Comments on: Giuliani Attacks Clinton As A McGovernite, But Giuliani Voted For McGovern http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: romyboo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61376 romyboo Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:35:54 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61376 I'll never understand why the typical pattern is for people to become more conservative as they age. For me, the increasing knowledge and perspective gained through experience leads to a realization of the utter untenability and ridiculousness of the status quo, and thus a steady leftward drift. I’ll never understand why the typical pattern is for people to become more conservative as they age. For me, the increasing knowledge and perspective gained through experience leads to a realization of the utter untenability and ridiculousness of the status quo, and thus a steady leftward drift.

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61375 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:11:48 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61375 Good point, Enlightened Liberal. And when the GOP claimed Kerry tricked the Navy into giving him his Purple Hearts, those injuries were from, when, 1968? Good point, Enlightened Liberal. And when the GOP claimed Kerry tricked the Navy into giving him his Purple Hearts, those injuries were from, when, 1968?

]]> By: Enlightened Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61374 Enlightened Liberal Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:26:54 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61374 As you remember, Jay and other conservatives were totally against using John Kerry's testimony before Congress in 1971 against him politically, simply because it was so long ago. Oh wait, I don't remember it that way at all. As you remember, Jay and other conservatives were totally against using John Kerry’s testimony before Congress in 1971 against him politically, simply because it was so long ago.

Oh wait, I don’t remember it that way at all.

]]> By: C.S.Strowbridge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61373 C.S.Strowbridge Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:58:12 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61373 Me: Are you really this clueless? Jay: Are really this big an asshole in person? Yes. I'm more open about it over the internet because the threat of immediate physical reprisal isn't there, but I'm a really big asshole all of the time. At least I'm consistent. By the way, you ignored half of my post. This might have been a non-story except it's part of a pattern. One gay Republican voting against gay rights and using homophobia as a political tool is not a story. A pattern of gay Republicans voting against gay rights... Do you understand? Me: Are you really this clueless?

Jay: Are really this big an asshole in person?

Yes.

I’m more open about it over the internet because the threat of immediate physical reprisal isn’t there, but I’m a really big asshole all of the time.

At least I’m consistent.

By the way, you ignored half of my post. This might have been a non-story except it’s part of a pattern. One gay Republican voting against gay rights and using homophobia as a political tool is not a story. A pattern of gay Republicans voting against gay rights…

Do you understand?

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61372 SpiderJ Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:46:06 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61372 I agree, it's not hypocrisy. It is, however, stupid om a number of levels to have brought up McGovern as a negative in the first place since he had no problem with McGovern the last time McGovern was relevant. I agree, it’s not hypocrisy. It is, however, stupid om a number of levels to have brought up McGovern as a negative in the first place since he had no problem with McGovern the last time McGovern was relevant.

]]> By: Dr. Victor Davis Handjob http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61371 Dr. Victor Davis Handjob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:41:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61371 I actually agree with Jay. This is no big deal. All it shows is that Rudy has gotten stupider and more psychotic over the past 35 years, not that he's a hypocrite. I mean, Rudy was probably against torture and failed, pointless wars back in 1972, too. I actually agree with Jay. This is no big deal. All it shows is that Rudy has gotten stupider and more psychotic over the past 35 years, not that he’s a hypocrite. I mean, Rudy was probably against torture and failed, pointless wars back in 1972, too.

]]> By: August J. Pollak http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61370 August J. Pollak Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:37:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61370 <i>Yes, but that election was THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.</i> Weird. It's like some kind of genetic feature or something- they can just shut off parts of their brains whenever they need to not look like pathetic hypocrites when attacking liberals. Personally, if I could pick a super-power I'd go with flight or something like that, but selective temporary memory loss- I guess that's good too. Yes, but that election was THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

Weird. It’s like some kind of genetic feature or something- they can just shut off parts of their brains whenever they need to not look like pathetic hypocrites when attacking liberals. Personally, if I could pick a super-power I’d go with flight or something like that, but selective temporary memory loss- I guess that’s good too.

]]> By: Jay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61369 Jay Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:44:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61369 <i>Are you really this clueless?</i> Are really this big an asshole in person? <i>At best, this is simple hypocrisy.</i> Oh yes. How can we forget?? It's THE HYPOCRISY! Just so everybody understands: Rudy Guiliani voted for George McGovern in 1972. Therefore, any criticism of George McGovern in 2007 is HYPOCRITICAL! It does not matter if 35 years have passed. Somebody call Jim Webb's office and let him know. Are you really this clueless?

Are really this big an asshole in person?

At best, this is simple hypocrisy.

Oh yes. How can we forget?? It’s THE HYPOCRISY!

Just so everybody understands:

Rudy Guiliani voted for George McGovern in 1972. Therefore, any criticism of George McGovern in 2007 is HYPOCRITICAL! It does not matter if 35 years have passed.

Somebody call Jim Webb’s office and let him know.

