Jay: In Louisiana, you’re considered an adult when you’re 17. Beats me as to why.

Sure about that? Cause Wiki has it at 18 as does About.com. If it was 17, there would be no choice in charging them as adults. Are you thinking of Age of Consent?

Me: who had such minor injuries that he didn’t even have a concussion

Jay: He did have a concussion. Contrary to what you said earlier, a concussion is not necessary for an overnight stay in hospital.

It was reported as a concussion. However, a real concussion requires an overnight stay cause serious complications can arise hours after the incident. He may have passed out and given the media’s inability to report details clearly, I’m not convinced on this point.

(By the way, he reported leaving the ring ceremony due to headache, if he had a concussion, he should have returned to the hospital because of that symptom alone.)

Me: then he should at least punted this one up to the feds. He did nothing, cause he’s racist, as the other events prove.

Jay: The feds did investigate.

Yes. I was incorrect about that point.

Me: Translation: Jay finally admits he’s wrong.

Jay: No, I just don’t care for guys who act like they’re all big and bad when sitting anonymously behind a keyboard.

Two points:

1.) Anonymously? How do you figure that, Jay?

2.) And I don’t care for guys who feign ignorance to try and win debates. To me that is acting like a little shit. And that’s exactly what you are doing.

You really like putting your foot in your mouth don’t you? You’ll see why here in a moment.

There are, at the very least, federal laws again hate crimes.

Oh really? Well gee whiz, thanks for pointing that out to me!

If he’s going to charge kids as adults

In Louisiana, you’re considered an adult when you’re 17. Beats me as to why.

who had such minor injuries that he didn’t even have a concussion

He did have a concussion. Contrary to what you said earlier, a concussion is not necessary for an overnight stay in hospital.

then he should at least punted this one up to the feds. He did nothing, cause he’s racist, as the other events prove.

The feds did investigate. They didn’t prosecute because the case didn’t meet standards required for the teens to be certified as adults.

Translation: Jay finally admits he’s wrong.

No, I just don’t care for guys who act like they’re all big and bad when sitting anonymously behind a keyboard. Such talk like, “Listen you little shit” means one of two things:

A. You’re a pussy but know you’re safe behind your keyboard
B. You have a very small penis and must compensate

… it means he lied. There are, at the very least, federal laws again hate crimes. If he’s going to charge kids as adults with attempted murder for beating up a kid who had such minor injuries that he didn’t even have a concussion, then he should at least punted this one up to the feds. He did nothing, cause he’s racist, as the other events prove.

Jay: Look, if you want to call me retarded or stupid or whatever else, fine. But I’m not going to respond when you’re acting like the big bad Internet tough guy from your perch up there in Canada, ok?

Translation: Jay finally admits he’s wrong.

What planet did you arrive from? I’d really like to know. Let’s make it simple so that your kind understand how things go here on planet Earth.

When a person says, “There is no legislation in place that could be used to prosecute the kids that put the nooses on the tree”, it does not imply that person is opposed to such legislation. What means is:

“There is no legislation in place that could be used to prosecute the kids that put the nooses on the tree.”

See how easy that is? A prosecutor must have a statute or law to work with in order to file charges.

I really cannot understand Frame, why somebody such as yourself, who is obviously smart can reach such stupid conclusions.

For the record, I am not opposed to hate crimes legislation and this wasn’t a ‘prank’ as the superintendent said it was. The kids should have been expelled. That doesn’t change the fact that the prosecutor in this case didn’t charge those kids not because he didn’t feel like it, but because there was nothing on the books that could allow him to prosecute them.

The fact of the matter is that these six black students should never have been charged with attempted murder.

I agree with that. Unfortunately, there are people who think they shouldn’t be charged with anything simply because the kids who put the nooses up were not charged with anything. You don’t correct one injustice by committing another.

How about if they were charged them with battery and put them on probation? Got a problem with that?

No, but they should be charged.

Listen up, you little shit.

Look, if you want to call me retarded or stupid or whatever else, fine. But I’m not going to respond when you’re acting like the big bad Internet tough guy from your perch up there in Canada, ok?

Me: A D.A. said he would end their lives with a stroke of a pen after they processed.

Jay: You are seriously misinformed. The “stroke of the pen” comment was made at the high school during an assembly with all of the students present. It was not made to the 6 kids in specifically.

Listen up, you little shit. A white man pulled a shotgun on three black youths, no charges were laid. A group of white youth beat up a black man, cops tell the victim he shouldn’t be in that part of town. Black youth beat up a white youth, they are charged as adults with attempted murder.

