I’ve got a friend who hates this because he doesn’t think the Clinton campaign is being bold enough compared to someone like John Edwards, but I keep giving them kudos because I love – after the last 15 years – when Democrats fight back, especially against blowhards like Bill O’Reilly who would like to tar and feather anyone to the left of Hitler as Chairman Mao reincarnated.
As Kos points out, Howard Wolfson’s key phrase was:
Unfortunately with all due respect for you, the days where you can dictate where Senator Clinton and other Democrats go, who we talk to, are over.
This is no longer 2000-2004.
BY THE WAY: Expert media watcher that I am, this is O’Reilly’s (succesful) attempt to stir stuff up in an otherwise slow news period. He finds something to bitch about and bitches about it until the cows come home. There’s no actual news happening, just his whining. It’s the same reason why in the otherwise doldrum month of December he and Fox Noise created the bogus “War on Christmas”.
I agree that it was a good exchange and look forward to the other campaigns also kicking Billo’s nads, but I must admit that the quote you point out feels to me like the “this will really get the netroots cheering us” sound bite.
I’d rather have seen the guy compare what O’Reilly is doing (highlighting a few out of context anonymous forum posts) with what Billo always bitches and moans about with Media Matters. He whines that the eeeeevil Soros-funded Media Matters takes a 3-second clip from a 2-hour show and says that it represents O’Reilly. But at least those 3 seconds were words that actually come from Billo’s mouth. Billo’s pull quotes come from who-knows-where, certainly not kos or any of the other frontpagers or rated diarists. So what Billo is doing is actually far WORSE than the behavior he mewls about from MM.
Yeah, but the thing is, doing that is impossible in 8 seconds of TV time.
Interesting, considering what this guy and you guys are complaining about with regard to O’Reilly and Kos is exactly what you do to Charles Johnson and LFG. He doesn’t delete anti-Arab comments so therefore he must agree with it. Why should Kos be treated any differently?
Sorry, I meant LGF not LFG.
There is an attempt on Kos to remove those comments, and on LGF the comments are endorsed and encouraged by the site’s owner.
There is an attempt on Kos to remove those comments
Oh really? The only time Kos has removed such comments is when it affected him personally. The kind of invective I have read there remains there – hateful as anything that appears on sites like FreeRepublic.
and on LGF the comments are endorsed and encouraged by the site’s owner.
I call bullshit on this one. I’d like to see some evidence of him encouraging and endorsing such language.
I’d like to see some evidence of him encouraging and endorsing such language.
Well, you could start with one of LGF’s staples: photos of Palestinians rushing to the site of an Israeli military attack. Have you never seen one of these posts?
I like the Free Republic threads about Martin Luther King day. I’ve never seen anything on Kos come close to that level of insanity.
When is Bill O’Reilly going to apologize for the influence of Southern conservatives on the GOP? They’re the worst conservatives in the country, and they all vote GOP now…
“Mr. President, in light of the comments by the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. Kennedy), it is important that there be such an examination of the political activities and associations of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., principally from the beginning of his work in the civil rights movement in the mid 1950s until his death in 1968. Throughout this period, but especially toward the beginning and end of his career, King associated with identified members of the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA),with persons who were former members of or close to the CPUSA, and with CPUSA front organizations… Throughout his career King, unlike many other civil rights leaders of his time, associated with the most extreme political elements in the United States. He addressed their organizations, signed their petitions, and invited them into his own organizational activities. Extremist elements played a significant role in promoting and influencing King’s opposition to the Vietnam war – an opposition that was not predicated on what King believed to be in the best interests of the United States but on his sympathy for the North Vietnamese Communist regime and on an essentially Marxist and anti-American ideological view of U.S. foreign policy.”
“King’s patterns of associations and activities described in this report show that, at the least, he had no strong objection to Communism, that he appears to have welcomed collaboration with Communists, and that he and his principal vehicle, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), were subject to influence and manipulation by Communists. The conclusion must be that Martin Luther King, Jr. was either an irresponsible individual, careless of his own reputation and that of the civil rights movement for integrity and loyalty, or that he knowingly cooperated and sympathized with subversive and totalitarian elements under the control of a hostile foreign power.”
– Sen. Jesse Helms, speaking on the floor of the U.S. Senate, October 3, 1983
Here’s another incredible Free Republic thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1768267/posts
Billo is deliberately ommitting the hate speech and death threats posted on FreeRepublic.com; LGF; Powerline; Captain Ed; Ace whatever he calls his idiot self.com, etc.
I am not quite sure why it is so important that DailyKos remove posts that are inflamatory. This is a democracy, right? In a country of 300 million people, there will be disagreements, right? Some people may vent their spleen in colorful and malicious language, right? So why is there so much hand wringing over this. I would rather hear what people have to say than censor their speech.
It seems to me that the problem with Redstate or any of the other derivative sites is not that they have hateful speech. They do. The problem is that if you oppose that speech, you are booted from the site. Tell me how that supports democratic institutions.
z adura, it isn’t important that dailykos or any site remove those posts. What this discussion is about for me is why O’Really and Malkin and their ilk complain about what posts are on dailykos while ignoring the hate speech on their own site.
You’ve got to admit that wingnut sites are much better at that eliminationist and genocidal rhetoric than we are. I mean sometimes liberal site posters wonder what would happen if someone in power died, but for general, unbridled “kill all the Muslims” rhetoric you can’t beat wingnuts.
More conservative hate speech, this time from America’s most powerful and influential conservative (non politician), Rush Limbaugh.
“A quick question for you to ponder, ladies and gentlemen. How do we know which side in this war John Kerry is on? In the last war he was with the enemy, met with them, lied for them before a Senate committee. How do we really know what side he is on?”