I said this months ago. Sen. Clinton just echoes John Kerry in her version of her position on the Iraq War. Certainly 2008 is not 2004 and the votes on the war won’t loom as large. But this sort of mythology just won’t pass the smell test.
Sen. Obama and Hillary have identical voting records on the Iraq war.
That may be true if you pretend that 2003 never happened. Sen. Clinton voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq. She’s been good on providing support to the troops, providing body armor and even on redeployment from the region.
But she voted to authorize the use of force (Aka The Iraq War). And Sen. Obama opposed it as he ran for his seat. That’s a fact.
Well this is typical political nonsense. It’s ‘accurate’ because they specifically say that Clinton and Obama have the same “voting records” on Iraq. Her vote for authorization doesn’t count in the comparison because Obama wasn’t in office to vote on the authorization.
You forget Oliver, Bush lied about that resolution. So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.
Bush assured them he needed the resolution to force Hussein into compliance, he got it, Hussein was in compliance, inspectors were on the ground proving that the US intelligence was crap, and Bush invaded anyway.
I can’t guess how Obama would have voted on that resolution, because the on the surface it was forcing compliance and inspections, not an illegal war that has proven to be a huge mistake.
The more relevant point on this issue in my opinion is – has Obama’s voting record on Iraq funding or other matters pertaining to Iraq, while he has been in the U.S. Senate, any different than Clinton’s? Neither has shown any leadership in opposing the war while in the U.S. Senate. Opposing the war while running for a state office and where your opinion doesn’t really matter is one thing, doing something when you have the voting power to do something (and face potential political consequences) is quite another.
So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.
I was smart enough not to believe him. So was Al Gore. So were many of you. She and the other Democratic senators knew better. If someone robs a bank and you drive the getaway car you aren’t uninvolved in the crime.
Yepper. You hit the nail on the head on that one Oliver.
So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.
The, “I WAS DUPED!” defense rears its ugly head again.
Jay: The, “I WAS DUPED!” defense rears its ugly head again.
Yes, exactly the point being made. Once again, Jay and Oliver on the same side.
So stop blaming Hillary for the war, blame her for believing the President of the United States.
O-Dub already mirrored my comment. I am UID# 207 out of over 100,000 DKos users, which means I signed up on day one, and I suspect that everyone who was then reading that site was aware that the president lied about everything. He would lie about which was his left hand, just to stay in practice. Dick Cheney will tell you that the sky is orange. Maybe it is, on his planet.
Anyone who didn’t know that the president is a serial liar after the 2000 election does not deserve to be president. By 2003 in the runup to war he was caught lying in the State of the Union address, and Colin Powell was caught trying to sell a ten year old student paper to the UN as current intelligence.
As I told my own senator’s staffer WRT her vote on the AUMF, it’s like Lucy and Charlie Brown and the football. How many times in a row does an adult with an important job, where mistakes kill people and cost billions of dollars, FALL FOR THE SAME TRICK? If mistakes kill people and cost so much, why wouldn’t you do your damn homework?
Obama on that vote:
“But, I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports,” Mr. Obama said. ”What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.”
Not exactly a staunch opposition there.