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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59166</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the democratic debate question ratings.

1.Talk don’t count, will you  act.  N
2.Kucinich better for America than Hillary/Obama.  DDD stupid question
3.Define “liberal”.  DDDDD
4.What republican could be your running mate?  RRRR
5.Slavery Reparations.  DDDD
6.Katrina, poverty response.  DDD
7.Obama/Clinton not black/feminine enough.  D
8.Gay Marriage.  DD
9.Gay Marriage/Religion.  DDDD
10.Darfur.  D
11.How can we pull out of Iraq.  RR
12.Why no end to Iraq War yet.  DDD
13.Gravel, Vietnam deaths in vain.  R
14.Women register for draft.  N
15.Hillary as woman dealing with Muslim states.  RRR
16.Meet with Syria, Iran, NKorea etc. N
17.When out of Iraq/ Memebers of family in military.  DDDDD/N
18.Favorite Teacher/why?  N
19.No child left behind.  DD
20.Your kids, Public or Private schools.  N.  Cooper injects bias. R
21.Sex education and you.  DDD
22.What about AL?  D, useless
23.Global warming.  DDD
24.Energy Reduction. DD
25.Nuclear Power? N
26.Standardized voting.  D
27.Would you work for minimum wage.  N
28. Social Security. R
29. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, raise taxes or cut benefits. RR
30.Taxes, College.  N
31.Raise taxes?  RRRRR
32. Healthc Care. N
33. Health care Plans undocumented workers. DD
34.Do we need a change of name in office?  D
35. liberty, in God we trust.&quot; R
36.Religion, Secular.  DD
37. Gun Control.  RR
38.What do you like/dislike about other candidate. N

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the democratic debate question ratings.</p>
<p>1.Talk don’t count, will you  act.  N<br />
2.Kucinich better for America than Hillary/Obama.  DDD stupid question<br />
3.Define “liberal”.  DDDDD<br />
4.What republican could be your running mate?  RRRR<br />
5.Slavery Reparations.  DDDD<br />
6.Katrina, poverty response.  DDD<br />
7.Obama/Clinton not black/feminine enough.  D<br />
8.Gay Marriage.  DD<br />
9.Gay Marriage/Religion.  DDDD<br />
10.Darfur.  D<br />
11.How can we pull out of Iraq.  RR<br />
12.Why no end to Iraq War yet.  DDD<br />
13.Gravel, Vietnam deaths in vain.  R<br />
14.Women register for draft.  N<br />
15.Hillary as woman dealing with Muslim states.  RRR<br />
16.Meet with Syria, Iran, NKorea etc. N<br />
17.When out of Iraq/ Memebers of family in military.  DDDDD/N<br />
18.Favorite Teacher/why?  N<br />
19.No child left behind.  DD<br />
20.Your kids, Public or Private schools.  N.  Cooper injects bias. R<br />
21.Sex education and you.  DDD<br />
22.What about AL?  D, useless<br />
23.Global warming.  DDD<br />
24.Energy Reduction. DD<br />
25.Nuclear Power? N<br />
26.Standardized voting.  D<br />
27.Would you work for minimum wage.  N<br />
28. Social Security. R<br />
29. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, raise taxes or cut benefits. RR<br />
30.Taxes, College.  N<br />
31.Raise taxes?  RRRRR<br />
32. Healthc Care. N<br />
33. Health care Plans undocumented workers. DD<br />
34.Do we need a change of name in office?  D<br />
35. liberty, in God we trust.&#8221; R<br />
36.Religion, Secular.  DD<br />
37. Gun Control.  RR<br />
38.What do you like/dislike about other candidate. N</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59165</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good reasoning. I bow to your well thought out labeling.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good reasoning. I bow to your well thought out labeling.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59164</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave it a weak D rating based on the phrasing of the question, particularly: &quot;I&#039;d like to ask all the candidates if they accept the support of the Log Cabin Republicans...&quot;.  To me that places a negative connotation to the question, gays don&#039;t feel welcome in the republican party, would you accept them?&#039;.  Much like the infamous Kerr question, only the negative phrasing of the question merits the two DDs, it is actually a neutral issue. I mean it&#039;s just my take on the questions.  For instance, I ranked the Vice Presidential power question as neutral.  Considering it relates directly to Bush/Cheney, it could easily go RR or RRR, but I felt the phrasing was neutral and could easily have been asked in the Democratic debate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave it a weak D rating based on the phrasing of the question, particularly: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to ask all the candidates if they accept the support of the Log Cabin Republicans&#8230;&#8221;.  To me that places a negative connotation to the question, gays don&#8217;t feel welcome in the republican party, would you accept them?&#8217;.  Much like the infamous Kerr question, only the negative phrasing of the question merits the two DDs, it is actually a neutral issue. I mean it&#8217;s just my take on the questions.  For instance, I ranked the Vice Presidential power question as neutral.  Considering it relates directly to Bush/Cheney, it could easily go RR or RRR, but I felt the phrasing was neutral and could easily have been asked in the Democratic debate.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59163</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;25. Log Cabin Republicans. D&quot;

