In 1964 the Goldwater campaign announced the take over of the Republican party by the far-right John Birchers, racists, and conservatives. For better or worse over the next 40+ years they grabbed power like never before and tried their damnedest to turn America to the right.
I think the Bush presidency is going to turn out to be the left’s 1964.
Young Americans are more likely than the general public to favor a
government-run universal health care insurance system, an open-door
policy on immigration and the legalization of gay marriage, according to a New York Times/CBS
News/MTV poll. The poll also found that they are more likely to say the
war in Iraq is heading to a successful conclusion.
More than half of Americans ages 17 to 29 — 54 percent — say they intend to vote for a Democrat for president in 2008. They share with the public at large a negative view of President Bush, who has a 28 percent approval rating with this group, and of the Republican Party. They hold a markedly more positive view of Democrats than they do of Republicans.Among this age group, Mr. Bush’s job approval rating after the attacks of Sept. 11 was more than 80 percent. Over the course of the next three years, it drifted downward leading into the presidential election of 2004, when 4 of 10 young Americans said they approved how Mr. Bush was handling his job.
At a time when Democrats have made gains after years in which Republicans have dominated Washington, young Americans appear to lean slightly more to the left than the general population: 28 percent described themselves as liberal, compared with 20 percent of the nation at large. And 27 percent called themselves conservative, compared with 32 percent of the general public.
My teens and early twenties were spent under the Clinton presidency, and even with a Republican congress you figured that it would take a whole lot to screw up the country. Whoops. For a considerable amount of Americans, their politically formative years have been the Bush years and they’ve seen just what kind of damage can be done to a nation from one man and his party. To a lot of them they simply cannot understand the sort of experiments that had to be done to your mind in order to vote Republican. I think this will work out well.
Thanks, President Bush.
The young folks hate our health care system already, and these are people who probably aren’t even paying the outrageous deductibles and monthly fees that go with privatized health care. I think the universal health care number will only go up. Hooray! Thanks, Republicans!
How will America ever be as great as Canada and Britain without a National Health Care System?
Hehe
“Mr. Obama has suggested that he used cocaine as a young man.”
Obama was a coke head. I didn’t know that.
Anyway. 1964 was no watershed either way. It was an anomaly. Moderates before and moderates after -= both sides. LBJ, a moderate Dem, prosecuted the war and so did his moderate Republican successor - who was reelected by a landslide. The big shift came with the advent of the McGovernites gaining control of the Dem party in thr early 70s and the Reagan revolution on the R side a little later,
How about you crack a history book or 2, Oliver
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‘64 was where the Reagan revolution started, Dugger. And since apparently you guys like to argue by posting Amazon links:
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Also, wasn’t one of you yammering about how there was no conservative “movement” in this country?
That was Jay, I think, Dr. A.
Frank, how is that even sarcastic?
I think intelligent people realize that this country is better off when it isn’t run by ideologues who make decisions based on their hard core beliefs, rather than through wisdom.
This is why the radical right Repubs have failed.
They had their 6 year shot, and they blew it.
They’ve been exposed.
Nobody likes them anymore.
Obama was a coke head. I didn’t know that.
So was Bush. But you knew that, didn’t you?
“How will America ever be as great as Canada and Britain without a National Health Care System?”
How will Frank defend this bigotted statement? How will he try and convince himself he’s the good guy unfairly attacked by mean bullies?
Canada and Britain and other Western countries are way ahead of the US in pre- and post-natal care, infant mortality, life expectancy, and overall quality of life.
But of course you knew that before you posted your ignorant statement, Frank, right? Riiiight! wingnut, all the way!
On the overall topic, I heard a die-hard Republican on C-Span this morning say that the Bush Presidency has been an unqualified disaster for his party, and that he realizes now Bush was never a Conservative.
Feels to me like the 85% approval among GOP diehards that Bush so relied on all these years is gone.
And like Ollie says, many signs among the young that Liberal Progressive values, Green values are the popular thing to be now.
I remember during the heyday of the Conservative movement in ‘92 and ‘93 when Ayn Rand, Gordon Gekko, and Alex on Family Ties resonated with a lot of young people: Be tough, be determined, get busy, get your stock options, and get your millions now.
