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		<title>By: Scaramouche</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68941</link>
		<dc:creator>Scaramouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my 2 cents worth. A few benefits of clean campaign legislation are:

-It would lower the barrier to entry for anyone considering a political career, that means you. Yes, you!

-Legislators would have more time to dedicate to their jobs, legislating, rather than following the PAC.

-It would depress the political fundraising industry and assorted barnicles on the ship of state.

-Politicians need to stop hob-nobbing with people who can afford to drop $500 plus on lunch with a photo op; most of their constituents can&#039;t even buy their month&#039;s groceries for that amount.

-A side benefit could be the price of skyboxes at sporting events could plunge to the level of reasonable.

-Yet another effect could be that poiticians chase votes instead of money, but hey, that&#039;s pie-in-the-sky shit...

It comes down to how the rules are written. For sure, history teaches us that human ingenuity will find a loophole and exploit it. Because, in my view, the world&#039;s oldest occupation is politician.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my 2 cents worth. A few benefits of clean campaign legislation are:</p>
<p>-It would lower the barrier to entry for anyone considering a political career, that means you. Yes, you!</p>
<p>-Legislators would have more time to dedicate to their jobs, legislating, rather than following the PAC.</p>
<p>-It would depress the political fundraising industry and assorted barnicles on the ship of state.</p>
<p>-Politicians need to stop hob-nobbing with people who can afford to drop $500 plus on lunch with a photo op; most of their constituents can&#8217;t even buy their month&#8217;s groceries for that amount.</p>
<p>-A side benefit could be the price of skyboxes at sporting events could plunge to the level of reasonable.</p>
<p>-Yet another effect could be that poiticians chase votes instead of money, but hey, that&#8217;s pie-in-the-sky shit&#8230;</p>
<p>It comes down to how the rules are written. For sure, history teaches us that human ingenuity will find a loophole and exploit it. Because, in my view, the world&#8217;s oldest occupation is politician.</p>
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		<title>By: dr4lom</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68940</link>
		<dc:creator>dr4lom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definitely a good argument, and one that deserves the time.  While I don&#039;t have much to add in the large scope of how public financing would affect 527s or the tax base, I can say one area of politics that would be forced to comply with a fairer system, and that&#039;s the media.  Many forget that when the FCC was created, there was a deal made with the major networks to allot time for public campaigns and elections.  This time has basically been melded into news spots and is still used for advertisements and therefore is ultimately dictated by corporate money.  How long a debate will run or how often political ads are shown is all ruled by advert money on the networks side.  If campaigns were funded publicly, we&#039;d most likely have to readopt the old standard and set definite time slots for no purpose but campaigns and elections.  Debates held in this forum would not be shortened by commercials.  Candidates would be given equal time regardless of party or financial status.

While I agree that more government isn&#039;t necessarily better gov&#039;t, we need to start appreciating that there are some things a federal gov&#039;t can do really well and this might be one of them.  However, it would be beneficial first to remove several of the services that gov&#039;t doesn&#039;t do very well to make up for budget increases that would certainly be necessary to finance campaigns.  Still though, on the media side, I think a lot of graft could be removed from that side of it were the gov&#039;t to just reimpose it&#039;s earlier agreements with the networks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definitely a good argument, and one that deserves the time.  While I don&#8217;t have much to add in the large scope of how public financing would affect 527s or the tax base, I can say one area of politics that would be forced to comply with a fairer system, and that&#8217;s the media.  Many forget that when the FCC was created, there was a deal made with the major networks to allot time for public campaigns and elections.  This time has basically been melded into news spots and is still used for advertisements and therefore is ultimately dictated by corporate money.  How long a debate will run or how often political ads are shown is all ruled by advert money on the networks side.  If campaigns were funded publicly, we&#8217;d most likely have to readopt the old standard and set definite time slots for no purpose but campaigns and elections.  Debates held in this forum would not be shortened by commercials.  Candidates would be given equal time regardless of party or financial status.</p>
<p>While I agree that more government isn&#8217;t necessarily better gov&#8217;t, we need to start appreciating that there are some things a federal gov&#8217;t can do really well and this might be one of them.  However, it would be beneficial first to remove several of the services that gov&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t do very well to make up for budget increases that would certainly be necessary to finance campaigns.  Still though, on the media side, I think a lot of graft could be removed from that side of it were the gov&#8217;t to just reimpose it&#8217;s earlier agreements with the networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68939</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for actually responding and (mostly) not just fighting. I don&#039;t necessarily think I&#039;m sold on the issue - I think that it&#039;s a little farfetched and an expenditure of gov&#039;t resources that&#039;s not needed - but I know more now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for actually responding and (mostly) not just fighting. I don&#8217;t necessarily think I&#8217;m sold on the issue &#8211; I think that it&#8217;s a little farfetched and an expenditure of gov&#8217;t resources that&#8217;s not needed &#8211; but I know more now.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68938</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, all lobbyists are not mega - corporate vipers, and all their communication is not &lt;i&gt;via&lt;/i&gt; brown bags of cash. Money is not a carrier of evil.