Log Cabin Republicans is a Democratic issue?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;25. Log Cabin Republicans. D&#8221;</p>
<p>Log Cabin Republicans is a Democratic issue?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59162</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Tea: &quot;Strowbridge, you really are a pottymouth. Have you thought about having that checked into? I hear there&#039;s a pill that does something about that. Or maybe it was a bar of soap.&quot;

Jay Tea, you really are a prude. Have you thought about fucking off?

&quot;I said &quot;readily-identifiable.&quot; Because if they were half as readily identifiable as the plants CNN used, they would have been identified by now.&quot;

Unless no one has bothered to check. And you&#039;ve admitted you didn&#039;t bother to check.

You can&#039;t claim bias without checking both sides.

&quot;Plus, it&#039;ll keep the story fresh for a bit longer.&quot;

Was this ever a real story?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Tea: &#8220;Strowbridge, you really are a pottymouth. Have you thought about having that checked into? I hear there&#8217;s a pill that does something about that. Or maybe it was a bar of soap.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay Tea, you really are a prude. Have you thought about fucking off?</p>
<p>&#8220;I said &#8220;readily-identifiable.&#8221; Because if they were half as readily identifiable as the plants CNN used, they would have been identified by now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless no one has bothered to check. And you&#8217;ve admitted you didn&#8217;t bother to check.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t claim bias without checking both sides.</p>
<p>&#8220;Plus, it&#8217;ll keep the story fresh for a bit longer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was this ever a real story?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59161</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spin it.  You still haven&#039;t addressed any problem with the substance of the questions.  Only that one guy who identifies himself as a log cabin Republican lent his name (rank in particular) to a panel on Gay and Lesbian issues for a democratic candidate.   You have yet to raise any objection to his actual question, it certainly gave the candidates an opportunity to flash their anti-gay credentials (except Romney who had trouble running away from his earlier pro-gay position).

You admit you are just bitching without facts.  Why do you even bother to comment.  Here is the gist of the republican debate questions with my take on how Republican (R-RRRRR) neutral (n) or Democratic (D-DDDDDD).

1. Rudy G&#039;s sanctuary city for illegal immigrants. RRRR
2. Veto amnesty legislation? RRRRR
3. Guest Worker Programs.  RR
4.Immigrant&#039;s Tuition. RRRR
5. Some Ron Paul conspiracy thing. RR
6. National Debt and spending control. N
7. &quot;Fair Tax&quot;.  RRRRR
8. What 3 programs to cut ... RRRR
9. Farm subsidies to big business. N
10. Safe toys from CHina.  D
11. Gun Control RRRR
12. Gun Control RRRR
13. Your gun collection RRRR
14. Black on Black crime. DDDDD
15. Criminal Penalties if abortion were illegal. RR
16. Sign legislation overturning RvW.  RRRRR
17. Death Penalty, WWJD?  R
18. Bible- literal truth? RRRR
19. Repairing image of America Muslim World. DDDD
20. McCain as most expert on Waterboarding. R
21. Long term Occupation of Iraq. RRRRR
22. Rudy 9-11, 9-11, 9-11.  R
23. Vice President&#039;s Power. N
24. Gays in military. DD
25. Log Cabin Republicans. D
26. Defecit, Trust fund. R
27. Mars, Bithches! DD
28. Conservative Black Issues.  RRRR
29. Infrastructure, N
30. Ron Paul Independent?  D
31. Guiliani Red Sox fan?  Worthless

