Comments on: Bill Belichick And The Cheating Patriots http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:02:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Dr. Squid http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62168 Dr. Squid Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:47:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62168 What, that moron Easterbrook didn't have 5 <b>more</b> pages about this? What a windbag. What, that moron Easterbrook didn’t have 5 more pages about this?

What a windbag.

]]> By: Jesse Ewiak http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62167 Jesse Ewiak Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:48:10 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62167 I'm a Steelers fan, so by right, I should hate the Patriots and be cheering on the job done by the media here attacking ole' Bill here. However, three points. 1. Um, how dumb are the Jets that the Patriots figured out their signals within a half? 2. If this had really been going on for years, wouldn't have some ex-Pat who hates Bill like Bledsoe or Milloy blown the whistle? 3. Do you really want to face a Patriots team with this much talent _with_ a chip on their shoulder? I’m a Steelers fan, so by right, I should hate the Patriots and be cheering on the job done by the media here attacking ole’ Bill here. However, three points.

1. Um, how dumb are the Jets that the Patriots figured out their signals within a half?

2. If this had really been going on for years, wouldn’t have some ex-Pat who hates Bill like Bledsoe or Milloy blown the whistle?

3. Do you really want to face a Patriots team with this much talent _with_ a chip on their shoulder?

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62166 Oliver Willis Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:57:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62166 The Poor Man is about as unbiased talking about the Patriots as I am talking about the Skins. The Poor Man is about as unbiased talking about the Patriots as I am talking about the Skins.

]]> By: C.L. http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62165 C.L. Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:49:46 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62165 Ugh! I was going my merry way, hating Belichick and the Patriots until this came along. Now I'm faced with a moral dilemma: if I continue hating the Patriots I'm now on the same side as Gregg Easterbrook....uh, actually come to think of it, it's no dilemma at all: GO PATS!!!!!! Ugh! I was going my merry way, hating Belichick and the Patriots until this came along. Now I’m faced with a moral dilemma: if I continue hating the Patriots I’m now on the same side as Gregg Easterbrook….uh, actually come to think of it, it’s no dilemma at all: GO PATS!!!!!!

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62164 SpiderJ Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:48:46 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62164 Right...three weeks after the game has been played, and by the time you play that team again their signals have likely been switched up. If anything, the binoculars offer an immediate advantage that video doesn't give you, unless it's also been stated that the person taping the signals was also immediately relaying the signals--that he'd interpreted accurately, on the fly--to the offensive coordinator. Right…three weeks after the game has been played, and by the time you play that team again their signals have likely been switched up.

If anything, the binoculars offer an immediate advantage that video doesn’t give you, unless it’s also been stated that the person taping the signals was also immediately relaying the signals–that he’d interpreted accurately, on the fly–to the offensive coordinator.

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62163 SaveFarris Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:44:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62163 The difference, of course, is that you can't go back to your binoculars in 3 weeks and review what you saw. You can with videotape. And the hypothetical in King Kauffman's article (Videotaping from Row 12 instead of the sidelines) is false, because as anyone who's been to a pro sporting event in the last 10 years can tell you, videotaping in the stands is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN. Just try it and get your a** thrown out by security. The difference, of course, is that you can’t go back to your binoculars in 3 weeks and review what you saw. You can with videotape.

And the hypothetical in King Kauffman’s article (Videotaping from Row 12 instead of the sidelines) is false, because as anyone who’s been to a pro sporting event in the last 10 years can tell you, videotaping in the stands is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN. Just try it and get your a** thrown out by security.

]]> By: PD100 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62162 PD100 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:43:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62162 A non-controversy. Unless the evidence turns up any of the opposing coaches playsheets. A non-controversy. Unless the evidence turns up any of the opposing coaches playsheets.

]]> By: Duder http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62161 Duder Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:39:46 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62161 You are <a href="http://www.thepoorman.net/2007/09/13/king-kaufman-is-making-sense/" rel="nofollow">mistaken</a>. Kaufman nails it with his first sentence: <blockquote>The fracas over the New England Patriots “spying” on the New York Jets during Sunday’s game in New Jersey is an early leader for dumbest controversy of the year honors, though to be fair Terrell Owens hasn’t even started warming up yet.</blockquote> You are mistaken.

Kaufman nails it with his first sentence:

The fracas over the New England Patriots “spying” on the New York Jets during Sunday’s game in New Jersey is an early leader for dumbest controversy of the year honors, though to be fair Terrell Owens hasn’t even started warming up yet.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/09/19/bill-belichick-and-the-cheating-patriots/#comment-62160 SpiderJ Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:38:48 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=5221#comment-62160 Are we still talking about this? "Super-elaborate"? He videotaped the sidelines, and then after the game he'd try to decipher the defensive signals, which were likely changed up by the next time they played, anyhow. If you can sum it up in one sentence, it's not "super-elaborate." He broke the rules, yes, because one can't use video to spy on the opponent, but the rules don't discuss things like binoculars, which Denver's Mike Shanahan has admitted to using for the same purpose. Easterbrook has some hellish kinda bug up his butt about this, which you can tell by the way he has decided that all Patriots victories in perpetuity throughout the universe will now deserve an asterisk because maybe a videotape from 2005 is why they beat the hell out the Chargers. He got caught breaking rules. Nobody can prove that his rule-breaking led to a competitive advantage (or else how do you explain the regular season losses, or the failure to make the Super Bowl last year or in 2005). He has been punished by the league and paid his penalty. He's not a good guy, but to say that this is worthy of banning him from the Hall of Fame is over-the-top. By the by, I'm a Bears fan. I have no dog in this fight. Although I do think that it's stupid to continue needling the Patriots as a team by saying that they can't win without cheating. "We didn't get any respect" is the mantra they used to dismantle the Rams in their first Brady Bowl. Are we still talking about this?

“Super-elaborate”? He videotaped the sidelines, and then after the game he’d try to decipher the defensive signals, which were likely changed up by the next time they played, anyhow. If you can sum it up in one sentence, it’s not “super-elaborate.”

He broke the rules, yes, because one can’t use video to spy on the opponent, but the rules don’t discuss things like binoculars, which Denver’s Mike Shanahan has admitted to using for the same purpose.

Easterbrook has some hellish kinda bug up his butt about this, which you can tell by the way he has decided that all Patriots victories in perpetuity throughout the universe will now deserve an asterisk because maybe a videotape from 2005 is why they beat the hell out the Chargers.

He got caught breaking rules. Nobody can prove that his rule-breaking led to a competitive advantage (or else how do you explain the regular season losses, or the failure to make the Super Bowl last year or in 2005). He has been punished by the league and paid his penalty. He’s not a good guy, but to say that this is worthy of banning him from the Hall of Fame is over-the-top.

By the by, I’m a Bears fan. I have no dog in this fight. Although I do think that it’s stupid to continue needling the Patriots as a team by saying that they can’t win without cheating. “We didn’t get any respect” is the mantra they used to dismantle the Rams in their first Brady Bowl.

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