I said that liberals shouldn’t believe a damn word coming from Republicans suddenly against the war because when push comes to shove, they blink. Dick Lugar is just the latest to shuck and jive. Only Democrats can stop the war. Only they can stand up to Bush.
It’s a nice hypothetical, but up to this point the Dems have done just as much blinking, shucking, and jiving as the GOP.
I was going to say the exact opposite of Thad: What do you want? ONLY the Democrats ending the war, proving once again that all you care about is winning an election?
Or do you really want it over, even if Pres. Bush “gets credit”?
“What do you want? ONLY the Democrats ending the war, proving once again that all you care about is winning an election?”
What the fuck is wrong with you, Frank? Are you truly this stupid?
The Democrats are the only ones willing to vote to end the war. This is a statement of fact. Saying this doesn’t imply anything else.
Your bullshit about politics about all else is merely projection.
Strowbridge, save the drama for your Mama!
I remember the helicopters coming off the roof in Saigon. I was leaving Viet Nam the day of the Cambodian invasion. While the left was peeing in their pants, my friend and I looked at the headline in the Honolulu airport, and at the exact same time, said, “It’s about time.”
The Democrats have made us gun shy since the Korean War. The Islamofascists will not be resting on their laurels after we leave.
I know all you Democrats can’t wait to fling the final feces on the Bush administration, by ending this war, before he leaves office. But the Democrats won’t have that pleasure.
They are going to have to get in the White House, if they can, and have the guts to pull the plug themselves. I don’t think they can do both, maybe not even either.
Strowbridge, you’re not in this game. I don’t care if your igloo is full of Muslims.
There are a lot of GOP senators who are getting cold feet about their approval ratings. Lugar may be shucking and jiving, but the dike is starting to crack. Either they’ll vote to end the war or they’re going to give us Democrats another huge victory in ‘08.
Dr AGH: Viet Nam veterans are senior citizens, we vote like crazy!
You screw the soldiers in Iraq, and the Dems are gonna take it right in the voting booth.
The President’s policy of endless pointless war is what’s screwing the soldiers, Frank. I’m quite confident about who will take it in the voting booth if this we’re not out of Iraq by November ‘08.
“A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Tuesday shows that 38 percent of respondents who identified themselves as Republicans say they oppose the war.”
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/27/iraq.gop.dissent/
The longer Republicans keep our soldiers in harm’s way for no purpose except right-wing masturbation, the worse the electoral consequences, Frank.
Frank, on what basis do you think we could have avoided that outcome in Vietnam? The South Vietnamese government never had any legitimate authority (much like the Iraqi government now), and it was bound to fall at some point unless we propped it up forever. You’re just blaming the liberals, then as now, because you can’t admit that this was a situation where we couldn’t “win.”
What Vietnam does prove is that staying too long is worse than leaving too early. By staying and expanding the war into Cambodia, we helped pave the way for Pol Pot. Just like today: the longer we wait to leave Iraq, the worse the bloodbath will be when we finally leave. Apparently you want that, just as you wanted a bloodbath in Vietnam (because if you didn’t want millions to die, you wouldn’t have supported staying there once it was clear that we couldn’t win).
I find CNN Opinion Polls to be as worthless as theirs Broadcasts.
M.A. What Viet Nam proved is that with a liberal media, they’ll have you believing anything.
Likewise with left wing revisionist historians.
So, Frank, what you’re saying is that you can’t argue with what I’m saying, so you’re going to blame our loss in Vietnam on the mythical “liberal media.”
Face it, Frank: because we didn’t leave Vietnam earlier, millions died who might not otherwise have died. You don’t want to deal with that, so you’ve constructed a fantasy where the people who tried to get us out were the ones who really caused the carnage. Just like today, you want America to stay in Iraq longer so that many more will die unnecessarily. Sad.
The strange thing is that he’s a Vietnam vet, apparently (which is why he spells it with two words).
M. A.’s right, though. If anything, you should be the angriest of us, since you experienced first-hand a horrible, horrible war which had no business including you in the first place.
It’s not so strange. Conservative veterans of the war couldn’t blame the war itself, because, well, conservative doctrine is that all wars are great (unless Bill Clinton is in charge). So they seized on the “stab in the back” explanation, that we were winning until the liberal hippie traitors made us lose.
It makes no sense, but if you fought in a pointless war that we lost, you’re perfectly right to be angry. The problem with Frank is just that he’s not angry at the people who actually lost the war.
I am amazed at you two. Do you think I learned about the Viet Nam war, working in a warehouse, ducking rockets, and looking over a machine gun a couple of nights a month?
The strange thing is that he’s a Vietnam vet, apparently
What’s the “apparently” for? You think I’m not? Then I’ll make you the same offer I made that scumbag merlallen: Send me $100 USD and I’ll send you proof of service in Viet Nam.
Before I got my orders to Viet Nam (the proper spelling, by the way), I broke my ankle.