That&#039;s alot of bias, huh?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spin it.  You still haven&#8217;t addressed any problem with the substance of the questions.  Only that one guy who identifies himself as a log cabin Republican lent his name (rank in particular) to a panel on Gay and Lesbian issues for a democratic candidate.   You have yet to raise any objection to his actual question, it certainly gave the candidates an opportunity to flash their anti-gay credentials (except Romney who had trouble running away from his earlier pro-gay position).</p>
<p>You admit you are just bitching without facts.  Why do you even bother to comment.  Here is the gist of the republican debate questions with my take on how Republican (R-RRRRR) neutral (n) or Democratic (D-DDDDDD).</p>
<p>1. Rudy G&#8217;s sanctuary city for illegal immigrants. RRRR<br />
2. Veto amnesty legislation? RRRRR<br />
3. Guest Worker Programs.  RR<br />
4.Immigrant&#8217;s Tuition. RRRR<br />
5. Some Ron Paul conspiracy thing. RR<br />
6. National Debt and spending control. N<br />
7. &#8220;Fair Tax&#8221;.  RRRRR<br />
8. What 3 programs to cut &#8230; RRRR<br />
9. Farm subsidies to big business. N<br />
10. Safe toys from CHina.  D<br />
11. Gun Control RRRR<br />
12. Gun Control RRRR<br />
13. Your gun collection RRRR<br />
14. Black on Black crime. DDDDD<br />
15. Criminal Penalties if abortion were illegal. RR<br />
16. Sign legislation overturning RvW.  RRRRR<br />
17. Death Penalty, WWJD?  R<br />
18. Bible- literal truth? RRRR<br />
19. Repairing image of America Muslim World. DDDD<br />
20. McCain as most expert on Waterboarding. R<br />
21. Long term Occupation of Iraq. RRRRR<br />
22. Rudy 9-11, 9-11, 9-11.  R<br />
23. Vice President&#8217;s Power. N<br />
24. Gays in military. DD<br />
25. Log Cabin Republicans. D<br />
26. Defecit, Trust fund. R<br />
27. Mars, Bithches! DD<br />
28. Conservative Black Issues.  RRRR<br />
29. Infrastructure, N<br />
30. Ron Paul Independent?  D<br />
31. Guiliani Red Sox fan?  Worthless</p>
<p>That&#8217;s alot of bias, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59160</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strowbridge, you really are a pottymouth. Have you thought about having that checked into? I hear there&#039;s a pill that does something about that. Or maybe it was a bar of soap.

I said &quot;readily-identifiable.&quot; Because if they were half as readily identifiable as the plants CNN used, they would have been identified by now. Say, by Googling their name. Or clicking on their YouTube profile and seeing them in a Mitt Romney T-Shirt. Or finding out that they have a blog at Huckabee&#039;s site.

For the record, though, I didn&#039;t do any research on the questioners on the GOP side, either. I just saw what others reported, and confirmed it for myself.

As I said, it wasn&#039;t the deed itself that was so bad. It was the denial and the double standard.

In fact, I&#039;m thinking of writing more about the whole thing over at Wizbang, taking a good look at the actual questions. As I said, they were good questions, and I think there could be some decent discussions about them.

Plus, it&#039;ll keep the story fresh for a bit longer.