That kind of selfish, me-first, mine-first attitude seems as dated today as the Material Girl, square-shoulder padded jackets, and skinny ties.
The young people I talk to today are anti-war, talk about the Environment, about serious values, about making the world better. That’s what young people are SUPPOSED to talk about.
The pendulum is swinging back to normal after having swung to the right all those years.
Someone tell Gingrich, Santorum, and Thompson the bus left a year ago, ok? LOL!
I remember during the heyday of the Conservative movement in ‘92 and ‘93
Huh?
You mean when the Conservative Pres. Clinton was treating the Oval Office like the back of a pick up?
As for Canada and Britain, people aren’t breaking their necks to go there, even with the fabled NHS, or One - Payer - Service.
Frank, you are so fucking ignorant.
EVERY fucking statement out of your mouth could come straight out of a programmed Glenn Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity radio comment.
Here, stupid, let me educate you:
NY Times link
“…But in recent years, immigration lawyers and labor market analysts say, the Canadian system has become an immovable beast, with a backlog of more than 800,000 applications and waits of four years or more…”
Now thank me very much. Moron.
No, that the US’s healthcare system sucks so much that the overspill is hurting Canada’s superior system.
“C.S., do you have Star Wars pajamas and Star Trek bed sheets or the other way around? Are you with Landrau ?”
Are you making fun of Star Wars now?
Anything to avoid the topic at hand.
“As for Canada and Britain, people aren’t breaking their necks to go there,”
Actually, they are. We have very high immagration given our population.
But don’t let the facts get in the way of your hatred, bigots never do.
I’ll see you and raise you, “Named for a Dead Guy”:
USA Today
For all of you who were offended by my remarks about Canada and Britain, there is nothing bigoted about pointing out that the United States is the greatest country in the world, and it didn’t get that way because of National Health Care.
When the truth is told about exactly who these people are that “don’t have health care”, your plans to socialize medicine will be gone like the Dodo.
Frank, do you understand that in order to refute an argument that you should, I dunno, refute it? This is common knowledge that in ‘64 the “conservatives” took over the GOP, Nixon started the appeal to them, and Reagan was their big break-through. These are simple basic facts that aren’t up for debate in the least. The books you posted don’t really have a thing to do with this.
‘Taters, you seem to be having trouble keeping up. Let me help:
Frank said: “As for Canada and Britain, people aren’t breaking their necks to go there…”
Wellstone replied: “…But in recent years, immigration lawyers and labor market analysts say, the Canadian system has become an immovable beast, with a backlog of more than 800,000 applications and waits of four years or more…”
That’s where you blundered in. If you click the little underlined linky thing, you’ll see that the Canadian backlog is for the immigration system, not the healthcare system.
You’re so welcome!
So … the Democratics are advocating for a health care system that will result in 4-year waiting periods? Sign me up!!!
What’s that you say? The waiting periods are due to folks immigrating into Canada in order to partake of their health care? Well all right then, I guess I’m joining the push for USA Universal care. Because lord knows immigration isn’t an issue in this country already…
When the truth is told about exactly who these people are that “don’t have health care”, your plans to socialize medicine will be gone like the Dodo.
I can’t wait. Go ahead and tell us now, willya? Who are they? I can’t stand the suspense!
Given your promise that knowing who they are will cause the extinction of “plans to socialize medicine,” they must be people I don’t care about and would probably be better off dead, yes?
OH NOES NOT SOCIALIZATION
Honest to God.
Wingnuttia just cannot handle much less grasp the concept of “fact” as opposed to “opinion”, can they?
It’s surreal.
And what is contributing to this influx of immigration - “free” health care, perhaps.
I dunno. Take it up with Frank. He’s the one who said: “As for Canada and Britain, people aren’t breaking their necks to go there, even with the fabled NHS, or One - Payer - Service.”
Now you’re saying exactly the opposite. Wingnut fight, everybody!
I believe Nader made a similar point during his ‘00 run — that a Bush presidency would rally the liberal base more than a Gore presidency.
I guess you can call it a silver lining, but it’s hard for me to believe it’s worth it.
I also don’t have much confidence in our generation learning any lasting lessons — there’s an immediate backlash against Bush’s party underway, but I don’t know how long it will last. Remember that it’s the people who should have learned from the Nixon era who helped put Bush in office.
