I feel bad for the honest people working there, but this is what should happen when you produce a product that can kill people.
Topps Meat Co LLC announced on Friday it was going out of business, crushed by the recall of 21.7 million pounds of beef linked to 30 cases of E. coli-related illness.
“In one week we have gone from the largest U.S. manufacturer of frozen hamburgers to a company that cannot overcome the economic reality of a recall this large,” Anthony D’Urso, chief operating officer, said in a statement.
There’s been too much of this lately, violations of public security, either in tainted dog food, bad meat, bad vegetables or poisonous toys. At the turn of the century we instituted reforms to curtail this behavior then we’ve let corporate powers get the leg up on the average American consumer.
Companies that produce harmful, defective products should be criminally prosecuted and if they continue their behavior they should go out of business.
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Jeez dude. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
but this is what should happen when you produce a product that can kill people.
They didn’t produce a product. The meat was purchased from slaughterhouses, ground up and formed into patties that were then frozen.
There’s been too much of this lately, violations of public security, either in tainted dog food, bad meat, bad vegetables or poisonous toys.
E.coli is not “bad meat” (nor “bad vegetables”) It’s a bacteria that exists inside the intestines of cows and sometimes gets into the meat that is produced.
At the turn of the century we instituted reforms to curtail this behavior then we’ve let corporate powers get the leg up on the average American consumer.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this was a case of corporate malfeasance on the part of Topps Meat.
Companies that produce harmful, defective products should be criminally prosecuted and if they continue their behavior they should go out of business.
Once again, it is not a harmful nor defective product and they are not ‘producing’ anything. They’re simply grinding the meat and selling it in frozen patty form. There is nothing that says this company did anything different than they have been doing since they were in business. You’re celebrating a company going out of business based upon circumstances beyond their control.
Getting sick from e.coli that’s found in ground beef can easily be avoided if its cooked to the correct temperature.
“Jeez dude. You have no idea what you’re talking about.”
You need to say that a hundred times while looking into a mirror.
“They didn’t produce a product.”
You have to be fucking kidding me. This is bullshit beyond even your normal standards. GM doesn’t produce cars, they just turn raw materials into final products.
Fucking retard.
“E.coli is not “bad meat” (nor “bad vegetables”) It’s a bacteria that exists inside the intestines of cows and sometimes gets into the meat that is produced.”
Right, which is why you have safety standards in place to minimize the chances that happens, and you have testing to catch the raw lapses before they reach the marketplace.
“There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this was a case of corporate malfeasance on the part of Topps Meat.”
There’s supposed to be a system in place to prevent this from happening. Minor outbreaks are regrettable but unavoidable. They had such a major outbreak that it forced them into bankruptcy. Are you seriously telling me there’s nothing to investigate here?
“Once again, it is not a harmful nor defective product and they are not ‘producing’ anything.”
Fuck off, you moron.
“Getting sick from e.coli that’s found in ground beef can easily be avoided if its cooked to the correct temperature.”
And you are not supposed to crash your car, so there was no malfeasance by Ford when it came to the Pinto.
“It’s obvious this is a leftist witch hunt and now the good employees of Topps will suffer thanks to the libs!”
Right Jay?
GM doesn’t produce cars, they just turn raw materials into final products.
You are such a dumbass. It must be that colder Canadian air or something, eh? You’re comparing taking thousands of individual parts and making an automobile to grinding meat and making them into patties.
Right, which is why you have safety standards in place to minimize the chances that happens, and you have testing to catch the raw lapses before they reach the marketplace.
Explain how that is done Mr. Expert.
There’s supposed to be a system in place to prevent this from happening. Minor outbreaks are regrettable but unavoidable. They had such a major outbreak that it forced them into bankruptcy. Are you seriously telling me there’s nothing to investigate here?
Major outbreak? 30 cases? Tens of thousands of people a year are affected with e.coli you stooge.
Fuck off, you moron.
Fuck off yourself keyboard candyass (at least you admitted in an earlier comment that you’re a pussy and only talk tough guy shit online which is typical for your ilk).
And you are not supposed to crash your car, so there was no malfeasance by Ford when it came to the Pinto.
Actually Dumb-As-A-Stump, we’re talking about preventative measures. The poor design of the Pinto was not something that could be corrected by the consumer.
Twit.
The lack of corporate accountability that we’re supposed to accept as the price of doing business is past ridiculous now, Jay. There’s no oversight, and businesses are left to do as they please, which is often directly proportional to how much money they lobby with.
Clearly, Jay is not particularly familiar with the Food Safety and Inspection Services of the US Dept. of Agriculture. Nor is he familiar with the Federal Meat Inspection Act where there are clear definitions for things like “adulterated”, the legal definition for any meat product “if it bears or contains any poisonous or deleterious substance which may render it injurious to health.”
When Jay states “Once again, it is not a harmful nor defective product and they are not ‘producing’ anything…” he doesn’t get the fact that there are real US laws that prohibit a meat product manufacturer from selling anything adulterated with E. coli.
I will give him one thing, if you do cook beef to the proper temperature, you will kill off the E. coli.