The ability to be influenced by cash is in the heart and soul of the Congressman, not the bills in the sack.

The job must be more of a public service job, and less of a ticket to paradise.

Suspicion of bribery or corruption leads to an instant opportunity to resign, losing all benefits. If you don&#039;t take that opportunity than you run the risk of the full weight of the law.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, all lobbyists are not mega &#8211; corporate vipers, and all their communication is not <i>via</i> brown bags of cash. Money is not a carrier of evil.</p>
<p>The ability to be influenced by cash is in the heart and soul of the Congressman, not the bills in the sack.</p>
<p>The job must be more of a public service job, and less of a ticket to paradise.</p>
<p>Suspicion of bribery or corruption leads to an instant opportunity to resign, losing all benefits. If you don&#8217;t take that opportunity than you run the risk of the full weight of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68937</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current debate in congress on the energy bill is a perfect example of why we&#039;re never going to change squat in Washington until elections are free of undue corporate influence.

From Arianna Huffington&#039;s column today: &lt;i&gt;&quot;[r]aising CAFE standards should be a no-brainer. It&#039;s the fastest and most efficient way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. But automakers are fighting progress tooth and nail. And they are getting help from a group of lawmakers that includes Michigan&#039;s two Democratic Senators, Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, who are giving in to the lobbyists and special interests that have defined Washington for decades.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Kinda says it all, for me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current debate in congress on the energy bill is a perfect example of why we&#8217;re never going to change squat in Washington until elections are free of undue corporate influence.</p>
<p>From Arianna Huffington&#8217;s column today: <i>&#8220;[r]aising CAFE standards should be a no-brainer. It&#8217;s the fastest and most efficient way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. But automakers are fighting progress tooth and nail. And they are getting help from a group of lawmakers that includes Michigan&#8217;s two Democratic Senators, Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, who are giving in to the lobbyists and special interests that have defined Washington for decades.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Kinda says it all, for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68936</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you donate $20 to a politician for a political campaign, you are showing your support.  When the local business magnate donates $2000, he is buying the right to come back later and ask for a favour.

Public financing can help reduce the favour buying.  Not completely, but it helps.  It also makes it more likely that a small candidate can run and have a chance.

Part of the reason why elections are so expensive is the advertising.  Pass a law that requires N hours of prime time TV, or N pages in the local newspaper, to be made available free of charge to each candidate/party in an area during the declared campaign season and most of the reasons for huge amounts of money goes away.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you donate $20 to a politician for a political campaign, you are showing your support.  When the local business magnate donates $2000, he is buying the right to come back later and ask for a favour.</p>
<p>Public financing can help reduce the favour buying.  Not completely, but it helps.  It also makes it more likely that a small candidate can run and have a chance.</p>
<p>Part of the reason why elections are so expensive is the advertising.  Pass a law that requires N hours of prime time TV, or N pages in the local newspaper, to be made available free of charge to each candidate/party in an area during the declared campaign season and most of the reasons for huge amounts of money goes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68935</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of nothing, I give you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/7371579@N04/582610559/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Dream Team of 2012.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of nothing, I give you <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7371579@N04/582610559/" rel="nofollow">the Dream Team of 2012.</a></p>
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		<title>By: .Ben Brackley</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68934</link>
		<dc:creator>.Ben Brackley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Savings and Loan scandal cost taxpayer hundreds of billions of dollars.  The scandal was a direct result of industry campaign contributions to members of both parties.