“If you’re not a liberal when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative when you’re 40, you have no head.”
‘Taters wrote:
“Is it a coincidence that here in Massachusetts (Lowell and Lawrence) have enormous Asian welfare communities.”
I call. I want to see your cards on that claim.
“If you’re not a liberal when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative when you’re 40, you have no head.”
Farris, the original quote said “Republican,” not “liberal.” And it was said by a French guy, Francois Guizot.
“This is common knowledge that in ‘64 the “conservatives” took over the GOP, Nixon started the appeal to them, and Reagan was their big break-through.”
OW, better stick to calling Fox commentators Nazis. Your understanding of the Rpublican PArty is nil. Goldwater won in 1964 and has his man, Dean Burch, installed as party chair. In turn, Burch was ousted by moderates a year later and replaced with a moderate from Ohio - Ray Bliss. I give you an AUH2O from Time:
Angered by the G.O.P. moderates’ drive to oust Dean Burch, his hand-picked Republican national chairman, Barry Goldwater flared to a friend last month: “I may not be able to keep Burch in, but I’m sure as hell not going to let Rockefeller name Ray Bliss.”
(Of course, Bliss became Party chairman and Nixon, a moderate, won the next two elections).
You should, I dunno, apologize to frank.
I think as the web gains increasing significance in peoples lives, conservative influence will wither away. Conservatives talk a good game when it is done in a top down model like talk radio or cable news, but when you have a platform like the web that allows instantaneous fact checking and debunking, suddenly conservatives are instantly made to look the part of the bed wetting two year olds they have always been. It has been, and will continue to be, great fun to kick conservatives out of office in all levels of government and laugh at their poor grasp of reality.
Oliver has seen those references before.
One is a book by a man who is a scholar on Hoover the politician. His book is about how conservative intellectualism replaced liberal intellectualism on the American political scene.
See also William F. Buckley’s “Up from Liberalism”, written well before Goldwater’s loss to Johnson.
The other book was written by a man on the inside, who was aware of all the machinations that brought the Conservative Party to power, and made the conservatives influential in the Republican Party.
Oliver also doesn’t know that he is dismissing my personal experience in the Jim Buckley for Senator campaign in 1970.
He won.
Dugger, Pigs will be flying over Hell’s hockey games, before that happens.
Meanwhile, There is more fun ahead.
The following groups are uninsured:
1) People who are eligible for Medicaid and / or Medicare but have failed to, or don’t know how to apply. Mostly the elderly, here. You caring, compassionate liberals might want to do some real good and check into that.
2) People who are in fairly good health, and pay their own rare medical expenses.
3) And, of course, people that are not eligible for State - paid medical insurance because they are not legal residents. That’s about, what? 10 million or so?
For more information on Medical Insurance, and what really matters,
See here
and here
Once again, Frank, your links lead to articles that aren’t germane. And Kling’s article was especially stupid.
Really, I was expecting your links to provide sources for this:
The following groups are uninsured:
Silly me.
Frank are you actually arguing against nationalized health care? Really?
Please expound further on how the United States is the greatest country in the world.
For more information on Medical Insurance, and what really matters
That’s what I said, and that’s what they were.
I had already named a huge group of uninsured people that aren’t “really” uninsured.
Dave in ME: Question 1: Yes
Question 2: Yes
As to “how the United States is the greatest country in the world”, people who know, know; people who don’t know,probably never will.
Yes, he’s arguing against basic rights again, on the classic conservative principle that the more you need help, the less you deserve it.
Wow - with your answers Frank you have confirmed yourself as a brilliant conservative theorist.
Except substitute “brilliant conservative theorist” with dumbfuck mouthbreathing ankle biting doucenozzle of conservative idiocy…………….
Hey, Dave, If you want the answer to a question, you have to ask it.
If, of course, I choose to answer it.
Guess how good your chances are?
The Repubs succesfully made the word “Liberal” a dirty word through the media (which is supposed to be “Librul”, remember?).
But it’s had a boomerang effect.
Fox “News” played a big part in all of this. They also played a big part in getting Bush (s)elected and the Repub Congress majority.
But thanks to the success of right wing media outlets in getting Repubs elected, they’ve also shown the country how woefully inept at governing right wing Repub ideologues are.