Not a product…too funny. So toilet paper isn’t a product, just modified wood.
The meat industry has a history of being virulently anti-regulation, particularly where consumer safety is concerned. Just look at how vigorously they fight to block proper inspection protocols to prevent Mad Cow. Topps could have avoided this whole debacle by enforcing a rigorous inspection routine (not to mention better processing protocols, like removing the intestines first) for all meat leaving their plant(s). Instead, they went the predictable route and shaved a few cents off the cost of doing business in the belief that nothing serious would go wrong. Now they have what is probably a fairly small amount of contaminated meat out of millions of pounds but no way to know which meat is tainted and which is not, hence the huge recall. If this were no big deal then the company wouldn’t be in the bind it’s in.
And Jay, what if a cook handles the contaminated meat and gets the e. coli on their hands/clothing? What if they then handle other food (say, oh, spinach)/shake hands/perform oral surgery/whatever? Just heat up those hands to, what, 160 degrees? No more steak tartar? And it’s 30 known cases. We don’t know how many actually got ill but never went to the hospital or how many more are waiting in the wings.
Jay just doesn’t realize that his hero Herr Bush hasn’t gotten around to completely gutting and abolishing the USDA and all those other anti-capitalist regulating scumbag agencies.
E.coli is not “bad meat” (nor “bad vegetables”) It’s a bacteria that exists inside the intestines of cows and sometimes gets into the meat that is produced.
So let me see if I understand. The meat in the frozen patty is just fine. It’s the bacteria on the meat that’s the problem?
That is some olympic-class hair-splitting right there, Jay.
“You are such a dumbass.”
Again, repeat that a hundred time in front of the mirror every day.
“You’re comparing taking thousands of individual parts and making an automobile to grinding meat and making them into patties.”
They are both products that the companies produce.
“Explain how that is done Mr. Expert.”
They take samples of the end product and test the levels of E. Coli. If you need me to explain how that’s done I can, but in short, it involved petri dishes.
“Major outbreak? 30 cases? Tens of thousands of people a year are affected with e.coli you stooge.”
More than 20 million pounds in meat had to be recalled. That’s 10,000 tons. That’s major.
“Fuck off yourself keyboard candyass ”
Like your such a fucking tough guy.
“Actually Dumb-As-A-Stump”
You are projecting again.
“we’re talking about preventative measures.”
No, we are talking about food safety standards. You are trying to defend corporations who sell unsafe products.
Oh, and congratulations in getting your ass kicked in yet another debate.
E.coli is not “bad meat” (nor “bad vegetables”) It’s a bacteria that exists inside the intestines of cows and sometimes gets into the meat that is produced…You’re celebrating a company going out of business based upon circumstances beyond their control.
That’s freakin’ brilliant.
Jay has come up with a simple concept that revolutionize tort defense.
“It wasn’t my unsafe building that caused the orphans to die, it was the blazing fire that went racing through it.”
“It wasn’t my drunkenness that caused the collision, it was Newton’s law!”
“It wasn’t my botched surgery that caused the patient to die, it was the defective lap sponge I left inside his lung that made it happen.”
Uh, no durablend. The fact that Topps has to close its doors is of no consequence to me and its unfortunate that this happened.
However, the accusation here is that Topps acted recklessly or worse, was negligent and knew they were selling meat affected with e.coli bacteria.
CS in his infinite stupidity claim Topps should have been testing, but the fact of the matter is, such testing is performed before it reaches a company like Topps.
Quaker, give me a break with your idiotic examples.
Is the builder to blame when somebody purposely starts a fire in the building? Your logic dictates that the designers of the WTC are to blame for the towers collapsing, not the terrorists who crashed planes into them.
Now, I’ll await how Topps is to blame for the e.coli when the testing is done before they get the meat? Anyone?
Or is there going to be more asinine anecdotes?
I’ll try to explain this again for Jay, who can’t comprehend that there are laws governing the manufacture of meat products.
Despite the fact that the meat is tested at the abbatoir, Topps had a legal obligation to insure that the products they sold were not adulterated.
I will again refer you to the USDA regulations under the Federal Meat Inspection Act.
If you’re incapable of understanding this, you should take a long hard read of the FSIS website.
See http://www.fsis.usda.gov for more details.
If you’d like to first take a look at their regulations before talking about subject that you apparently know little about, see their regs page at http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Regulations_&_Policies/index.asp.
Would it kill you to actually do some research before you talk nonsense?
They didn’t produce a product. The meat was purchased from slaughterhouses, ground up and formed into patties that were then frozen.
And Camel doesn’t produce cigarettes, it just grinds the tobacco and wraps it in paper. No accountability necessary.
Is the builder to blame when somebody purposely starts a fire in the building?
That’s quite a tortured analogy, but that’s okay because conservatives support torture.
A builder IS to blame if he uses faulty materials without adequate inspecting them, and then the house collapses. Topps may have gotten shoddy raw materials, but they are tasked with the responsibility of making sure the contamination doesn’t get into their product and then passed onto to consumers.
Seriously, is there NO corporate irresponsibility that these right-wingers WON’T defend?
