The reason we “dismiss you out of hand,” Dugger, is because you won’t back up your own claims, and you don’t respond to any criticism.

In short, you refuse to argue in good faith. This is why you are treated like a joke: because you do not behave with any dignity. At the very least, it’s instructional about American conservatives, so I welcome your presence on that count.

We. Simply. DO. NOT. COUNT. Dead. Iraqis!

See, that would hurt our war effort almost as much as allowing photos or tape of dead soldiers, body bags, or caskets being flown into the US.

1) He begs you not to focus on the fact that the past 15 years in Iraq have been relatively calm.

2) Dugger pleads with you not to think about what the mortality rate in Iraq would have been if we had not invaded.

3) He doesn’t want you to actually think about whether passively surveilling a country’s English-language newspapers is the best way to estimate the death toll.

4) He really doesn’t want you to use the standard he used for Saddam on Bush (as in, Saddam “killed” every Iraqi who died in the war he started) because that would mean Bush has “killed” more Americans than Osama bin Laden.

http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/3703/Patterns_of_Sectarian_Violence_in_Baghdad

The human shields went to protect one man? Must’ve been really crowded at ol’ Chez Saddam.

Save that japery for Happy Hour, willya?

-Or something like that..

P.S. Fuck Bill O’Reilly and his fans.

Who? How? Cite, please, Dugger.

“now along comes Harvard to further discredit it”

How? Where? Cite, please, Dugger.

“The British site IBC estimates Iraqi casualties at 74,336 since 2003.”

No, it does not. It tallies casualties REPORTED IN ENGLISH-LANGUAGE ONLY. IBC makes no attempt and is in no way qualified to “estimate Iraqi casualties” whatsoever. As IBC concedes on its website: “”It is likely that many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by the media.”

Here are some more Iraqi death rate estimates, Dugger:

Pre-invasion: 5.5 deaths/1,000/year

March 2003-April 2004: 7.5 deaths/1,000/year

May 2004-May 2005: 10.9 deaths/1,000/year

June 2005-June 2006: 19.8 deaths/1,000/year

Overall post-invasion: 13.2 deaths/1,000/year

Saddam murdered about 600,000 Kurds, Shia, civilians. Another 1M died in the Iran Iraq war he started. Thats 1,600,000 over 24 years or 288 months. That comes out to 5,555 per month for the man leftist human shields tried to protect. Do the math. Deaths under Saddam were about 3 times greater.

Hell, he doesn’t even have the courage to answer a simple question on the internet.

Speaking of dubious statistics, can you verify your broken-record claim that Iraq has exceeded its normal mortality rate by 1,000,000 between 2003 and 2007?

And speaking of 1 million people, remember all those stories claiming that between 500,000 and 1,000,000 children had died in Iraq as a result of the sanctions against Saddam? What ever happened to those findings?

Not that any of this is relevant anyway — Oliver got PWNED by Jay. Only an idiot would think that the comment posted on O’Reilly’s blog advocated assassination. The only thing controversial about the comment was AmericaBlog’s incredibly deceptive use of omission in preparing its own post.

Here’s a good example of a thread from February where Dugger was asked to put up or shut up. He repeated his claim over and over again, but refused to defend it. Also notice that back then he claimed it was “four-to-one” and that now it’s “three-to-one.” What’s his basis for either claim? Who the fuck knows? His facts begin and end with “FUCK THE LIBERALS!!!”; everything flows from there. He’s sort of the Alberto Gonzales of conserva-trolls.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/way_to_go_lapdo.html

As for Farris and Dugger… gimme a fucking break, you guys. You know what? Over the past 75 years, the country of Germany has been responsible for over 14 million killings. That’s about 187,000 a year over 75 years! Holy shit, let’s invade Germany, start a war and occupation, and only kill about 100,000 people/year! Yes, that will be much better. We Americans, liberators all! Oh, the flowers and balloons, can you see them? Women swooning, babies laughing, dogs and cats snuggling up to one another! It’ll be so great.

Let’s not pay attention to the fact that almost all those murders happened in a decade-long stretch back before my parents were born. Just like you don’t pay attention to the fact that murders under Saddam were much greater in number years and years before our current tryst with Iraq.

Show me some credible evidence that the murder rate over Saddam’s last few years in power was greater than the rate of killing over our few years of occupation, and then maybe I won’t think you guys are complete fucking morons.

Dugger believes this because he a) lies about the deaths under Saddam, and b) denies the deaths now. Will he ever gain sufficient moral courage to expose his claims to sunlight? Probably not.