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	<title>Comments on: The Bush Administration&#8217;s Strategy On Al Qaeda: &#8220;Harass&#8221; Them</title>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66198</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now you know, and knowing is half the battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66197</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Am I the only one that notices Pakistan&#039;s declining cooperation and support of US anti-terrorism efforts hastened since the IRaq invasion.&quot;

Why yes, you are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Am I the only one that notices Pakistan&#8217;s declining cooperation and support of US anti-terrorism efforts hastened since the IRaq invasion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why yes, you are.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66196</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one that notices Pakistan&#039;s declining cooperation and support of US anti-terrorism efforts hastened since the IRaq invasion.

The biggest obstacle to anti-terrorism efforts in Pakistan are a direct result of anti-US sentiment, which has mushroomed since the US invasion of Iraq.

Expressed militarily, the US has been paying Pakistan over $1 billion annually to conduct military operations on our behalf.  Over the past few years, these operations have grown more infrequent to the point that the Pakistan government pretty much does nothing for that money now.

And it isn&#039;t just militarily that this decline has hurt anti-terrorism efforts.  It has hurt cooperation in law enforcement as well, with fewer arrests and fewer checks on militants

Intelligence suffers.  Less cooperation there between US and Pakistan.

Politically.  Anti-US sentiment colors government actions and has given rise to pro-taliban groups.  Pakistan&#039;s government exerts little control over some areas of the country.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one that notices Pakistan&#8217;s declining cooperation and support of US anti-terrorism efforts hastened since the IRaq invasion.</p>
<p>The biggest obstacle to anti-terrorism efforts in Pakistan are a direct result of anti-US sentiment, which has mushroomed since the US invasion of Iraq.</p>
<p>Expressed militarily, the US has been paying Pakistan over $1 billion annually to conduct military operations on our behalf.  Over the past few years, these operations have grown more infrequent to the point that the Pakistan government pretty much does nothing for that money now.</p>
<p>And it isn&#8217;t just militarily that this decline has hurt anti-terrorism efforts.  It has hurt cooperation in law enforcement as well, with fewer arrests and fewer checks on militants</p>
<p>Intelligence suffers.  Less cooperation there between US and Pakistan.</p>
<p>Politically.  Anti-US sentiment colors government actions and has given rise to pro-taliban groups.  Pakistan&#8217;s government exerts little control over some areas of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66195</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why I guess we could have just had the CIA kill (Saddam) instantly&lt;/i&gt;

Well, that is actually against the law. The CIA can&#039;t assassinate heads of state (that&#039;s their story and they&#039;re sticking to it), but OBL is not a head of state.

&lt;i&gt;It will be the same military, same planners, same intel sources, same limitations, same results.&lt;/i&gt;
Hopefully, we&#039;ll get some more qualified people to run it by then.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why I guess we could have just had the CIA kill (Saddam) instantly</i></p>
<p>Well, that is actually against the law. The CIA can&#8217;t assassinate heads of state (that&#8217;s their story and they&#8217;re sticking to it), but OBL is not a head of state.</p>
<p><i>It will be the same military, same planners, same intel sources, same limitations, same results.</i><br />
Hopefully, we&#8217;ll get some more qualified people to run it by then.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66194</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what do you propose we do?&#039;

You realize that plenty of smart people in the military with a helluva lot more data than you or I are working on this constantly. Which means that anybody who tells you there is an easy, bumper sticker answer is full of crap. Again, look how long it took to get Saddam (he was very mobile) - when we fully controlled all of the countryside militarily.

Vigilance and perseverance are the only answers at present.  Most needed is hard core, reliable intel.  If we knew he and one or two others were going to be at the Islamabad Hojo for two weeks, the small hit team idea might work. But that hasn&#039;t ever been the case.