They shot themselves in the foot.
Sure, they made “Liberal” a dirty word.
But now “Republican” is a dirty word.
When people are asked if they are a Republican today a large majority say no f_cking way”!
“No, I’m making fun of you. Your web site is a hoot. You must be one serious geek.”
That depends on your definition of serious. My websites should not be taken serious in any way, shape, or form.
But I freely admit I’m a geek.
OxyCon: Your history is way out of wack. Cable TV wasn’t even in Ted Turner’s dreams, when liberal became a dirty word. That happened in the early 70’s.
You might need a little back up to support a statement like, “When people are asked if they are a Republican today a large majority say no f_cking way”!
That’s assuming, of course, that any of them would say “no fucking way”
=;-}
“I’ll see you and raise you, “Named for a Dead Guy”:
USA Today”
So a nation one-ninth the size of the United States has a backlog larger that yours. I would also point out that yours is that large only through artificial means. (A restricted supply and not a high demand.)
“As to “how the United States is the greatest country in the world”, people who know, know; people who don’t know,probably never will.”
This is like your victory in Iraq plan. You can’t define it, there’s no way to work toward it, but you’ll get there, eventually, if we wait long enough.
If you can’t define what makes the United States the best and still claim it is, that’s nationalism, which is a warning sign of fascism.
SaveFarris: “So … the Democratics are advocating for a health care system that will result in 4-year waiting periods? Sign me up!!!
What’s that you say? The waiting periods are due to folks immigrating into Canada in order to partake of their health care?”
No Farris, you fucking moron, there is a four-year waiting list to immigrate into Canada.
Now you should shut the fuck up, cause you have made Frank look smart by comparison. I hope you are happy.
Incidentally, for the record, I have never been very happy with the way GW has been running the country.
I am very happy that he is standing fast in Iraq,and I sincerely hope that he has not trashed the conservative dream. I think the liberal monopoly is broken, though, and the idea of a three decade dynasty ever occurring again is over on both sides of the aisle.
If you can’t define what makes the United States the best and still claim it is, that’s nationalism
Wrong on two counts. I was saying that I wouldn’t, not that I couldn’t.
And your definition is to be expected from a guy whose country’s claim to fame is that their name is in one of our sodas.
A 30 year Democratic dynasty is in the making, due solely to the effect of having Bush as president with a compliant Republican Congress for the first 6 years. The Republicans had absolute control of the federal government and showed in everything they touched, how fucking stupid the conservative movement is. A vast majority of Americans are in favor of gay rights, are in favor of restricting access to guns, are in favor of abortion rights, are in favor of nationalized health care and are in favor of strong environmental regulations. All those things and many more are diametrically opposed by conservatives, and the American people are coming to realize that in greater and greater numbers. It’s pretty simple really. Politics is like driving, put it in R to go backwards or D to move forward. Braindead fucktard asshats like Frank are incapable of seeing how wrong they have been and for how long, hence the declining influence of conservatism.
I have an opinion and everyone is entitled to it right now!
The pivotal objection to Single-Payer seems to be the idea of having to wait a year and a half just to get a broken arm treated or something. And while they can cite instances of this happening it seems to me that, if it were part of a significant trend, satisfaction with that program would be systemically lower than it is, but lets presume thats a real problem.
Are you saying that we, as Americans, citizens of the greatest country in the history of the universe infinity plus one, can’t figure out a way to make it work for us, such that we’re all healthy? Well in that case, why do you think so poorly of America you terrorist fascist queer?
Yes, because Goldwater meant nothing. It’s just happenstance that the people who became part of his movement eventually elected a president or two. Nope, that didn’t happen because some guy on a website said it didn’t.
Poor Nimmer. His/her ignrance of our system of government is matched only by OWs ignorance of Republican history.
There is so right to health care in this country. You conflate something needed or ‘nice to have’ with a right. The two things are different.
As a aconservative, I consider it immoral for the government, at the point of a gun, to force me to GIVE the fruits of my hard earned labor to someone else. You go out and got to school/med school for ten years and work your butt off and then treat yourself.
In other words, public health is a private matter.
“If you can’t define what makes the United States the best and still claim it is, that’s nationalism”
“Wrong on two counts. I was saying that I wouldn’t, not that I couldn’t.”