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61368 Wilbur Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:34:54 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61368 <i>After all the nonsense about John Kerry's flip-flopping, we've been treated to Republican candidates on parade to show off their own weather-vane opinions</i> Doesn't matter, republicans can flip flop like a beached flounder and they'll still be Gutsy and Decisive. Dem's can be as steadfast and consistent as Mt. Rushmore and they'll still be Weak and Vacillating. The Narrative is everything. Until the dems start realizing that and start taking on The Narrative head-on the reps will clean their collective clock. After all the nonsense about John Kerry’s flip-flopping, we’ve been treated to Republican candidates on parade to show off their own weather-vane opinions

Doesn’t matter, republicans can flip flop like a beached flounder and they’ll still be Gutsy and Decisive. Dem’s can be as steadfast and consistent as Mt. Rushmore and they’ll still be Weak and Vacillating. The Narrative is everything. Until the dems start realizing that and start taking on The Narrative head-on the reps will clean their collective clock.

]]> By: megamoze http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61367 megamoze Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:12:51 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61367 I'm not even sure what the point of Guiliani's comment is. She's like McGovern and McGovern lost? So by inference she is going to lose as well? I mean, it's logically tenuous at BEST. He's better off sticking with what he knows, invoking 9-11 every other word. I’m not even sure what the point of Guiliani’s comment is. She’s like McGovern and McGovern lost? So by inference she is going to lose as well? I mean, it’s logically tenuous at BEST. He’s better off sticking with what he knows, invoking 9-11 every other word.

]]> By: C.S.Strowbridge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61366 C.S.Strowbridge Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:12:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61366 Jay: If McGovern ran in 2004, I could see making an issue out of it. However, taking into account the vote was almost a generation ago, this is much ado about nothing. Are you really this clueless? At best, this is simple hypocrisy. On the other hand, it could be seen as part of a pattern of Giuliani attacking what you believed in in order to get election. Nothing the man say can be taken at face value. Jay: If McGovern ran in 2004, I could see making an issue out of it. However, taking into account the vote was almost a generation ago, this is much ado about nothing.

Are you really this clueless?

At best, this is simple hypocrisy.

On the other hand, it could be seen as part of a pattern of Giuliani attacking what you believed in in order to get election. Nothing the man say can be taken at face value.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61365 Oliver Willis Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:50:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61365 Apparently at some point he thought McGovern was good enough to vote for president. That he uses that same guy to flail at a rival is relevant. Apparently at some point he thought McGovern was good enough to vote for president. That he uses that same guy to flail at a rival is relevant.

]]> By: Jay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61364 Jay Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:31:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61364 <i>And it wouldn't have come up as any sort of issue if Rudy hadn't brought up McGovern first.</i> Yes, but that election was <b>THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.</b> If McGovern ran in 2004, I could see making an issue out of it. However, taking into account the vote was almost a generation ago, this is much ado about nothing. And it wouldn’t have come up as any sort of issue if Rudy hadn’t brought up McGovern first.

Yes, but that election was THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO.

If McGovern ran in 2004, I could see making an issue out of it. However, taking into account the vote was almost a generation ago, this is much ado about nothing.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61363 SpiderJ Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:03:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61363 <i>So he voted for McGovern? So what?</i> I agree. And it wouldn't have come up as any sort of issue if <i>Rudy hadn't brought up McGovern first.</i> After all the nonsense about John Kerry's flip-flopping, we've been treated to Republican candidates on parade to show off their own weather-vane opinions...be it McCain's turnaround on evangelicals, Rudy's 180's on socially liberal causes, or Mitt on...well, almost everything. So is it suddenly okay again for people to change their minds over time? So he voted for McGovern? So what?

I agree. And it wouldn’t have come up as any sort of issue if Rudy hadn’t brought up McGovern first.

After all the nonsense about John Kerry’s flip-flopping, we’ve been treated to Republican candidates on parade to show off their own weather-vane opinions…be it McCain’s turnaround on evangelicals, Rudy’s 180′s on socially liberal causes, or Mitt on…well, almost everything.

So is it suddenly okay again for people to change their minds over time?

]]> By: Sundown http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61362 Sundown Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:03:27 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61362 So what? It (along with his newly displayed resistance to immigration) basically indicates that Giuliani is willing to morph politically just to please people into voting for him. What he actually believes is a mystery. So what? It (along with his newly displayed resistance to immigration) basically indicates that Giuliani is willing to morph politically just to please people into voting for him. What he actually believes is a mystery.

]]> By: Duder http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61361 Duder Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:00:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61361 McGovern, man. Thank god that guy never became President. Who'd he lose to who was so superior? I forget. McGovern, man. Thank god that guy never became President. Who’d he lose to who was so superior? I forget.

]]> By: Jay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/10/03/giuliani-attacks-clinton-as-a-mcgovernite-but-giuliani-voted-for-mcgovern/#comment-61360 Jay Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:59:46 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5067#comment-61360 So he voted for McGovern? So what? It's like saying your boss shouldn't criticize the conservative press considering he used to write for it. So he voted for McGovern? So what?

It’s like saying your boss shouldn’t criticize the conservative press considering he used to write for it.

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