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strowbridge, you really are a pottymouth. Have you thought about having that checked into? I hear there&#8217;s a pill that does something about that. Or maybe it was a bar of soap.</p>
<p>I said &#8220;readily-identifiable.&#8221; Because if they were half as readily identifiable as the plants CNN used, they would have been identified by now. Say, by Googling their name. Or clicking on their YouTube profile and seeing them in a Mitt Romney T-Shirt. Or finding out that they have a blog at Huckabee&#8217;s site.</p>
<p>For the record, though, I didn&#8217;t do any research on the questioners on the GOP side, either. I just saw what others reported, and confirmed it for myself.</p>
<p>As I said, it wasn&#8217;t the deed itself that was so bad. It was the denial and the double standard.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;m thinking of writing more about the whole thing over at Wizbang, taking a good look at the actual questions. As I said, they were good questions, and I think there could be some decent discussions about them.</p>
<p>Plus, it&#8217;ll keep the story fresh for a bit longer.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59159</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But their CNN-screened questions were not stuffed with readily-identifiable activists and supporters of the other party.&quot;

You have no evidence to make this claim. It is a fucking lie.

Do you think if you repeat it enough, we will assume you have done your research and let it slide?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But their CNN-screened questions were not stuffed with readily-identifiable activists and supporters of the other party.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have no evidence to make this claim. It is a fucking lie.</p>
<p>Do you think if you repeat it enough, we will assume you have done your research and let it slide?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SpiderJ, you&#039;re quite right about the &quot;Secret Moooslim&quot; crap against Obama. I&#039;ve said as much on several occasions. And those who are pushing the story are contemptible, as well as incredibly stupid.

Such as CNN.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019011.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019011.php&lt;/a&gt;

And yes, the Democrats faced a YouTube/CNN debate. But their CNN-screened questions were not stuffed with readily-identifiable activists and supporters of the other party. And only one questioner was brought in to repeat and expound upon their point, then critique the answers.

And that one questioner was an advisor to both Hillary Clinton&#039;s campaign and John Kerry&#039;s.

As I said, seven of the eight CNN-planted questions were pretty good. A couple were great. It&#039;s just a shame that CNN didn&#039;t apply the same standards to both debates. I&#039;d have enjoyed seeing some of the Democrats handle some hardballs from some right-wingers, questions such as &quot;can you explain the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one, and how would you encourage more legal immigration and less illegal immigration if you reduce or eliminate the legal penalties for it?&quot; or &quot;How do you reconcile your opposition for the death penalty in all cases, yet support the right of a mother to destroy her fetus?&quot; (As someone who&#039;s both pro-choice and pro-capital punishment, I think I&#039;d enjoy seeing the candidates squirm on that one anyway.)

As I said, CNN&#039;s basic idea here is interesting -- when one party holds a debate, bring in a few people from the opposition party to toss some bombs to shake things up.

The problems with CNN were in the execution. They didn&#039;t own up (and still haven&#039;t owned up) to doing it, and they only did it to one side.

But I know the mantra around these parts: IOKIYAR -- It&#039;s OK If You&#039;re Attacking Republicans.

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpiderJ, you&#8217;re quite right about the &#8220;Secret Moooslim&#8221; crap against Obama. I&#8217;ve said as much on several occasions. And those who are pushing the story are contemptible, as well as incredibly stupid.</p>
<p>Such as CNN.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019011.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019011.php</a></p>
<p>And yes, the Democrats faced a YouTube/CNN debate. But their CNN-screened questions were not stuffed with readily-identifiable activists and supporters of the other party. And only one questioner was brought in to repeat and expound upon their point, then critique the answers.</p>
<p>And that one questioner was an advisor to both Hillary Clinton&#8217;s campaign and John Kerry&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As I said, seven of the eight CNN-planted questions were pretty good. A couple were great. It&#8217;s just a shame that CNN didn&#8217;t apply the same standards to both debates. I&#8217;d have enjoyed seeing some of the Democrats handle some hardballs from some right-wingers, questions such as &#8220;can you explain the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one, and how would you encourage more legal immigration and less illegal immigration if you reduce or eliminate the legal penalties for it?&#8221; or &#8220;How do you reconcile your opposition for the death penalty in all cases, yet support the right of a mother to destroy her fetus?&#8221; (As someone who&#8217;s both pro-choice and pro-capital punishment, I think I&#8217;d enjoy seeing the candidates squirm on that one anyway.)</p>
<p>As I said, CNN&#8217;s basic idea here is interesting &#8212; when one party holds a debate, bring in a few people from the opposition party to toss some bombs to shake things up.</p>
<p>The problems with CNN were in the execution. They didn&#8217;t own up (and still haven&#8217;t owned up) to doing it, and they only did it to one side.</p>
<p>But I know the mantra around these parts: IOKIYAR &#8212; It&#8217;s OK If You&#8217;re Attacking Republicans.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59157</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Tea is obviously and deliberately mistaken, the Dems faced the exact situation the Republicans did and didn&#039;t whine about it.  They faced the same format, with the same style questions exploring different aspects of issues that matter to primary voters.  That is the comparison, not the Fox debate that didn&#039;t happen.