You are a liar, Frank. A liar and a bigot.
“And your definition is to be expected from a guy whose country’s claim to fame is that their name is in one of our sodas.”
You really know nothing about Canada, do you Frank?
Let me rephrase that.
You really know nothing, do you Frank?
“As a aconservative, I consider it immoral for the government, at the point of a gun, to force me to GIVE the fruits of my hard earned labor to someone else.”
Then move to another country, fuckwit. Taxes are not theft at gun point, they are dues you pay to be in the country you choose.
Think the dues are too high or you are not getting your money’s worth, then move. Find another country that’s better. There are a few places out there that have no taxes at all.
It’s the ultimate in free market forces.
“There is so right to health care in this country.” I know. There should be. There’s no reason for their not to be. Just because you still refuse to write it into law, doesn’t mean that health care isn’t a basic right.
“As a conservative, I consider it immoral for the government, at the point of a gun, to force me to GIVE the fruits of my hard earned labor to someone else. You go out and got to school/med school for ten years and work your butt off and then treat yourself.”
And that makes you a selfish piece of shit.
Conservatism is always about the Conservative first, preferably as the victim of something, everyone else second, if that. You think you’re the poor poor victim because you have to pay taxes, preferably based on your income and earnings. You don’t think the people who, through no fault of their own, have low income and low earnings, and basically live in poverty, are the victim because they can’t afford life-saving surgery and there’s no way of getting it free-at-point-of-delivery because poor wickle woo didn’t want to pay your fucking taxes just in case the Government, who were going to get it anyway, use it for the betterment of society as a whole, rather than you specifically.
The more you need help, the less you deserve it. Fuck you if you’re poor, it’s presumably your own fault, go and spontaneously become a Doctor, or eat cake or something. It’s immoral for the Government to give a fuck about anyone but ME ME ME.
To reiterate: you’re a selfish piece of shit. And that’s not a good basis for public policy.
Clem, where’s that legendary Canadian sense of humor, eh?
National Health Care can’t be “made” to work, any more than “rent control” can lower rent.
David in ME: Perhaps you’ll recall that the Republicans were in charge of both Houses of Congress, when President Bush was handily re - elected in 2004.
Pres. Clinton pretended to be whatever he needed to be, in order to stay popular. If there is someone out there who can do that - and it’s not Sen. Clinton — you’ll get your fantasy 7 term dynasty.
But, while we are waiting, please hold your breath.
Hey C.S., speaking as an American Southerner who’s visited Ontario and BC, I’d like to say that I’ve found Canada to be a lovely country full of courteous, friendly people. Also, I’ve occasionally had reason to work with public servants in the various ministries and at the embassy, and they were exceedingly polite and professional. Frankly, I can’t imagine having a better country as a neighbor. I apologize that the right wing in this country has confused patriotism with narcissism and self-deception.
Wow - with your answers Frank you have confirmed yourself as a brilliant conservative theorist.
Except substitute “brilliant conservative theorist” with dumbfuck mouthbreathing ankle biting doucenozzle of conservative idiocy…………….
Posted by: Dave in ME |
this from a guy whose never read Frank before. So it’s not just us.
Dugger: “Poor Nimmer. His/her ignrance [sic] of our system of government is matched only by OWs [sic] ignorance of Republican history.
There is so [sic] right to health care in this country. You conflate something needed or ‘nice to have’ with a right. The two things are different.”
Jefferson: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
I’m going to have to go with health care falling under the headings “life”, “safety”, and “happiness”.
Frank hates the laboratories of democracy. Ideology tells him what to do rather than practical reality. I say we go with the French model.
So it’s not just us.
Oh, no there is a generous supply of foulmouthed left wing boobs on this blog.
Are you really a newcomer? You will feel quite at home here. No thinking required, in fact, it can prove to be an obstacle for a liberal, eh, Duros?
Doctor AGH roots for the Reign of Terror and M’sieu Guillotine.
I don’t think he meant that model. I think he meant the current one, which is, what, number five now? Also it’s Madame Guillotine, she’s a girl.
Thad said
“I’m going to have to go with health care falling under the headings “life”, “safety”, and “happiness”.”