Is Jay a paid shill? Occam’s Razor says yes. What is the next most plausible explanation for his postition here?
“….at least you admitted in an earlier comment that you’re a pussy and only talk tough guy shit online which is typical for your ilk …”
Types a guy from the safety of his mom’s basement …
Well, if Topps isn’t responsible for testing the meat they sell, then they can’t be held liable for the e. coli outbreak, right? Problem solved, Topps can stay in business! Well, that was easy.
Topps is responsible for whatever they sell. That means testing any meat they receive from their distributors to ensure they aren’t cranking out contaminated goods. For whatever reason, they gave insufficient attention to the issue of inspection and testing and left the door open to events like what we see now. That doesn’t mean they “knew” they were selling dangerous goods to consumers, just that they were probably negligent.
Jay: “CS in his infinite stupidity claim Topps should have been testing, but the fact of the matter is, such testing is performed before it reaches a company like Topps.”
Bacteria grow, you fucking piece of shit. If the meat isn’t properly treated in the plant, then E. Coli counts will rise from safe to dangerous levels from the time it comes into the plant till the time it leaves.
God damn it man, just shut the fuck up. It is clear you don’t know what you are talking about.
Could we please make it clear that each other are idiots without the profane name calling? Thanks.
“Your logic dictates that the designers of the WTC are to blame for the towers collapsing, not the terrorists who crashed planes into them.”
Guess what, fool: The designers ARE partly to blame. The Towers had a “revolutionary” design that eliminated most of the interior support columns, thus creating additional leaseable floor space. The floors were supported by exterior columns and the building core. This odd design, and the heat from burning jet fuel, hastened the Towers’ demise.
If the Towers had had traditional construction (interior columns), they may not have collapsed.
E.coli is not “bad meat” (nor “bad vegetables”) It’s a bacteria that exists inside the intestines of cows and sometimes gets into the meat that is produced.
This is true. It’s commonly called shit.
Can someone tell me how you mix shit with 21 MILLION POUND of ground beef and not notice?
Your logic dictates that the designers of the WTC are to blame for the towers collapsing, not the terrorists who crashed planes into them.
And not to derail the thread or anything, but the designers of the towers actually took this into account. The towers were designed to withstand an impact from a 727, one of the bigger planes of the time. They did not, and could not have been expected to, design them to withstand a fully loaded plane going at 400 mph.
the original poster lives in his mom’s basement and votes demoncrat.
Anyways, the simple fact is that food borne illnesses and what cause them are rather common… to have an outbreak is more than a couple of sick people in a couple of states…
As it is the federal government puts companies that had no bad intent out of business.
But people like YOU would gladly substitute for the government in doing so for a couple bucks.
Oh no… I ate a Topps burger that was on the raw side on labor day… Maybe more than one… I’m so worried, someone has to reimburse me for all my pain and suffering and low job perfomance due to not being able to sleep over those burgers I ate.
DIF loser.
the original poster lives in his mom’s basement and votes demoncrat.
Anyways, the simple fact is that food borne illnesses and what cause them are rather common… to have an outbreak is more than a couple of sick people in a couple of states…
As it is the federal government puts companies that had no bad intent out of business.
But people like YOU would gladly substitute for the government in doing so for a couple bucks.
Oh no… I ate a Topps burger that was on the raw side on labor day… Maybe more than one… I’m so worried, someone has to reimburse me for all my pain and suffering and low job perfomance due to not being able to sleep over those burgers I ate.
DIF loser.
Quaker, give me a break with your idiotic examples.
Uh, Jay? You do understand that those examples were idiotic on purpose? That’s because they parallel your claim that it’s not the meat that’s the problem, it’s the bacteria on the meat.
I can break it down for you a little more simply if you like.
“Anyways, the simple fact is that food borne illnesses and what cause them are rather common…”
Which is why you need vigorous testing to prevent / minimize the chances of such illnesses affecting the population. Not having access to safe food is an important part of the overall health of society.
“to have an outbreak is more than a couple of sick people in a couple of states…”
21 million pounds. More than 10,000 tons of meat needed to be recalled. This is not a common incident. This is not a minor problem blown out of proportion.
“As it is the federal government puts companies that had no bad intent out of business.”
Two points.
1.) They are out of business because they couldn’t afford the negative effects of such a massive recall. This had nothing to do with the federal government; it is the free market in action. This is what the Libertarians want, or at least this is what the Libertarians claim to want. It seems you would prefer companies were protected after hurting their customers. God forbid we have a little corporate responsibility. That could negatively affect profit margins.
2.) Who gives a damn if this was the result of negligence over bad intent?
“But people like YOU would gladly substitute for the government in doing so for a couple bucks.”
Can you translate this into English?
Okay, so since I’ve been away it seems that Jay has finally gone genuinely insane. Hamburgers aren’t manufactured? E coli is all the consumer’s fault for not cooking the dead-hoof-and-eyelid patties in a vat of Dettol? And all this to justify a complete lack of empirical standards in business whatsoever, just in case TEH BIG GUMMINT gets involved?