If you want to compare the Fox debate the democrats skipped, a better comparison is to the minority sponsored debates the Republican candidates skipped.  The democrats didn&#039;t want the Republican talking point biased questions and the Republicans didn&#039;t want to address minority issues.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Tea is obviously and deliberately mistaken, the Dems faced the exact situation the Republicans did and didn&#8217;t whine about it.  They faced the same format, with the same style questions exploring different aspects of issues that matter to primary voters.  That is the comparison, not the Fox debate that didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>If you want to compare the Fox debate the democrats skipped, a better comparison is to the minority sponsored debates the Republican candidates skipped.  The democrats didn&#8217;t want the Republican talking point biased questions and the Republicans didn&#8217;t want to address minority issues.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59156</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can&#039;t face Fox News, but they&#039;re ready to face world leaders and groups and nations that have our worst interests at heart? Yeah, I can buy that.&quot;

So your contention in the pissing contest here is that Democrats refused to acknowledge a network that routinely reports bald-faced lies about them (somebody please, please try to defend the &quot;Obama is a SEEEECRET MOOOSLIM&quot; story), while Republicans are oh so braver because they dared face a hostile environment...and then devolved into whining three year-olds about what a hostile environment it was.

Okay, I&#039;m sold too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can&#8217;t face Fox News, but they&#8217;re ready to face world leaders and groups and nations that have our worst interests at heart? Yeah, I can buy that.&#8221;</p>
<p>So your contention in the pissing contest here is that Democrats refused to acknowledge a network that routinely reports bald-faced lies about them (somebody please, please try to defend the &#8220;Obama is a SEEEECRET MOOOSLIM&#8221; story), while Republicans are oh so braver because they dared face a hostile environment&#8230;and then devolved into whining three year-olds about what a hostile environment it was.</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m sold too.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59155</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;CNN didn&#039;t make sure a full quarter of the questioners were activists from the opposing parties.&quot;

More fucking lies.

You don&#039;t know how many Republicans ask questions at the YouTube debate, or even submitted questions, you can not make this claim.

You are a fucking liar.

&quot;My point in bringing up Fox was...&quot;

It doesn&#039;t fucking matter what your point was. YOU were the one who brought them up, then YOU started complaining that we were talking about them.

&quot;Can&#039;t face Fox News, but they&#039;re ready to face world leaders and groups and nations that have our worst interests at heart? Yeah, I can buy that.&quot;

Nice right-wing talking point. Another reason why you are sub-human. Too stupid to think for yourself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;CNN didn&#8217;t make sure a full quarter of the questioners were activists from the opposing parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>More fucking lies.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know how many Republicans ask questions at the YouTube debate, or even submitted questions, you can not make this claim.</p>
<p>You are a fucking liar.</p>
<p>&#8220;My point in bringing up Fox was&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t fucking matter what your point was. YOU were the one who brought them up, then YOU started complaining that we were talking about them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Can&#8217;t face Fox News, but they&#8217;re ready to face world leaders and groups and nations that have our worst interests at heart? Yeah, I can buy that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice right-wing talking point. Another reason why you are sub-human. Too stupid to think for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59154</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Spider, some of the Republicans were a little flustered when they were sandbagged by CNN. How did the Democrats handle facing a similar situation?