This is part of a pattern of racism. You might be able to say, “He was talking to both sides equally.” if the rest of the events didn’t happen.

Me: He was in the hospital for less than a day. If he even had a concussion, he should have stayed overnight for observations.

Jay: Great, so beating people up to the point of unconsciousness is a-ok with you just so long as they don’t have to spend the night in the hospital. The mind boggles.

Jesus fucking Christ. You are without doubt one of the stupidest lifeforms out there. No wonder you are conservative.

Beating people up is still a crime, but it is not attempted murder.

By the way, I’m not stupid. I have debated with people 10 times smarter than you. I not going to fall for your traps. Changing the subject mid-debate and yelling, ‘Gotcha!’ won’t score you points.

Me: Changing your story? By the way, none of those fit with this case

Jay: Let’s see. Stomping on a kids head until he’s knocked out. That’s not reckless or grossly negligent? Okayyyyy.

Read the laws.

Me: There was no murder. There was nothing that was close to murder

Hay: I didn’t say there was.

YES YOU DID. What do you think Attempted murder means?

Jay: Do you agree that had it not been broken up, that young man could have been killed? Yes or no?

He could have tripped, banged his head, and died. Hypothetical are hardly valid here.

Me: White youths beat up a black youth = no charges

Jay: Actually it was one white youth and he was charged with battery. And the victim in that case suffered no injuries.

When? Before or after the cops told him he shouldn’t be in that part of town?

Me: What these people were doing to these blacks youths was terrorism. Now you are saying you can’t use deadly force in the face of terrorism?

Jay: Terrorism is an ongoing thing. If this was an ongoing thing, then sure,

… Serious question. Are you fucking retarded?

You think this sort of racism just sprung up over night. THERE WAS A FUCKING TREE AT SCHOOL THAT WAS FOR WHITES ONLY.

The fact of the matter is that these six black students should never have been charged with attempted murder. How about if they were charged them with battery and put them on probation? Got a problem with that?

Oh and by the way, all I am doing is stating facts. If there’s nothing that can legally be done, that’s a fact, not an opinion. Learn the difference twit.

And you stick needles in the eyes of kittens and pull wings off flies.

Going to answer the questions or just be your usual moronic self?

What an idiot.

A. You can’t say that the kids who put those nooses up should be charged with a hate crime if a statute doesn’t exist to do so.

B. We’re all operating on a lot of second hand information regarding the party incident and the shotgun incident. Unlike people like Frameone, I am not willing to say anything happened exactly as reported because unfortunately with issues that involve race, BOTH SIDES have a tendency to lie.

For instance, where did the information come from that said Robert Bailey wrestled the gun away from the kid who pulled it on him? One report I read said Bailey and two of his friends beat up the kid and stole his shotgun which is why Bailey was charged. Honestly, I don’t know who to believe and don’t anybody hit me with the “What do they have to gain by lying?” nonsense because a lot of people in this entire mess have to gain by lying. As well as a lot to lose.

Sure you are.

And you hate puppy dogs, ice cream and the United States of America.

I figure if you’re going to make shit up (I wonder what took so long), I’ll just make shit up as well.

i love it that you think there has to be absolute symmetry between two crimes for unequal protection to come into play.

What the hell do you think equal protection means moron?

Here’s a couple of questions and since you are SO BRILLIANT at educating everybody on the lack of the equal protection:

1. Were putting those nooses on the tree a crime? Not ‘hate crime’ in the general sense, but an actual part of the penal code in Louisiana that would have given then prosecutor the means to file charges? Yes or no?

2. Was the white kid who hit a black kid at that party charged with battery? Yes or no.

3. What are the details behind the shotgun case? I’ve read conflicting accounts. What are the ACTUAL FACTS?

Enlighten us.

The white kids committed a series of crimes from threatening black students to physical assault. You’re opposed to hate crimes legislation that would make terrorizing someone with the threat of lynching a crime and you don’t think threatening to kill someone or physically assaulting them is all that big a deal when white kids do it. i love it that you think there has to be absolute symmetry between two crimes for unequal protection to come into play. But then again since you obviously live in a fantasy world, i guess it’s easy to see why you’d think life works that way.

You are seriously misinformed. The “stroke of the pen” comment was made at the high school during an assembly with all of the students present. It was not made to the 6 kids in specifically.