And make no mistake about it.  This situation will be exactly the same under a Dem CinC. It will be the same military, same planners, same intel sources, same limitations, same results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what do you propose we do?&#8217;</p>
<p>You realize that plenty of smart people in the military with a helluva lot more data than you or I are working on this constantly. Which means that anybody who tells you there is an easy, bumper sticker answer is full of crap. Again, look how long it took to get Saddam (he was very mobile) &#8211; when we fully controlled all of the countryside militarily.</p>
<p>Vigilance and perseverance are the only answers at present.  Most needed is hard core, reliable intel.  If we knew he and one or two others were going to be at the Islamabad Hojo for two weeks, the small hit team idea might work. But that hasn&#8217;t ever been the case.</p>
<p>And make no mistake about it.  This situation will be exactly the same under a Dem CinC. It will be the same military, same planners, same intel sources, same limitations, same results.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66193</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; By the time you have verified intel on where a bad guy is, he has moved.&lt;/i&gt;

So what do you propose we do? I mean, besides letting your hero, Osama, get away?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> By the time you have verified intel on where a bad guy is, he has moved.</i></p>
<p>So what do you propose we do? I mean, besides letting your hero, Osama, get away?</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66192</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;First of all, the CIA is not the military. They are a clandestine organization&lt;/i&gt;

I know that. I never said that I supported a military force.

&lt;i&gt; That being said, are you saying you&#039;re an advocate for covert operations and special forces missions that would send guys into other countries to &quot;kill terrorists?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, either that or capture and try them. Personally, I&#039;d be in favor of the latter.

&lt;i&gt;The answer, of course, is IRAQ. That&#039;s where our perceived mission changed from self-protection to imperialism.&lt;/i&gt;

That, and that without actual terrorists being at large, Bush &amp; the GOP would be nothing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>First of all, the CIA is not the military. They are a clandestine organization</i></p>
<p>I know that. I never said that I supported a military force.</p>
<p><i> That being said, are you saying you&#8217;re an advocate for covert operations and special forces missions that would send guys into other countries to &#8220;kill terrorists?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, either that or capture and try them. Personally, I&#8217;d be in favor of the latter.</p>
<p><i>The answer, of course, is IRAQ. That&#8217;s where our perceived mission changed from self-protection to imperialism.</i></p>
<p>That, and that without actual terrorists being at large, Bush &#038; the GOP would be nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66191</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You guys are a joke.&quot;

And this concludes one of the most inconsistent and insane posts dugger has coughed up in a while.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You guys are a joke.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this concludes one of the most inconsistent and insane posts dugger has coughed up in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all gets down to what is in the self interest of this country.  Arguing about going into Iraq is useless now because we are in Iraq. Pakistan is much larger and all Muslim.  A war there would dwarf Iraq.  There is no way to go into the tribal hinterlands and take on AQ without  using significant military force. Zython&#039;s CIA crap is laughable.  Why do you think it took so long to get Saddam?  Why I guess we could have just had the CIA kill him instantly or &#039;do it like we&#039;ve always done it.&#039;   Bingo. Progressive foreign policy.  Wonder why those stupid soldiers didn&#039;t listen to Zython or OW.    By the time you have verified intel on where a bad guy is, he has moved.  You guys are a joke.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all gets down to what is in the self interest of this country.  Arguing about going into Iraq is useless now because we are in Iraq. Pakistan is much larger and all Muslim.  A war there would dwarf Iraq.  There is no way to go into the tribal hinterlands and take on AQ without  using significant military force. Zython&#8217;s CIA crap is laughable.  Why do you think it took so long to get Saddam?  Why I guess we could have just had the CIA kill him instantly or &#8216;do it like we&#8217;ve always done it.&#8217;   Bingo. Progressive foreign policy.  Wonder why those stupid soldiers didn&#8217;t listen to Zython or OW.    By the time you have verified intel on where a bad guy is, he has moved.  You guys are a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66189</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it because Pakistan can push back? Chickenshits.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it because Pakistan can push back? Chickenshits.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66188</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since when do we givashit about that?&quot;

Since Jay and Dugger decided that we should be ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since when do we givashit about that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since Jay and Dugger decided that we should be &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66187</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;missions using Navy Seals or Delta would more likely than not violate international law.&lt;/i&gt;

Since when do we givashit about that?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>missions using Navy Seals or Delta would more likely than not violate international law.</i></p>
<p>Since when do we givashit about that?</p>
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		<title>By: kurtdavistn</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66186</link>
		<dc:creator>kurtdavistn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADD TO THE HARASSMENT LIST

- Butter Bin Ladin&#039;s kitchen floor and call the home phone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADD TO THE HARASSMENT LIST</p>
<p>- Butter Bin Ladin&#8217;s kitchen floor and call the home phone.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66185</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll just note for the record that Jay&#039;s support for the rule of law flies in the face of his support for torture.

