Oh? Could you please tell that to the families of 3,000 plus dead US soldiers?

As to the rest of your equivocation, suggestion that anything is possible at any time and so no policy could ever possibly be judged by mere mortals, is just lame. But i guess that’s what hackery gets you.

And I’m not tied to Bush’s policies. He could be just as wrong as Obama.

“We don’t/can’t know the effects, long term, of invading Pakistan. There are good possibilities and bad possibilities.”

In a way yes. But the key is Pakistan is a much, much more serious proposition than Iraq.
Just because an invasion might have good or bad consequences, doesn’t mean you should do it and it doesn’t necessarily follow that the good and bad are equally balanced. At best, I’m saying of Iraq that is possible some long term good can come from it. But, mostly I doubt it. And if it was day one, knowing only what I know now, I wouldn’t do it - Iraq. But I could be wrong - short sighted- and the Neocons right.

…coming from a guy that ridicules liberals for “not denouncing Stalin”. Color me unimpressed.

“We don’t/can’t know the effects, long term, of invading Pakistan. There are good possibilities and bad possibilities.”

And for the record, i would support limited engagement with pakistani support but nothing even close to an invasion.

No. if pakistan asked us to and we had actionable intelligence that it was worthwhile, it could make sense. Neither of those are on the table, so it is anyhing but good sense.

Do you support military intervention in Pakistan?

“With real actionable intelligence, we will get the job done,” Bush said.

How about with the fake kind?

But any military intervention in Pakistan is absolutely the worst idea evah and anyone who suggests it is obviously unserious and maybe unhinged. Yup. Right-o. Could you just try to be a little more consistent in your idiocy?

Its not that hard. I don’t know if it was right to go into iraq. I kinda think not, but I fully admit there are things I don’t know about the invasion (classified) and yes I might just be wrong (as is true of you and everyone else). You say ‘blow with wind’ but if you were to check back on my posts - this has been my position since day one. With 20-20 hindsight, once we were in, seems to me we should have toppled that statue and then pulled out and told the Iraqis its all yours. But now its a lot more complex and I’m not sure pulling out precipitously is a good idea (I know you feel otherwise and we have beat it to death). My pre military degree is in history and I tend to look at longer term effects. We don’t/can’t know the effects, long term, of Iraq. There are good possibilities and bad possibilities.

At the same time, you say that you cannot say whether Iraq is or will be a success or failure. And yet you are emphatically convinced that invading Pakistan will be “six times worse” than Iraq. But Dugger, you mean a worse success? Or do you mean worse in that you will feel six times more ambiguous about the outcome?

All of that, however, is beside the point as if we did invade pakistan, you would fully support staying until we get the job done, right? You would argue that, well, we’re there now and we have to deal with that reality, let’s not argue about how we got there.

I’m sure that’s exactly what you would say.

Precisely my point, frame. Thank you. Pakistan will be like Iraq, only six times worse. (What in the h*ll was Obama or his handlers thinking or drinking?)

And I didn’t support the Iraq action. You mistake my lack of hate of W or my ridcule of all the war conspiracy theories (OOOH. Bush lied! Its all about oil!! )as support for Iraq. Even now, I can’t say whether Iraq is or will be a success or failure. OTOH, we are there. And that is a reality that must be dealt with carefully.

And what part of this is also not an argument against invading Iraq? We face everything you just described with the exception of a mountainous terrain In Iraq. But you support and supported our invasion ot Iraq. Regardless of how our presence there would have impacted Iranian influence in the region, upset tribal and religious tensions, inflamed the muslim world — including the nuts in the Pakistani mountains you’re so concerned about NOT upsetting. Seriously Dugger, the idea that we shouldn’t invade Pakistan because we’d end up bogged down fighting a protracted military conflict in a politically unstable and dangerous region is exactly why many people opposed the war in Iraq.

I didn’t realize I had to respond personally to every unfounded, hysterical, fact-free rumor you baby-molesting, solicalist, ripping-the-tag-off-of-mattresses guy. (Kidding!)

Anyway, I had more important things to do last night. Like installing my new 42″ plasma. Gotta have Priorities!!!

Or is he going to justs end in one CIA James Bond type and take out Obama. Val Plame maybe. Boy, you guys are on top of all of this.

Duhh, why not go in and kill a bunch of dem terorists?

Dugger and SaveFarris hate America because they have no respect for Americans. They hold the American people in contempt - for all kinds of reasons. But it starts there. Disrespect grows into contempt which grows into hate.

That’s why they advocate taking away civil liberties. They simply do not believe that Americans deserve them.