Oh, yeah, they didn&#039;t face a similar situation. CNN didn&#039;t make sure a full quarter of the questioners were activists from the opposing parties.

My point in bringing up Fox was to point out that Fox might have done the same. Or might not. We won&#039;t know; the Democrats ran whining at the mere thought of the big, scary network.

Can&#039;t face Fox News, but they&#039;re ready to face world leaders and groups and nations that have our worst interests at heart? Yeah, I can buy that.

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Spider, some of the Republicans were a little flustered when they were sandbagged by CNN. How did the Democrats handle facing a similar situation?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, they didn&#8217;t face a similar situation. CNN didn&#8217;t make sure a full quarter of the questioners were activists from the opposing parties.</p>
<p>My point in bringing up Fox was to point out that Fox might have done the same. Or might not. We won&#8217;t know; the Democrats ran whining at the mere thought of the big, scary network.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t face Fox News, but they&#8217;re ready to face world leaders and groups and nations that have our worst interests at heart? Yeah, I can buy that.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59153</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, no. Then why did CNN have to turn to Democratic plants to ask these questions? Hmm.&quot;

Perhaps not enough Republicans sent in questions.

One of the national Republican committees held a contest asking for commercials, which when they be voted on and the winner could get theirs used on TV.

They got five submissions.

FIVE.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Again, no. Then why did CNN have to turn to Democratic plants to ask these questions? Hmm.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps not enough Republicans sent in questions.</p>
<p>One of the national Republican committees held a contest asking for commercials, which when they be voted on and the winner could get theirs used on TV.</p>
<p>They got five submissions.</p>
<p>FIVE.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59152</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No, the point is STILL that Republicans are so flustered by reasonable questions that their best response is to attack the purveyors of those questions for being &quot;biased&quot; against them.&quot;

Again, no. Then why did CNN have to turn to Democratic plants to ask these questions? Hmm.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, the point is STILL that Republicans are so flustered by reasonable questions that their best response is to attack the purveyors of those questions for being &#8220;biased&#8221; against them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, no. Then why did CNN have to turn to Democratic plants to ask these questions? Hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59151</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the point is STILL that Republicans are so flustered by reasonable questions that their best response is to attack the purveyors of those questions for being &quot;biased&quot; against them.

The question could have been randomly typed by a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters, and the Republicans would be frothing at the mouth trying to prove that monkeys are a species with a liberal bias. (&quot;That must be why the monkeys keep trying to tell us we evolved from them! Don&#039;t you see? It all fits!&quot;)

Anybody here care to answer the substance of the questions, or would they just care to whine about who asked them?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the point is STILL that Republicans are so flustered by reasonable questions that their best response is to attack the purveyors of those questions for being &#8220;biased&#8221; against them.</p>
<p>The question could have been randomly typed by a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters, and the Republicans would be frothing at the mouth trying to prove that monkeys are a species with a liberal bias. (&#8221;That must be why the monkeys keep trying to tell us we evolved from them! Don&#8217;t you see? It all fits!&#8221;)</p>
<p>Anybody here care to answer the substance of the questions, or would they just care to whine about who asked them?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59150</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midderpidge says ...

&quot;So the debate is about how pro-democrat CNN is vs. how pro-Republican Fox news is?&quot;

They don&#039;t call it Clinton News Network for nothing.

&quot;CNN varies in its bias depending on the time of day. FOx is constant.&quot;

Even if this were true ... it&#039;s okay for CNN to be biased sometimes? LOL.

&quot;Remember this is the network that named congressional page scandal poster boy, Rep Foley as a democrat.&quot;

Um, CNN accidentally labeled Michael Steele a Democrat. That&#039;s not racist or anything. (image: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/02/cnn-mis-labels-michael-steele-as-a-democrat/)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/02/cnn-mis-labels-michael-steele-as-a-democrat/)&lt;/a&gt;


&quot;Get real. Apparently the Republican debate was a failure and you guys are looking for excuses.&quot;

Most watched debate thus far.