He was in the hospital for less than a day. If he even had a concussion, he should have stayed overnight for observations.

Great, so beating people up to the point of unconsciousness is a-ok with you just so long as they don’t have to spend the night in the hospital. The mind boggles.

Changing your story? By the way, none of those fit with this case

Let’s see. Stomping on a kids head until he’s knocked out. That’s not reckless or grossly negligent? Okayyyyy.

There was no murder. There was nothing that was close to murder

I didn’t say there was. YOU said that if they ‘wanted’ to kill him, they could have. People kill people all the time without ‘wanting’ to. Do you agree that had it not been broken up, that young man could have been killed? Yes or no?

White youths beat up a black youth = no charges

Actually it was one white youth and he was charged with battery. And the victim in that case suffered no injuries.

What these people were doing to these blacks youths was terrorism. Now you are saying you can’t use deadly force in the face of terrorism?

Terrorism is an ongoing thing. If this was an ongoing thing, then sure, I could see violence being acceptable in the face of such behavior. But the way you’re responding, if my neighbor, who is Jewish, finds a swastika painted on his mailbox and learns who did it, he’s justified in killing that person, even if it was an isolated incident.

Um, yeah jay. I believe that would include equal protection from excessive bail and punishment. Idiot.

What in the world are you babbling about? Equal protection would be in jeopardy if the same crime was committed by six white youths against a black youth and they were released with minimal bail and charged with say, simple assault. You can’t go off spouting about “equal treatment” (whatever the hell that means) when their aren’t similar cases at hand to discuss.

Um, yeah jay. I believe that would include equal protection from excessive bail and punishment. Idiot.

Jay: Oh please. Charges are often filed and then reduced afterwards pending new information. This is nothing new, so give misconduct crap a rest.

A D.A. said he would end their lives with a stroke of a pen after they processed. But when a black youth was beat up no charges were brought up. The D.A.s are obviously racist, why can’t you see that?

Me: On the other hand, only the intent matters. Six black youths beat up a kid, who is left with injuries so mild that he doesn’t even have to stay overnight in a hospital, yet that’s attempted murder.

Jay: He was beaten to the point of unconsciousness!

He was in the hospital for less than a day. If he even had a concussion, he should have stayed overnight for observations.

Jay: And it’s not just all about intent. Recklessness, depraved indifference, gross negligence, etc. can all lead to murder charges.

Changing your story? By the way, none of those fit with this case.

Me: On a side note, it was 6 to 1. If they wanted to kill him, they would have.

Jay: You don’t have to ‘want’ to murder somebody in order to do so.

There was no murder. There was nothing that was close to murder. … Except for that white guy who pointed a shotgun at three black youths. That was closer to murder.

Me: He also said he’s end the lives of the blacks kids with a stroke of his pen. The fucker is obviously racist.

Jay: The statement was made at a school assembly and was directed at all the students. The only thing that’s obvious is your willingness to just believe whatever fits your point of view.

White man pulls a gun on black students = no charges.
White youths beat up a black youth = no charges
Black youths beat up a white youth = Murder charges

If you don’t see the racism there, it is intentional.

Me: It’s not a matter of maturity. It’s a matter of recognizing that some people are not worth shedding a tear over. Racist assholes fall into that category.

Jay: Who said to shed tears? You’re taking the position that murder is a justifiable reaction to racism. You’re right. It’s not about maturity. Such a position isn’t immature. It’s nucking futs is what it is.

What these people were doing to these blacks youths was terrorism. Now you are saying you can’t use deadly force in the face of terrorism?

That seems mighty strange.

Are you really suggesting that it was the “hyphenated Americans” who marginalized themselves from the dominant culture? And that it was the media that made them do it?

Read a book, read a book, read a m***erf***in book!

Equal treatment? The constitution provides for equal protection under the law.

We don’t have two different incidents with 6 white kids beating up a black kid and getting slaps on the wrist and the 6 black kids who beat up a white kid getting treated more harshly.

We have this shotgun incident, for which nobody has details, except for what has been reported by the media. We have a fight at a party where one kid was charged with battery. There are claims that somebody was hit with a beer bottle, but nothing was substantiated.

What galls me is the “Oh big deal!” attitude certain people here have towards six kids who stomped on a kids head to the point where he was knocked unconscious, had one of his eyes swollen shut, and had blurred vision plus headaches. They should be freed because they reached conclusions based on assumptions that every other thing they’ve read about these other incidents is 100% true.

Unreal man.