That resulted in a four week delay, while it healed. During that time I questioned whether or not I should go. I had no religious basis; I was going to have to refuse to go on personal philosophical grounds.
I couldn’t pretend — I had to know. I started scouring base libraries for books about Viet Nam — histories including Ho Chi Minh’s life and the French Indochina War.
Whatever book I read, “pro-Viet Nam”, or “anti – Viet Nam”, it was the same to me: The Vietnamese were a fiercely proud and independent people, who did not deserve to be under Communist rule.
Our first efforts in Viet Nam were held up by fear of the Chinese, later by fear of the Russians. We never fought them fully, just as we are not fighting the Iraqi terrorists fully.
I wasn’t saying I can’t argue with what you said (why do lefties always assume that when you don’t answer them, you are saying they are right?); I just didn’t want to go the Viet Nam route tonight. I was only reminding you that many more Viet Nam Vets are angry about the betrayal of their friends, than they are about being involved.
I believe the same thing will be true in Iraq.
I was only reminding you that many more Viet Nam Vets are angry about the betrayal of their friends, than they are about being involved.
I believe the same thing will be true in Iraq.
Maybe, but it was wrong then and it’ll be just as wrong now. You’re just showing your hatred of America and of democracy — that is, you’re saying that we failed in Viet Nam because of democratic dissent and because the people, not the troops, decide whether a war is worth paying for. When you rage against Americans for protesting the war and eventually de-funding it, you’re just saying that you hate freedom, because you’re saying that our free and democratic society caused us to lose.
And what’s worse, apart from being anti-American and anti-democracy, you’re wrong. We didn’t lose in Viet Nam because of the dirty hippies or the Democrats, we lost because the South Vietnamese government basically didn’t exist. And we’re not fighting “terrorists” in Iraq (Al Qaeda is a minor factor there), we’re fighting Iraqis who don’t like us and don’t like each other.
What we learned, and you failed to learn, is that we can’t “win” in these situations because Iraq is not our country, and Vietnam wasn’t our country. You don’t understand that because, being unpatriotic yourself, you can’t understand how anyone in Iraq could possibly resent our invasion of their country; I guess you would be happy if someone invaded America and tried to tell us how to live….
You screw the soldiers in Iraq, and the Dems are gonna take it right in the voting booth.
Translation: “How dare those Dems try to stop soldiers from needlessly dying for a pointless cause.”
I remember the helicopters coming off the roof in Saigon. I was leaving Viet Nam the day of the Cambodian invasion. While the left was peeing in their pants, my friend and I looked at the headline in the Honolulu airport, and at the exact same time, said, “It’s about time.”
So…you have no humanity. Is that your arguement?
Look, Frank. I understand you hate America, and the thought of dead and injured soldiers and civilians is all that can give you a sick sense of satisfaction from your miserable life. But enough is enough. You sociopaths have had your fun, but now it’s time for the grown-ups to take over.
M.A. and Zython: You are sanctimonious, uneducated assholes. You don’t what you are talking about, and saying it twice is not any more convincing.
And, Zython, don’t you ever talk down to me you Game Boy Champ slimeball. Even after you move out of Mommy’ basement, you’ll still be an immature dickhead.
If I knew where you lived, I’d call your Mama and tell her to give you a spanking, or at least a week without video games, you pissant!
Now “Fisk” that, you Clearasil sniffing punk!
nd, Zython, don’t you ever talk down to me
I’ll talk down to you however much I damn well please.
you Game Boy Champ
Well, not to toot my own horn, but I am fairly good with a controller.
you’ll still be an immature dickhead.
“Dickhead” seems like a pretty immature insult to me. Irony!
If I knew where you lived, I’d call your Mama and tell her to give you a spanking, or at least a week without video games, you pissant!
I don’t let that kind of information out because of creeps like you.
B. What the hell makes you think that anyone would want to take prenting advice from some jackass stalker on the internet? Loser.
Now “Fisk” that, you Clearasil sniffing punk!
Translation: “You danged kids get offa my lawn!”
“Strowbridge, you’re not in this game. I don’t care if your igloo is full of Muslims.”
Two points:
1.) The Republicans lost this war. When the next terrorist attack happens, and it is likely just over a year away, it will be the responsibility of the Republicans who have sacraficed security for politics.
2.) Nice bit of bigotry to end your post. No wonder your grand kids don’t call.
“we vote like crazy!”
You do everything like crazy, because you suffer from mental illness(es).
“You screw the soldiers in Iraq, and the Dems are gonna take it right in the voting booth.”
Screwing the soldiers? You mean like not giving them the proper body armor? No wait, the Republicans did that, and in your mind Republicans = Good, Democrats = evil.
“you’ll still be an immature dickhead.”
You’re an immature dickhead now, so it all fits.
