Comments on: Clinton On Science http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Benny http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61343 Benny Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:53:25 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61343 This is news? She's been running for how many months and she's now getting around to talking about a comprehensive science program? Jeez, Coturnix at a Blog Around the Clock interviewed John Edwards on this topic back in <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/07/exclusive_interview_with_senat.php" rel="nofollow">July</a>. To answer the question about the Veep, Edwards would likely say no to anyone. I think Wes Clark could be her pick, but a dark horse would be Leon Panetta. This is news? She’s been running for how many months and she’s now getting around to talking about a comprehensive science program? Jeez, Coturnix at a Blog Around the Clock interviewed John Edwards on this topic back in July.

To answer the question about the Veep, Edwards would likely say no to anyone. I think Wes Clark could be her pick, but a dark horse would be Leon Panetta.

]]> By: C.S.Strowbridge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61342 C.S.Strowbridge Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:21:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61342 "1. If a POTUS and VEEP are from the same state, their electors don't get counted." Really? Cause that's just stupid. "2. More importantly, Bill couldn't replace Hillary should (God forbid) anything were to happen." This is why he can't be V.P. If you can't be president, you can't be the V.P. However, as Dr. Handjob said, there's an issue of definition of "Elected." “1. If a POTUS and VEEP are from the same state, their electors don’t get counted.”

Really? Cause that’s just stupid.

“2. More importantly, Bill couldn’t replace Hillary should (God forbid) anything were to happen.”

This is why he can’t be V.P. If you can’t be president, you can’t be the V.P.

However, as Dr. Handjob said, there’s an issue of definition of “Elected.”

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61341 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:09:32 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61341 1 is a good point. But it is fixable. (I should mention that I think there's basically 0% chance that Bill will be her running mate, btw.) But 2 I don't think is right. The constitution just addresses a person getting elected Pres, not succeeding to to the office as far as I know. I am no expert, but I read something about that in Slate or something not too long ago, maybe in the spring. 1 is a good point. But it is fixable. (I should mention that I think there’s basically 0% chance that Bill will be her running mate, btw.)

But 2 I don’t think is right. The constitution just addresses a person getting elected Pres, not succeeding to to the office as far as I know. I am no expert, but I read something about that in Slate or something not too long ago, maybe in the spring.

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61340 duros62 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:04:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61340 <i>A Hilary/Obama ticket does have a nice ring to it.</i> Can you imagine it? The LGFers won't know who to shoot at first! A Hilary/Obama ticket does have a nice ring to it.

Can you imagine it? The LGFers won’t know who to shoot at first!

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61339 SaveFarris Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:46:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61339 I don't it would be illegal for Bill to run, but it would bring up 2 potentially thorny issues: 1. If a POTUS and VEEP are from the same state, their electors don't get counted. Bye Bye to New York's 31 electoral votes! (It's why Cheney had to move to Wyoming before 2000.) Granted, Bill could "move" to Arkansas, but I think that would engender more rampant speculation about their marriage than seems necessary. 2. More importantly, Bill couldn't replace Hillary should (God forbid) anything were to happen. Just as with Madaline Albright, they'd just skip over him in the line of succession because he's no longer eligible to hold the office. And if the House were ever to fall back into Republican hands during her term... It's just a needless risk that she would be better off avoiding. I don’t it would be illegal for Bill to run, but it would bring up 2 potentially thorny issues:

1. If a POTUS and VEEP are from the same state, their electors don’t get counted. Bye Bye to New York’s 31 electoral votes! (It’s why Cheney had to move to Wyoming before 2000.) Granted, Bill could “move” to Arkansas, but I think that would engender more rampant speculation about their marriage than seems necessary.

2. More importantly, Bill couldn’t replace Hillary should (God forbid) anything were to happen. Just as with Madaline Albright, they’d just skip over him in the line of succession because he’s no longer eligible to hold the office. And if the House were ever to fall back into Republican hands during her term…

It’s just a needless risk that she would be better off avoiding.

]]> By: megamoze http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61338 megamoze Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:58:23 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61338 A Hilary/Obama ticket does have a nice ring to it. A Hilary/Obama ticket does have a nice ring to it.

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61337 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:50:52 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61337 I know there's a choice, but it's just one that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, Oliver. Also, Spider, I read somewhere that Clinton could absolutely suceed to the presidency, that it's not even ambiguous. He just can't ever win election to the presidency ever again. I know there’s a choice, but it’s just one that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, Oliver.

Also, Spider, I read somewhere that Clinton could absolutely suceed to the presidency, that it’s not even ambiguous. He just can’t ever win election to the presidency ever again.

