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		<title>By: Lettuce</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/01/01/silly-season-watch/#comment-58471</link>
		<dc:creator>Lettuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riffle:

You don&#039;t think I&#039;ve read what Mr. Obama said? I read it.

With Ralph Nader in the race, that&#039;s Ralph Nader, Mr. Gore nonetheless defeated BushCo. and, decidedly came up with more than 50% of the vote... Between the two major candidates.

I&#039;m looking for the way Obama appeals to those people, I don&#039;t see it and it&#039;s not what he said, either.

He&#039;s talking nonsense.

And his Social Security pose is just another rap.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riffle:</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve read what Mr. Obama said? I read it.</p>
<p>With Ralph Nader in the race, that&#8217;s Ralph Nader, Mr. Gore nonetheless defeated BushCo. and, decidedly came up with more than 50% of the vote&#8230; Between the two major candidates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking for the way Obama appeals to those people, I don&#8217;t see it and it&#8217;s not what he said, either.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s talking nonsense.</p>
<p>And his Social Security pose is just another rap.</p>
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		<title>By: durablend</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/01/01/silly-season-watch/#comment-58470</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but I think some of you are dreaming (Obama included) if you think the Democrats are ever going to pull off much more than a low-mid 50(%)s victory.  Just isn&#039;t going to happen in the environment we have (far right MSM, corporate funding, hate radio, etc)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I think some of you are dreaming (Obama included) if you think the Democrats are ever going to pull off much more than a low-mid 50(%)s victory.  Just isn&#8217;t going to happen in the environment we have (far right MSM, corporate funding, hate radio, etc)</p>
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		<title>By: skeeters</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/01/01/silly-season-watch/#comment-58469</link>
		<dc:creator>skeeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw Kos and the rest of the idiot side of the blogosphere.  They trashed Kerry, so who the hell are they crapping.

The Truth sucks, eh Kos.

Gore was a terrible candidate. Yeah, I get it, he got more votes.  But after the Clinton years, it should have been a cakewalk.

Hey, personally I loved Gore and Kerry, but personality was not their strong suit.  And John Edwards is a snore, you think he got any voters excited as a VP.  Nah.

So thank you, Oliver Willis for your fair and balanced coverage of Obama.  You raised issues, but also saw both sides.

Kos is a lying sack of crap.  Says he is undecided, BS.  He has Edwards campaign blog site on his blogroll twenty times to Obama&#039;s once.

Obama is my Senator and I worked locally on his Senate run and people couldn&#039;t wait to vote for him.  He is as liberal as any candidate out there, but how would I know, I only watch him, unlike the liars club, DailyKos.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw Kos and the rest of the idiot side of the blogosphere.  They trashed Kerry, so who the hell are they crapping.</p>
<p>The Truth sucks, eh Kos.</p>
<p>Gore was a terrible candidate. Yeah, I get it, he got more votes.  But after the Clinton years, it should have been a cakewalk.</p>
<p>Hey, personally I loved Gore and Kerry, but personality was not their strong suit.  And John Edwards is a snore, you think he got any voters excited as a VP.  Nah.</p>
<p>So thank you, Oliver Willis for your fair and balanced coverage of Obama.  You raised issues, but also saw both sides.</p>
<p>Kos is a lying sack of crap.  Says he is undecided, BS.  He has Edwards campaign blog site on his blogroll twenty times to Obama&#8217;s once.</p>
<p>Obama is my Senator and I worked locally on his Senate run and people couldn&#8217;t wait to vote for him.  He is as liberal as any candidate out there, but how would I know, I only watch him, unlike the liars club, DailyKos.</p>
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		<title>By: riffle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/01/01/silly-season-watch/#comment-58468</link>
		<dc:creator>riffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that should be FOUR elections that Repubs have  have gotten over fifty percent of the vote (Reagan 2  times, Bush Sr, Bush Jr in 2004) since the last Democrat got over fifty percent (Carter in 1976).

Four instead of three: it&#039;s even worse that I initially said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that should be FOUR elections that Repubs have  have gotten over fifty percent of the vote (Reagan 2  times, Bush Sr, Bush Jr in 2004) since the last Democrat got over fifty percent (Carter in 1976).</p>
<p>Four instead of three: it&#8217;s even worse that I initially said.</p>
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		<title>By: riffle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/01/01/silly-season-watch/#comment-58467</link>
		<dc:creator>riffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lettuce, read the Obama quote again-- he didn&#039;t say what you are implying. He was talking about &lt;b&gt;percentages of the vote&lt;/b&gt;, not &quot;winning.&quot;

Gore didn&#039;t garner fifty percent of the votes cast. He got more votes than Bush, but he only got about 48.4 % of the votes cast (Bush got about 47.9 %).  More than Bush, yes, but not a majority-- a plurality.

Sad fact: Who was the last Demcratic Candidate for President that got more than  50 percent of the vote?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1976&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jimmy Carter in 1976&lt;/a&gt;. Over 30 years ago.  &lt;b&gt;Over Thirty Years Ago&lt;/b&gt;!

Since then, Republicans have won 3 elections with more than 50 percent of the popular vote (Reagan twice, and Bush Sr.). Clinton&#039;s &quot;landslide&quot; in 1996 was the result of 49.2 % of the vote -- again, not a majority! In 1992, Clinton won with only 43 %, thanks to Perot.  I&#039;m glad Clinton won both elections, but he never won a majority of the votes cast.