The “apparently” was because you haven’t exactly conducted yourself in a manner that invites unquestioning trust in your claims. That and my mind can’t comprehend someone who was there actually still supporting it. But that’s just me, it’s not your fault. I’m perfectly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, of course.
Zython has made my case for me…
Strowbridge — get a new line, or try a thesaurus.
Nimrod: Someday, when you’re mature enough, you’ll discover the true meaning of right and wrong. You might be too old to fight for your country then, and they might not be asking you. But you’ll be willing.
From Agincourt to Dieppe, that blood is in your veins.
And if I were to use your “standards” of behavior,there is no one on this blog, with the exception of one person, whom I will not embarrass by naming, that is not totally without credibility, and that definitely includes you and Oliver, too.
That you could “question my conduct” after the things you have said to me and about me is, well — is there a phrase beyond “mind boggling”?
I forgot, Clem, speaking of bigotry (coming from the man who wishes people would die and calls people “mentally retarded”), my “grandchildren don’t call”, because my children don’t have children, you moose cock sucking neanderthal
Vietnam had jack to do with right and wrong. If the North Vietnamese were fascists instead of communists America wouldn’t have got involved. They might even have covertly supported them (qv Pinochet, Agosto; Contras; to an extent, Noriega, Manuel).
Nim, you’ll learn someday…
Learn what? Not to ask questions? That killing people isn’t a big deal after all? That the blood, all the blood SO MUCH BLOOD…?
You’ll learn that comments like that are ludicrous, if not ignorant.
“I forgot, Clem, speaking of bigotry (coming from the man who wishes people would die
I don’t wish anyone to die. I don’t wish anything.
Wishing, like prayer, is magic and I don’t believe in magic.
(I might use the term metaphorically, but that’s not the same.)
“and calls people “mentally retarded”),”
I only call the mentally retarded people mentally retarded. Shouldn’t that count for something?
“my “grandchildren don’t call”, because my children don’t have children, you moose cock sucking neanderthal”
Two points:
1.) If I was mean as you think I am, I would go for a low blow here.
2.) Do your children call?
Clem, you’re a fucking idiot. You’ve already gone for a low blow, when you were sucking moose cock.
You know as well as I do, that you wished I was dead, or you said you did, and you are now backstepping. So cut the shit.
Calling people mentally retarded is unscientific and politically incorrect. Calling me mentally retarded, when you know I am not, is childish and mean – spirited, behavior at which you excel.
And, yes, my children call, you imbecile — from the other room.
Some day, there may be a child or two in your life — surely a brute as selfish as you will never have any, but you may have nieces or nephews or something one day.
You will then realize that your remarks were totally meaningless, and had only effect — they convinced me that you had no desire but to inflict pain upon me.
We conservatives have had a saying for a long time: “You should always keep some liberals around, but never let them run anything.”
I would revise that, if you represent liberals: “All liberals should be hunted down and shot on sight. They are a blight on the face of humanity.”
Why does every thread end up being about Frank?
Why does every thread end up being about Frank?
Why does every thread end up being about Frank?
Why does every thread end up being about Frank?
Wellstone: Ask Strowbridge
Wellstone: Ask Strowbridge
“Clem, you’re a fucking idiot. You’ve already gone for a low blow, when you were sucking moose cock.”
Hit a nerve, did I?
Nothing like a little hypocrisy to brighten your day, eh Frank?
“You know as well as I do, that you wished I was dead, or you said you did, and you are now backstepping. So cut the shit.”
No, it was just a convenient setup to make fun of the way you look.
“Calling people mentally retarded is unscientific and politically incorrect.”
Don’t care.
“Calling me mentally retarded, when you know I am not,”
Actually, I think you are mentally retarded.
“And, yes, my children call, you imbecile — from the other room.”
Oh… oh that explains so, so much. You kids are obviously too old to live with you, so you live with your kids.
“I would revise that, if you represent liberals: ‘All liberals should be hunted down and shot on sight. They are a blight on the face of humanity.’”
After saying something like this, it must be really, really hard to convince yourself you are the good guy here.
“Wellstone: Ask Strowbridge”
Except from what I’ve read, you were like this before I ever came here. You are a mean, nasty human being and you bring this side out of people.
But that is your goal.
You are either the most persistent troll I have ever met, or someone who so loathes the very core of their being that you demand pain be inflicted upon you for your past sins.
LMAO go liberals. Screw the pompus squares and war-mongering rednecks. That’s all conservatives are anyway.
Love fiscal conservatives, hate every other kind.
I quote your best pal, Frank, George W. Bush:
THE CONSTITUTION IS JUST A GODDAMNED PIECE OF PAPER!
-his response in a meeting about the Patriot Act and his “authority” to override the constitution.
If our own president doesn’t obey the constitution, where have our BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS GONE????
…and you still support his dumbass.
And if you don’t believe he said that, it was in mainstream media all the way to Time Magazine. Look it up.