You misquoted your own quote. But no place does that quote say you have a right to somebody esle’s sweat equity. Just think about it Thad. You can sit on your butt all day watching say Springer while your neighbor is out busting his butt manufacturing aspirin. Is it right that you go over at 7Pm and take all the aspirin he has manufactured that day?
Thre isn’t and never was a ‘right’ to health care. Nimmer is not smart enough to realize that. maybe you are.
Perhaps you’ll recall that the Republicans were in charge of both Houses of Congress, when President Bush was handily re - elected in 2004.
Yes, and they were in charge of both houses when Clinton was pres. And they still got nothing done. so are you saying that like it’s a good thing?
Hey, CS, I bet Frank knows more about Canada than GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee.
And, by the way, congratulations on preserving the national igloo!
No thinking required, in fact, it can prove to be an obstacle for a liberal, eh, Duros?
Bwaha! You slay me, sir.
“You misquoted your own quote. But no place does that quote say you have a right to somebody esle’s sweat equity.”
See? It’s all from the basic standpoint of I AM THE VICTIM.
Is it right that you go over at 7Pm and take all the aspirin he has manufactured that day?
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read today.
No one is asking you to do any heavy lifting, Dugger.
Do you object to unemployment insurance? Social Security? Medicare/Medicaid? Veteran’s benefits? Do you pay taxes at all? (IRS, please take note)
Have you yourself ever been unemployed and had to collect? If the answer is yes, then I want my money back, asshole, you didn’t work to deserve it.
By the way, Aspirin is non-prescription medicine, avaiable over the counter. Not supplied by the NHS. You buy it yourself. With money. Are you suggesting that unless you made them yourself with the sweat of your brow, you shouldn’t be allowed to buy basic goods?
Duros, I expect he’d say “yes” to all of those up to the unemployed bit.
Duros: Just giving you the respect you deserve. How did Dave’s ass taste?
Thanks for the correction, Nim. That was your life’s purpose. You may die now.
Soon.
Please.
How did Dave’s ass taste?
Good one, Frank. You’re such a class act.
neener-neener
Conversely, if someone asks me for an aspirin, I’ll give it to them.
My life’s purpose is to relaunch Green Lantern with the focus on Alan Scott.
Well, okay, how about this? Frank is a retired IRS employee and former soldier who is on Medicare and/or VA benefits. Does he deserve the “sweat from your brow”, Dugger? Shit, why don’t you send him the money out of your pocket, up there in New Rochelle?
Or perhaps at 60 years old, he should just go to med schoola nd be dr. and treat himself?
Mike Huckabee congratulates Canada on “preserving the national igloo.”
Heh. See what I did there? I typed all wrong, so’s dugger could read it better.
Yeah, that’s it.
No, Frank was in ‘Nam, so he’s automatically allowed anything he wants, ever, under Dugger’s value system.
(not to denigrate his service, I certainly couldn’t have got through it myself)
Well, techinically, Dugger is correct–there is no “right” to health care. There’s also no right to have a job, live in a house with indoor plumbing, or eat.
However, there is such a thing as good policy. The health of the country’s citizens is an appropriate concern that can be addressed by collective effort.
You should, I dunno, apologize to frank.
Ok.
Frank, I’m sorry you’re a douchebag. I forgive you.
And to all the conservative trolls here: Why just “socialized medicine”? Why not also fight against socialized education, socialized security, socialized transportation, and socialized vengence?
I agree. Somehow “the greatest country in the world with one of the highest infant mortality rates” kinda doesn’t have a good ring to it.
And socialized italics?
off?
Beat me to the draw again, Duros.
It’s the infants’ own fault for being unemployed.
I usually don’t respond to ignorant trolls, because you can’t get through to partisan right wing ideologues, so it’s a waste of time.
But Frank wanted some “back-up” of the facts.
Well, here’s some from a know partisan Repub outfit which “backs up” my earlier comment:
A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of 15,000 adults in May found that just 30.8% now say they’re Republicans. That’s down slightly from last month and down more than six percentage points from the GOP peak of 37.3% during Election 2004. The number of Republicans has been falling fairly steadily since the middle of 2005.
link
Here’s some more “back-up” on how America has turned away from the Repubs:
Only 24% in the poll identify themselves as Republicans, down from 31% just before the election. That’s the smallest percentage since December 1998, when only 20% said they were Republicans. The post-election dropoff is not unusual for a losing party; self-identified Democrats fell from 34% to 28% in 1994, when Republicans seized Congress.