The cost to taxpayers of the savings and loan scandal would be enough to publicly fund election campaigns for centuries.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Savings and Loan scandal cost taxpayer hundreds of billions of dollars.  The scandal was a direct result of industry campaign contributions to members of both parties.</p>
<p>The cost to taxpayers of the savings and loan scandal would be enough to publicly fund election campaigns for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68933</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not ALL about the money. It&#039;s also about the perqs.

Why should get Senators and Congressmen get outrageous salaries for working less days than a school teacher?

Why should they get a 100% pension, no matter how many terms they serve?

Free medical care at Bethesda  for life?

Make the job more like public service and less like instant celebrity, and you&#039;ll see a different kind of person running for office, and a different kind of campaign.

Here are some rules:

Pension:

10% of your final pay, for each term you served.

Medical care: 10% free, for every term you have served,

Salary: The same as the national median for the member&#039;s or President&#039;s  family size. When &quot;the  country gets a raise&quot;, the Senator, congressman, or President gets a raise.

Being a politician shouldn&#039;t entitle you to &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Giraffe+Money&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;giraffe money&lt;/a&gt;&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not ALL about the money. It&#8217;s also about the perqs.</p>
<p>Why should get Senators and Congressmen get outrageous salaries for working less days than a school teacher?</p>
<p>Why should they get a 100% pension, no matter how many terms they serve?</p>
<p>Free medical care at Bethesda  for life?</p>
<p>Make the job more like public service and less like instant celebrity, and you&#8217;ll see a different kind of person running for office, and a different kind of campaign.</p>
<p>Here are some rules:</p>
<p>Pension:</p>
<p>10% of your final pay, for each term you served.</p>
<p>Medical care: 10% free, for every term you have served,</p>
<p>Salary: The same as the national median for the member&#8217;s or President&#8217;s  family size. When &#8220;the  country gets a raise&#8221;, the Senator, congressman, or President gets a raise.</p>
<p>Being a politician shouldn&#8217;t entitle you to &#8220;<a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Giraffe+Money" rel="nofollow">giraffe money</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68932</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t particularly care about money in campaigns.  People get mixed up on this.  Its your candidate&#039;s vote that counts and not his money.  A good vote is a good vote regardless. Same with a bad vote.  Same old BS.  People are so worried about motive that they ignore substance.  The answer is to have a more responsible and better informed electorate and forget about infringing on people&#039;s freedoms. Remember McCain Feingold was going to fix this.  It didn&#039;t. Teh next law won&#039;t either.

How about freedom.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t particularly care about money in campaigns.  People get mixed up on this.  Its your candidate&#8217;s vote that counts and not his money.  A good vote is a good vote regardless. Same with a bad vote.  Same old BS.  People are so worried about motive that they ignore substance.  The answer is to have a more responsible and better informed electorate and forget about infringing on people&#8217;s freedoms. Remember McCain Feingold was going to fix this.  It didn&#8217;t. Teh next law won&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>How about freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68931</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How&#039;s this, Michael?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elections.org.nz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elections.org.nz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.elections.org.nz/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s this, Michael?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.elections.org.nz/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.elections.org.nz/" rel="nofollow">http://www.elections.org.nz/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68930</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in New Zealand we have public funding for elections and it works pretty well. I&#039;ll see if I can hunt down a webpage that has a description of how it works. Not that there aren&#039;t the occasional problems with it, but it&#039;s much much better than the problems of corporate funding in America. We also use what we call MMP, mixed member proportional which is really great too. It&#039;s neat to see what a little country can do when they&#039;re not too tied to the way things used to be done and understands that democracy can be evolutionary.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in New Zealand we have public funding for elections and it works pretty well. I&#8217;ll see if I can hunt down a webpage that has a description of how it works. Not that there aren&#8217;t the occasional problems with it, but it&#8217;s much much better than the problems of corporate funding in America. We also use what we call MMP, mixed member proportional which is really great too. It&#8217;s neat to see what a little country can do when they&#8217;re not too tied to the way things used to be done and understands that democracy can be evolutionary.</p>
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		<title>By: brian mcfadden</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian mcfadden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money will always find a way to the campaigns. Somehow the influence of tv and radio advertising needs to be reduced. Regulations, equal time, magic? I don&#039;t know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money will always find a way to the campaigns. Somehow the influence of tv and radio advertising needs to be reduced. Regulations, equal time, magic? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Dunkerley</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68928</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Dunkerley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a volunteer coordinator for the California Clean Money Campaign. Let&#039;s see if I can shed a little light on some of these questions:

1. As some have mentioned, our tax dollars already pay for all sorts of political speech we don&#039;t agree with. That&#039;s normal in a democracy that respects freedom of speech. The issue I submit is not whether some candidates we don&#039;t agree with would recieve financing along with those we do agree with; the issue is whose interests are they going to represent if elected, which depends on where the money come from. If it comes from wealthy private groups and individuals, then they will have the lion&#039;s share of the influence. If it comes from an impartial public source, then &quot;we the people&quot; will have the most influence. Clean Money is not about regulating or censoring any particular speech; it&#039;s about expanding that freedom to all qualified candidates (not just the ones chosen by big money) and insuring the accountability of our public officials to voters instead of big donors, no matter what political party they&#039;re from.

2. Public financing systems have to be voluntary in order to be Constitutional (Buckley v Valeo, 1976), but 527 groups and privately funded candidates who might try to outspend a &quot;Clean Money&quot; candidate can be and are very effectively neutralized by having what&#039;s called &quot;matching funds&quot; or &quot;fair fight funds&quot; as part of the public financing system. Current systems operating successfully in Arizona and Maine for almost a decade have these provisions. What happens is that if a 527 or privately funded candidate tries to outspend a Clean Money candidate, the Clean Money candidate gets additional matching funds (up to a cap so we don&#039;t break the bank), which does two things: it helps keep the playing field level so the Clean Money candidate can be competitive, and it discourages those 527&#039;s and privately funded candidates from over spending (because they realize that every excess dollar they spend just triggers matching funds for their Clean Money opponent).

3. Public financing is incredibly inexpensive: about $6.00 a year per voter (a cup of coffee and a muffin) would finance all Congressional elections for both houses. That&#039;s about 2 billion total. By contrast, the earmarks pushed through the Congress on behalf of the special interest groups who currently fund campaigns came to 64 billion in 2006 alone...to say nothing of what we spend on the most expensive special interest of all, the military-industrial complex (over 500 billion in 2006). Bottom line: Clean Money would save taxpayers 10&#039;s if not hundreds of billions every year. We literally can&#039;t aford not to do it


To sum up, Clean Money has already been tested and proven to work, it&#039;s already been ruled constitutional, and it pays for itself many times over. (For additional non-partisan info see www.just6dollars.org or www.publicampaign.org or www.CAclean.org).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a volunteer coordinator for the California Clean Money Campaign. Let&#8217;s see if I can shed a little light on some of these questions:</p>
<p>1. As some have mentioned, our tax dollars already pay for all sorts of political speech we don&#8217;t agree with. That&#8217;s normal in a democracy that respects freedom of speech. The issue I submit is not whether some candidates we don&#8217;t agree with would recieve financing along with those we do agree with; the issue is whose interests are they going to represent if elected, which depends on where the money come from. If it comes from wealthy private groups and individuals, then they will have the lion&#8217;s share of the influence. If it comes from an impartial public source, then &#8220;we the people&#8221; will have the most influence. Clean Money is not about regulating or censoring any particular speech; it&#8217;s about expanding that freedom to all qualified candidates (not just the ones chosen by big money) and insuring the accountability of our public officials to voters instead of big donors, no matter what political party they&#8217;re from.</p>
<p>2. Public financing systems have to be voluntary in order to be Constitutional (Buckley v Valeo, 1976), but 527 groups and privately funded candidates who might try to outspend a &#8220;Clean Money&#8221; candidate can be and are very effectively neutralized by having what&#8217;s called &#8220;matching funds&#8221; or &#8220;fair fight funds&#8221; as part of the public financing system. Current systems operating successfully in Arizona and Maine for almost a decade have these provisions. What happens is that if a 527 or privately funded candidate tries to outspend a Clean Money candidate, the Clean Money candidate gets additional matching funds (up to a cap so we don&#8217;t break the bank), which does two things: it helps keep the playing field level so the Clean Money candidate can be competitive, and it discourages those 527&#8217;s and privately funded candidates from over spending (because they realize that every excess dollar they spend just triggers matching funds for their Clean Money opponent).</p>
<p>3. Public financing is incredibly inexpensive: about $6.00 a year per voter (a cup of coffee and a muffin) would finance all Congressional elections for both houses. That&#8217;s about 2 billion total. By contrast, the earmarks pushed through the Congress on behalf of the special interest groups who currently fund campaigns came to 64 billion in 2006 alone&#8230;to say nothing of what we spend on the most expensive special interest of all, the military-industrial complex (over 500 billion in 2006). Bottom line: Clean Money would save taxpayers 10&#8217;s if not hundreds of billions every year. We literally can&#8217;t aford not to do it</p>
<p>To sum up, Clean Money has already been tested and proven to work, it&#8217;s already been ruled constitutional, and it pays for itself many times over. (For additional non-partisan info see <a href="http://www.just6dollars.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.just6dollars.org</a> or <a href="http://www.publicampaign.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.publicampaign.org</a> or <a href="http://www.CAclean.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.CAclean.org</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis - SGMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis - SGMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaveFarris, your counterpoints to mine are well taken. I don&#039;t feel at all picked on.