I happen to think that, in a 2 party system, not getting a majority of the vote for over 30 years is a problem for Democrats.  Others may not find it a problem, but I do.

How we address it is a different matter, but stating that it&#039;s an important issue is not bashing Democrats. It&#039;s a fact.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lettuce, read the Obama quote again&#8211; he didn&#8217;t say what you are implying. He was talking about <b>percentages of the vote</b>, not &#8220;winning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gore didn&#8217;t garner fifty percent of the votes cast. He got more votes than Bush, but he only got about 48.4 % of the votes cast (Bush got about 47.9 %).  More than Bush, yes, but not a majority&#8211; a plurality.</p>
<p>Sad fact: Who was the last Demcratic Candidate for President that got more than  50 percent of the vote?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1976" rel="nofollow">Jimmy Carter in 1976</a>. Over 30 years ago.  <b>Over Thirty Years Ago</b>!</p>
<p>Since then, Republicans have won 3 elections with more than 50 percent of the popular vote (Reagan twice, and Bush Sr.). Clinton&#8217;s &#8220;landslide&#8221; in 1996 was the result of 49.2 % of the vote &#8212; again, not a majority! In 1992, Clinton won with only 43 %, thanks to Perot.  I&#8217;m glad Clinton won both elections, but he never won a majority of the votes cast.</p>
<p>I happen to think that, in a 2 party system, not getting a majority of the vote for over 30 years is a problem for Democrats.  Others may not find it a problem, but I do.</p>
<p>How we address it is a different matter, but stating that it&#8217;s an important issue is not bashing Democrats. It&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Lettuce</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/01/01/silly-season-watch/#comment-58466</link>
		<dc:creator>Lettuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, right.

What does Joe Trippi know?

It&#039;s not like Obama said that the last Democrat to win was Al Gore. He was entirely truthful, Al Gore merely won the election.

Sheesh, and people would listen to Joe?  C&#039;mon!  We can win on Repoublican issues,  Even if they don&#039;t have any.

Sheesh.  It&#039;s not like Obama wants to put Social Security away.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, right.</p>
<p>What does Joe Trippi know?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like Obama said that the last Democrat to win was Al Gore. He was entirely truthful, Al Gore merely won the election.</p>
<p>Sheesh, and people would listen to Joe?  C&#8217;mon!  We can win on Repoublican issues,  Even if they don&#8217;t have any.</p>
<p>Sheesh.  It&#8217;s not like Obama wants to put Social Security away.</p>
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		<title>By: riffle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, Oliver, I agree with you and I&#039;m so glad someone is looking at this rather than piling on. (I&#039;m disappointed that some big-name bloggers like Digby, Kos, and Atrios are pushing this bogus meme that Obama is &quot;running against Democrats&quot; or some such horsemanure.)

He wants to expand the number of people who will vote for Democrats to more than fifty-one percent (Even those bloggers who say &quot;Gore won!&quot; don&#039;t say &quot;Gore won a landslide&quot;... because he didn&#039;t.)

He&#039;s also making a perfectly valid point that a huge percentage of the populaion say they won&#039;t consider voting for Hillary.  Some of them may end up doing so but I&#039;m pretty sure that most people who say that indeed won&#039;t vote for her .. while they may end up voting for another Democrat.

I&#039;m pretty disgusted with the piling on by the big blogs about this quote. If you can&#039;t make a gloss on the true nature of the elctorate without being called essentially a traitor, then what do these people want?

Again, here&#039;s what Obama said, according to ABC &quot;I don&#039;t want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats. We&#039;ve done that in 2004 and 2000. 47 percent of the country on one side, 47 percent of the country on the other . . . We don&#039;t need another one of those elections.&quot;

There&#039;s no slam against Gore or Kerry in that.

I&#039;ve already seen the outrage machine crank up over this so I presume it&#039;s too late for the big bloggers to back down. But it&#039;s pretty pathetic of them to get all hot and bothered over that gloss of the real state of electoral politics.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, Oliver, I agree with you and I&#8217;m so glad someone is looking at this rather than piling on. (I&#8217;m disappointed that some big-name bloggers like Digby, Kos, and Atrios are pushing this bogus meme that Obama is &#8220;running against Democrats&#8221; or some such horsemanure.)</p>
<p>He wants to expand the number of people who will vote for Democrats to more than fifty-one percent (Even those bloggers who say &#8220;Gore won!&#8221; don&#8217;t say &#8220;Gore won a landslide&#8221;&#8230; because he didn&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>He&#8217;s also making a perfectly valid point that a huge percentage of the populaion say they won&#8217;t consider voting for Hillary.  Some of them may end up doing so but I&#8217;m pretty sure that most people who say that indeed won&#8217;t vote for her .. while they may end up voting for another Democrat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty disgusted with the piling on by the big blogs about this quote. If you can&#8217;t make a gloss on the true nature of the elctorate without being called essentially a traitor, then what do these people want?</p>
<p>Again, here&#8217;s what Obama said, according to ABC &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats. We&#8217;ve done that in 2004 and 2000. 47 percent of the country on one side, 47 percent of the country on the other . . . We don&#8217;t need another one of those elections.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no slam against Gore or Kerry in that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already seen the outrage machine crank up over this so I presume it&#8217;s too late for the big bloggers to back down. But it&#8217;s pretty pathetic of them to get all hot and bothered over that gloss of the real state of electoral politics.</p>
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