Democrats stayed relatively constant, edging from 34% to 35%.
link
And more:
April 13, 2007
Political Environment Continues to Favor Democrats
By 50% to 35% margin, Americans want to see Democrats win in 2008
by Jeffrey M. Jones
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
PRINCETON, NJ — Recent Gallup polling continues to show a favorable political environment for the Democratic Party. Democrats maintained a significant advantage in partisan identification throughout the first quarter of 2007. Additionally, by a sizable margin, Americans say they would rather see the Democrats than the Republicans win the 2008 presidential election. A ray of hope for Republicans exists in that their leading presidential contenders are currently viewed more positively by Americans than the leading Democratic presidential contenders. Also, the Republican candidates are highly competitive with the Democratic candidates in head-to-head match-ups.
Party Support
During the first quarter of 2007, an average of 33% of Americans identified as Democrats, 28% as Republicans, and 38% as independents. Several things are notable about these numbers.
First, 28% is the lowest percentage of self-identified Republicans in any quarter since the second quarter of 1999.
link
Dugger: “You misquoted your own quote.”
Pardon?
Dugger: “You can sit on your butt all day watching say Springer while your neighbor is out busting his butt manufacturing aspirin. Is it right that you go over at 7Pm and take all the aspirin he has manufactured that day?”
Sorry, but I don’t debate people who argue by analogy. Argument by analogy is for people who can’t debate a subject on its own merits.
Your prediction is a little late, Oliver. MoveOn.org declared their ownership of the Democrat party last year.
Duros62 | Jun 27, 2007 5:34:34 PM
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We’ve been through this before, and you denied you ever did it.
BTW, I am in school, and I will be a therapist in about a year. I will treat any of you for free, since nothing could better define pro bono than straightening out as many of you as possible before you get one day older.
Frank, I’m sorry you’re a douche bag.
Zython, I’m glad you’re a douche bag.
No thanks Frank, don’t think I need marriage advice from someone who couldn’t keep his own going. Maybe the best advice to keeping my marriage together is to not be like you.
“Clem, where’s that legendary Canadian sense of humor, eh?”
If your comment about Canada Dry was in fact a joke, wouldn’t be able to tell cause of all the truly retarded things you’ve said on this blog in the past.
“National Health Care can’t be ‘made’ to work, any more than ‘rent control’ can lower rent.”
Except it does. It works in plenty of places and the best health care in the world are national health care plans.
“this from a guy whose never read Frank before. So it’s not just us.”
You don’t have to be here long for Frank to intentionally piss you off enough to snap. It’s what he does.
Don’t thank Bush, Thank Nader.
Seriously.
EarL
There are people who need help, and a smaller number who want help. Any idiot who confuses a therapist with Dr. Phil is obviously in the larger number, but, fortunately for me, not in the smaller.
And furthermore, how stupid could anyone be as to believe that a person could somehow “hold his / her marriage together”?
What should I have used? Duct tape?
Wadda Marroon!
When does blaming me for making this thread about me begin?
You guys are amazingly lacking in introspection — amazingly!
There is a diffrence between helping someone and the government coming in at the point of a gun and making you work for someone. There is a little thing called freedom. A ‘right’ to healthcare is meaningless unless the government forcibly makes some work for others. Otherwise its about as meaningful as my ‘right’ to lakefront property on Mars (cue the highly intellectual Nimmer: Wait a darn minute! There are no lakes on Mars! I got Dugger. I got Dugger.)
Why is it I don’t have a right to one of John Edwards mansions? After all, I NEED a place to live.
“There is a diffrence between helping someone and the government coming in at the point of a gun and making you work for someone.”
You are a fucking retard. If you don’t want to pay taxes, move somewhere where there are none.
Anyone who compared taxes to robbery needs to grow up or shut up. Or both.
There is no amount of political philosophy that makes National Health Care a right, unless you look outside a Federal Republic — that’s us.
In the world of Marx, Engels, et al, every one has a “right” to whatever the government thinks they need.
It doesn’t work that way in the USA.
Dugger, don’t feel bad about being called a retard. Strowbridge has been busting to call somebody a retard for days now.