I&#039;m very much concerned about the eternal campaign cycle and the concomitant eternal money chase. This is a nice intellectual exercise but I doubt that the situation will change anytime soon. The business/political machine is so much invested in gaming the status quo that any system that removed the influence of campaign contributions from politics would be declared un-American by both parties.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaveFarris, your counterpoints to mine are well taken. I don&#8217;t feel at all picked on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very much concerned about the eternal campaign cycle and the concomitant eternal money chase. This is a nice intellectual exercise but I doubt that the situation will change anytime soon. The business/political machine is so much invested in gaming the status quo that any system that removed the influence of campaign contributions from politics would be declared un-American by both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current Incumbent Preservation system insures that 90+ percent of congress critters stay in office as long as they want to. Public financing would at least level the playing field a &lt;i&gt;little,&lt;/i&gt; so that perhaps a new candidate could be elected on the merits of their proposals rather than unfair advantages in fundraising that incumbency affords.

As it is, most members of congress have to be wealthy in order to be elected in the first place. Greater democratic choice, and having to be more responsive to ordinary citizens, not beholden to corporations: two good reasons for public financing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current Incumbent Preservation system insures that 90+ percent of congress critters stay in office as long as they want to. Public financing would at least level the playing field a <i>little,</i> so that perhaps a new candidate could be elected on the merits of their proposals rather than unfair advantages in fundraising that incumbency affords.</p>
<p>As it is, most members of congress have to be wealthy in order to be elected in the first place. Greater democratic choice, and having to be more responsive to ordinary citizens, not beholden to corporations: two good reasons for public financing.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/21/sell-me-on-publicly-financed-elections/#comment-68925</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellstone and SaveFerris: My suggestions shouldn&#039;t run into First Amendment objections, except when the issues are discussed. Yours most definitely will cobble the free election process.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellstone and SaveFerris: My suggestions shouldn&#8217;t run into First Amendment objections, except when the issues are discussed. Yours most definitely will cobble the free election process.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to pick on you Dennis:  it&#039;s just that your bullet points are a bit more focused and thus easier to debate with...

&lt;i&gt;1. Limiting the campaign season to the six months leading up to the election.&lt;/i&gt;

As incumbents, current officeholders will be able to use the tools at their disposal to &quot;campaign&quot; without actually breaking laws.  (Photo ops, Town Halls, etc.)  Besides, we all know that candidates will be doing the same amount of fundraising, only telling their doners &quot;Don&#039;t send the check now. Send it in 12 months...&quot;

&lt;i&gt;3. 527&#039;s are welcome to produce all of the advocacy ads they want (Within the six month window.) but they must also pay for an equal amount of ads in the same media markets espousing the opposing view.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ll NEVER get 527&#039;s to go along with this.  Plus, you&#039;re forcing groups to spend ads to promote ideas they don&#039;t agree with.  It doesn&#039;t sound like it passes the Constitutionality test.