(apparently being a hypocritical  idiot is not something Jay is at all concerned with either)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll just note for the record that Jay&#8217;s support for the rule of law flies in the face of his support for torture.</p>
<p>(apparently being a hypocritical  idiot is not something Jay is at all concerned with either)</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66184</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of course, it gets lost when nitwits like Frameone tries to save the day by attempting to deflect the issue by questioning my supposed lack of concern regarding the President&#039;s consistency.&quot;

Because naturally Oliver&#039;s concern for the rule of law is more important than whether the president gives a shit about it or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, it gets lost when nitwits like Frameone tries to save the day by attempting to deflect the issue by questioning my supposed lack of concern regarding the President&#8217;s consistency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because naturally Oliver&#8217;s concern for the rule of law is more important than whether the president gives a shit about it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros, the point is, Oliver is always talking about &quot;killing terrorists.&quot; He says of course that he doesn&#039;t favor invading any countries so I ask him how he thinks we should go about &quot;killing terrorists&quot; and he mentions &quot;military operations&quot; and says, &quot;We do it like we always have.&quot;

I&#039;m merely asking if he&#039;s in favor of covert ops and special forces type actions and if so, how does he reconcile that with all of his &quot;rule of law&quot; chatter that we&#039;ve heard about the last few years. The reason I ask is that covert ops and missions using Navy Seals or Delta would more likely than not violate international law. If he wants to brag about how right he is, then he should be in a pretty easy position to back that up.

Of course, it gets lost when nitwits like Frameone tries to save the day by attempting to deflect the issue by questioning my supposed lack of concern regarding the President&#039;s consistency. That&#039;s a called a red herring.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros, the point is, Oliver is always talking about &#8220;killing terrorists.&#8221; He says of course that he doesn&#8217;t favor invading any countries so I ask him how he thinks we should go about &#8220;killing terrorists&#8221; and he mentions &#8220;military operations&#8221; and says, &#8220;We do it like we always have.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m merely asking if he&#8217;s in favor of covert ops and special forces type actions and if so, how does he reconcile that with all of his &#8220;rule of law&#8221; chatter that we&#8217;ve heard about the last few years. The reason I ask is that covert ops and missions using Navy Seals or Delta would more likely than not violate international law. If he wants to brag about how right he is, then he should be in a pretty easy position to back that up.</p>
<p>Of course, it gets lost when nitwits like Frameone tries to save the day by attempting to deflect the issue by questioning my supposed lack of concern regarding the President&#8217;s consistency. That&#8217;s a called a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66182</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t we go into Pakistan and take out the Al Qaeda leadership?

The answer, of course, is IRAQ.  That&#039;s where our perceived mission changed from self-protection to imperialism.
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<p>The answer, of course, is IRAQ.  That&#8217;s where our perceived mission changed from self-protection to imperialism.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66181</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It has nothing to do with what I am more concerned with.&quot;

Classic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It has nothing to do with what I am more concerned with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/07/18/the-bush-administrations-strategy-on-al-qaeda-harass-them/#comment-66180</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Oliver has been pretty consistent throughout. Get bad guys. Make them pay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Oliver has been pretty consistent throughout. Get bad guys. Make them pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion is about Oliver&#039;s consistency. I&#039;m asking him about his position, not the President&#039;s. It has nothing to do with what I am more concerned with.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion is about Oliver&#8217;s consistency. I&#8217;m asking him about his position, not the President&#8217;s. It has nothing to do with what I am more concerned with.</p>
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