&quot;No one has expressed a problem with the actual questions, don&#039;t blame the questioner if the response leaves you wanting.&quot;

That&#039;s not the point. The point is Democrat plants asked Republicans questions. I don&#039;t recall any Republican plants asking Democrats any  questions at their debate.


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<p>&#8220;So the debate is about how pro-democrat CNN is vs. how pro-Republican Fox news is?&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t call it Clinton News Network for nothing.</p>
<p>&#8220;CNN varies in its bias depending on the time of day. FOx is constant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even if this were true &#8230; it&#8217;s okay for CNN to be biased sometimes? LOL.</p>
<p>&#8220;Remember this is the network that named congressional page scandal poster boy, Rep Foley as a democrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, CNN accidentally labeled Michael Steele a Democrat. That&#8217;s not racist or anything. (image: <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/02/cnn-mis-labels-michael-steele-as-a-democrat/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/02/cnn-mis-labels-michael-steele-as-a-democrat/)</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Get real. Apparently the Republican debate was a failure and you guys are looking for excuses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most watched debate thus far.</p>
<p>&#8220;No one has expressed a problem with the actual questions, don&#8217;t blame the questioner if the response leaves you wanting.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the point. The point is Democrat plants asked Republicans questions. I don&#8217;t recall any Republican plants asking Democrats any  questions at their debate.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59149</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Republicans expect bias and sandbagging from CNN, show up anyway and take it.&quot;

This is a fucking lie. You have shown no evidence that CNN treated the Republicans and differently than they did the Democrats.

&quot;Nope, z. In fact, I never said that the Democrats were behind the CNN sandbagging, just CNN.&quot;

And you still haven&#039;t proven that claim, sub-human.

&quot;Funny, I thought the discussion was on CNN&#039;s latest example of journalistic malpractice. You wanna stand around in your circle-jerk about how mean and nasty Fox News is, feel free. CNN has an actual body count -- starting with all those Iraqis.&quot;

Hey asshole, YOU brought up FOX. Are you that fucking stupid that you forgot?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Republicans expect bias and sandbagging from CNN, show up anyway and take it.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a fucking lie. You have shown no evidence that CNN treated the Republicans and differently than they did the Democrats.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nope, z. In fact, I never said that the Democrats were behind the CNN sandbagging, just CNN.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you still haven&#8217;t proven that claim, sub-human.</p>
<p>&#8220;Funny, I thought the discussion was on CNN&#8217;s latest example of journalistic malpractice. You wanna stand around in your circle-jerk about how mean and nasty Fox News is, feel free. CNN has an actual body count &#8212; starting with all those Iraqis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey asshole, YOU brought up FOX. Are you that fucking stupid that you forgot?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59148</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Eason Jordan not reporting certain stories so that his sources and personnel would not be subject to retaliation by Iraqi secret police makes him and CNN somehow responsible for those deaths that they had nothing to do with?  OK.

Incidently, did a verified transcript, audio or video record of him accusing the US of targeting journalists ever come out?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Eason Jordan not reporting certain stories so that his sources and personnel would not be subject to retaliation by Iraqi secret police makes him and CNN somehow responsible for those deaths that they had nothing to do with?  OK.</p>
<p>Incidently, did a verified transcript, audio or video record of him accusing the US of targeting journalists ever come out?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/12/01/democratic-plants/#comment-59147</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I thought the discussion was on CNN&#039;s latest  example of journalistic malpractice. You wanna stand around in your circle-jerk about how mean and nasty Fox News is, feel free. CNN has an actual body count -- starting with all those Iraqis.

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I thought the discussion was on CNN&#8217;s latest  example of journalistic malpractice. You wanna stand around in your circle-jerk about how mean and nasty Fox News is, feel free. CNN has an actual body count &#8212; starting with all those Iraqis.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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