&lt;i&gt;4. Television and radio outlets to provide each candidate with equal blocks of time as a public service.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a law on the books now.  But media outlets get around it by calling it &quot;news&quot;, thus not subject to equal-time restrictions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to pick on you Dennis:  it&#8217;s just that your bullet points are a bit more focused and thus easier to debate with&#8230;</p>
<p><i>1. Limiting the campaign season to the six months leading up to the election.</i></p>
<p>As incumbents, current officeholders will be able to use the tools at their disposal to &#8220;campaign&#8221; without actually breaking laws.  (Photo ops, Town Halls, etc.)  Besides, we all know that candidates will be doing the same amount of fundraising, only telling their doners &#8220;Don&#8217;t send the check now. Send it in 12 months&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><i>3. 527&#8217;s are welcome to produce all of the advocacy ads they want (Within the six month window.) but they must also pay for an equal amount of ads in the same media markets espousing the opposing view.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll NEVER get 527&#8217;s to go along with this.  Plus, you&#8217;re forcing groups to spend ads to promote ideas they don&#8217;t agree with.  It doesn&#8217;t sound like it passes the Constitutionality test.</p>
<p><i>4. Television and radio outlets to provide each candidate with equal blocks of time as a public service.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a law on the books now.  But media outlets get around it by calling it &#8220;news&#8221;, thus not subject to equal-time restrictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Wellstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wellstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is multiple:

1.  Legislators spend all their time campaigning for re-election, especially in the House.

2.  Money talks.  Those with big money like corporations and unions and the rich talk the loudest.

3.  Lobbyists and special interests argue that their freedom of speech rights and freedom of petition rights are infringed by amy attempt at regulation.



ANSWERS:

1.  Term changes:  To 4 yrs in the House.

2.  Term Limits: 3 terms for the House, 2 terms in the Senate.

3.  Public funding, as Paul Begala wrote:

&lt;b&gt;The incumbent is GUARANTEED in public funds whatever the challenger raises.   Incumbent may not use his own funds nor accept any but the smallest campaign gifts nor contributions.&lt;/b&gt;

4.  Money raised by 527&#039;s, 503(c)&#039;s, and all PAC&#039;s on behalf of challengers, as well as challengers&#039; own funds are matched dollar-for-dollar out of a General Election fund and given to incumbent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is multiple:</p>
<p>1.  Legislators spend all their time campaigning for re-election, especially in the House.</p>
<p>2.  Money talks.  Those with big money like corporations and unions and the rich talk the loudest.</p>
<p>3.  Lobbyists and special interests argue that their freedom of speech rights and freedom of petition rights are infringed by amy attempt at regulation.</p>
<p>ANSWERS:</p>
<p>1.  Term changes:  To 4 yrs in the House.</p>
<p>2.  Term Limits: 3 terms for the House, 2 terms in the Senate.</p>
<p>3.  Public funding, as Paul Begala wrote:</p>
<p><b>The incumbent is GUARANTEED in public funds whatever the challenger raises.   Incumbent may not use his own funds nor accept any but the smallest campaign gifts nor contributions.</b></p>
<p>4.  Money raised by 527&#8217;s, 503(c)&#8217;s, and all PAC&#8217;s on behalf of challengers, as well as challengers&#8217; own funds are matched dollar-for-dollar out of a General Election fund and given to incumbent.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using this as a reference:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

1) Repeal the 12th Amendment

2) Revisit the 17th Amendment

3) Revisit the 25th Amendment

4) Propose a 28th Amendment &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;No candidate for the Congress, the Senate, or the Presidency, shall use funds, materiel, or personnel from ANY public office or agency {this subsumes the Hatch Act and nationalizes it} to support his or her candidacy.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using this as a reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html</a></p>
<p>1) Repeal the 12th Amendment</p>
<p>2) Revisit the 17th Amendment</p>
<p>3) Revisit the 25th Amendment</p>
<p>4) Propose a 28th Amendment<br />
<blockquote><i>No candidate for the Congress, the Senate, or the Presidency, shall use funds, materiel, or personnel from ANY public office or agency {this subsumes the Hatch Act and nationalizes it} to support his or her candidacy.</i></p></blockquote>
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