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61336 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:43:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61336 I think it would have been Mark Warner, but not now. Notice how Obama's been really reluctant to go negative -- most likely him. Maybe Evan Bayh or some other Red State governor. Whoever it is, I bet it will be someone younger than her. I think it would have been Mark Warner, but not now. Notice how Obama’s been really reluctant to go negative — most likely him. Maybe Evan Bayh or some other Red State governor. Whoever it is, I bet it will be someone younger than her.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61335 Oliver Willis Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:42:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61335 I don't have a problem with the dynasty thing. In contrast to dynastic governments, we have a choice. Simply because she's Clinton doesnt give her the nomination nor does it exclude her. I don’t have a problem with the dynasty thing. In contrast to dynastic governments, we have a choice. Simply because she’s Clinton doesnt give her the nomination nor does it exclude her.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61334 SpiderJ Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:41:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61334 I thought the same thing about Bill, but something about the language of the 22nd Amendment could probably tie up jurists for months if he were to have to succeed Hillary for any reason: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once." It's that "elected," I think, that would cause headaches, as well as the lack of the clause "or Vice President." Because if Bill took over, it wouldn't be an election, it would be a succession. PD100 - Funny, but I can't imagine Gore playing second banana to another Clinton ever again. I thought the same thing about Bill, but something about the language of the 22nd Amendment could probably tie up jurists for months if he were to have to succeed Hillary for any reason: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”

It’s that “elected,” I think, that would cause headaches, as well as the lack of the clause “or Vice President.”

Because if Bill took over, it wouldn’t be an election, it would be a succession.

PD100 – Funny, but I can’t imagine Gore playing second banana to another Clinton ever again.

]]> By: PD100 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61333 PD100 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:07:03 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61333 "Or somebody nobody is thinking of at all?" Gore. <b>CLINTON / GORE 2 - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO</b> Sorry, couldnt resist. “Or somebody nobody is thinking of at all?”

Gore.

CLINTON / GORE 2 – ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

Sorry, couldnt resist.

]]> By: C.S.Strowbridge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61332 C.S.Strowbridge Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:05:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61332 I don't think Bill can be V.P. I like Richardson, and it would do wonders for bringing in the Hispanic vote and might give them a shot in Arizona while completely dominating Florida and New Mexico. I don’t think Bill can be V.P. I like Richardson, and it would do wonders for bringing in the Hispanic vote and might give them a shot in Arizona while completely dominating Florida and New Mexico.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61331 SpiderJ Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:57:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61331 Here's a hypothetical exercise...say things go pretty much as they have been going, and Hillary gets the call. What would you say the odds are on her running mate? Edwards or Obama? Longtime Clinton-supporter Wes Clark? The Big Dog she's married to? Any of the lower-tier candidates (I'm a big, big fan of Richardson)? Or somebody nobody is thinking of at all? Here’s a hypothetical exercise…say things go pretty much as they have been going, and Hillary gets the call. What would you say the odds are on her running mate?

Edwards or Obama? Longtime Clinton-supporter Wes Clark? The Big Dog she’s married to? Any of the lower-tier candidates (I’m a big, big fan of Richardson)?

Or somebody nobody is thinking of at all?

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61330 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:35:32 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61330 It just seems somehow un-American to let two families have that much power. Of course, torture's more un-American, and ending that's a bigger priority. I'd ditch Obama for Hillary if I thought he was a loser and she wasn't (I don't think that, though, and it goes both ways). In fact, I'm putting money on tradesports that says Obama and Romney's stock are each going to rise. It just seems somehow un-American to let two families have that much power. Of course, torture’s more un-American, and ending that’s a bigger priority. I’d ditch Obama for Hillary if I thought he was a loser and she wasn’t (I don’t think that, though, and it goes both ways). In fact, I’m putting money on tradesports that says Obama and Romney’s stock are each going to rise.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61329 SpiderJ Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:31:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61329 Funny. I meant "Jeb," not Neil, but the same analysis applies. Funny. I meant “Jeb,” not Neil, but the same analysis applies.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61328 SpiderJ Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:30:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61328 The dynasty thing irks me as well. What happens in 2012 or 2016 when Neil decides it's his turn, and enough of the same short-minded fools forget what happened when his brother was in charge? Let's just rename them York and Lancaster and be done with it. The dynasty thing irks me as well. What happens in 2012 or 2016 when Neil decides it’s his turn, and enough of the same short-minded fools forget what happened when his brother was in charge?

Let’s just rename them York and Lancaster and be done with it.

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61327 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:02:54 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61327 Video games have taught me many things, in fact. Like how it's fine to jump on rocks floating in lava, just not in the lava itself. I like Hillary, but I hate the idea of this system of Bush/Clinton dynastic presidencies. Also, I trust Obama's foreign policy judgement over hers. Plus both he and Edwards are more liberal, which is good. Video games have taught me many things, in fact. Like how it’s fine to jump on rocks floating in lava, just not in the lava itself.

I like Hillary, but I hate the idea of this system of Bush/Clinton dynastic presidencies. Also, I trust Obama’s foreign policy judgement over hers. Plus both he and Edwards are more liberal, which is good.

]]> By: C.S.Strowbridge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/04/clinton-on-science/#comment-61326 C.S.Strowbridge Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:40:18 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5063#comment-61326 I have no doubt that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be good for America and the world. Even though I disagree with her on a few issues, (video games never turned anyone into a killer), she's a hundred times better than any Republican. I have no doubt that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be good for America and the world. Even though I disagree with her on a few issues, (video games never turned anyone into a killer), she’s a hundred times better than any Republican.

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