14 U.S. troops killed in Iraq in 48 hours
Fourteen U.S. troops have been killed in attacks over the past two days in Iraq — 12 soldiers and two Marines — according to the U.S. military.
In the deadliest attack, a roadside bomb struck a military vehicle on Thursday in northeastern Baghdad, killing five U.S. soldiers, three Iraqi civilians and an Iraqi interpreter.
A U.S. soldier and two civilians were wounded.
Also Thursday, a rocket-propelled grenade struck a U.S. military vehicle in northern Baghdad, killing a soldier and wounding three others.
On Wednesday, a roadside bomb killed two U.S. Task Force Marne troops and wounded four others southwest of Baghdad.
A similar attack in western Baghdad on Wednesday killed four U.S. soldiers and wounded a fifth.
In addition, two Marines were killed in combat operations in Iraq’s Anbar province on Wednesday.
With the deaths, 3,545 U.S. military personnel, including seven civilian employees of the Defense Department, have died in the Iraq war — 68 of them in the month of June.
I’m curious if this is the sort of "progress" to be cited when congressional Democrats consider rolling over again for this crap stain of a president?
You’ll have to excuse me if I rely on accounts given by, say, Michael Yon, over your copy-and-paste keyboard-crumb laziness. 14 dead during a major military offensive? How incredibly shocking.
Thomas,
Just to clarify, if you would prefer to rely on Yon’s reporting are you suggesting that there’s something unreliable about the CNN story?
At the same time are you criticizing Oliver because he’s “cutting and pasting” a news report as if he “reported” it? Seems clear to me that Oliver has never posed as a “reporter.”
Just to clarify, if you would prefer to rely on Yon’s reporting are you suggesting that there’s something unreliable about the CNN story?
I don’t know about Thomas, but I wouldn’t trust CNN to report the outcome of a cockfight, especially if the winner was American.
ok so now frank has chimed in to suggest that he does not trust the numbers and accounts reported.
Anyone else on the right want to admit that they prefer to live in a fantasy world?
I’m fool for even going here …
but Frank, would you care to explain why the numbers and accounts in this CNN article should be viewed with suspicion?
June 6, 1944.
2500 dead in one day — bring the boys home. “The war is lost”.
Oh, wait…
That was the “good” war, where we beat Stalin’s major enemy, and in exchange for doing him that favor, he expressed his gratitude by locking down East Berlin, and turning eastern Europe into one big prison camp.
Iraq is like WWII in the way that I am just like Denzel Washington. We’re both black men in America but the similarities end there.
ok. So here’s a great example of why Frank is a moron. (Did we need anymore?)
He raises suspicions about the factual elements of a CNN article but when asked to explain why he does not trust the factual information presented, he attacks a characterization of those facts not found in the article itself.
Classic duck and dodge, Frank. Now would you like to actually address the question?
Huh? Did Frank just call Americans cocks? How unpatriotic!
Well, you can copy-and-paste from CNN and cluck dissaprovingly, or you can, you know, get the whole story IN CONTEXT. But, if you’re fine with news niblets, I guess that’s your thing.
Thomas,
What context are you referring to? The recent military offensive?
The biggest attack in the last 48 hours was not from some kind of fire fight or something. It was from a roadside bomb:
This kind of attack occurs day in day out in Iraq. The context of these numbers then isn’t some new offensive operation, it’s same old same old. Is it not?
From the NY Times:
So where the push is occurring only one soldier has been reported killed so far. How does that jibe with your assessment: “14 dead during a major military offensive? How incredibly shocking.”
Michael Yon, incidentally, posted from Baqubah on the 20th about operation Arrowhead Ripper and reported:
But he doesn’t mention any of the other US casualties that occurred in the last 48 hours. So if you’re just reading Yon you would have no idea what was going in the rest of the country in the last 48 hours. Some context, my friend.
I would assume that the rest of the country is just as fucked up as wherever Michael Yon is at the moment.
I got extra context here, want some?
If you don’t think 14 casualties are the result of a wider offensive, part of which Yon is writing about, there’s not much hope for that single neuron you have firing.
“If you don’t think 14 casualties are the result of a wider offensive, part of which Yon is writing about, there’s not much hope for that single neuron you have firing.”
Okay, now you’re not paying attention. The offensive is occurring in a very specific area of the country. The CNN report lists casualties from all over Iraq.
You said that when you want the big picture, the context, you go to Michael Yon. But Yon only reported on 1 of 14 casualties because Yon was only reporting from the area of the offensive.
The CNN story is the story with the wider context of what is happening in Iraq. What you fail to understand is that the offensive is localized and so is only part of a wider context. The offensive itself is not the context.
The bottom line is that if you read only Yon yesterday or today you would never have known about the other 13 casualties because Yon did not have access to the wider context which you claim he is the best source for.
Again, more deliberate ignorance on the part of the right.
Uhm … isn’t it the insurgents’ strategy “while you’re attacking us here, we’ll kill you over there.”
Um, yeah, I’m about as much a “part of the right” as your left testicle. But, I suppose my reading Michael Yon for a more complete picture of what’s going on in Iraq must make me akin to Dick Cheney to anonymous wanks like yourself who can’t think outside the “right/left” divide lest your fragile little worldview comes crashing down around you.
Then again, this is OliverWillis.com I’m commenting on. . . how foolish of me to imagine anything OTHER than unhinged political japing.
Now would you like to actually address the question?
Was there a question?
Or are we off to the races, Paul?
who cares if 14 troops are dead? Does it matter? NO it doesn’t matter.–billo
He raises suspicions about the factual elements of a CNN article but when asked to explain why he does not trust the factual information presented, he attacks a characterization of those facts not found in the article itself.
Paul was so afraid to display his connection to the blatant stupidity of this question that hid his name — his new tactic. Once I said he never asserts anything, but instead, only attacks, he was forced to leave his name off his postings.
But I digress.
Back to your stupid comment.
He raises suspicions about the factual elements of a CNN article
I wasn’t referring to the particulars of this article, but rather to their propensity for shading everything with an anti – American (read “liberal”) bias.
when asked to explain why he does not trust the factual information presented
Once again, Paul wants to know the answer to a question about something I never said. Sorry, try again.
So, let’s review. I didn’t say what Paul said I said.
But Paul wants to know why I said what he THINKS I said.
Next should follow some statement by Paul, that says something like, What else could have you meant? Of course that’s what you meant, etc., etc.
As to why I didn’t jump at the opportunity to play “Paul Plays Perry Mason” with you, the answer to that is simple: I went out.
Should I tell you where you I went, so you can insult me for a week, because you will construe that as permission to drag my personal life out in public?
Oliver:
There is at least one more similarity between the war in Iraq, and World War II, but I’ll tell you two:
1) In a war, sometimes the people on our side die. That is not a reason to quit and go home.
2) If we lose, we are in deep doo – doo.
Do you think that that is not so?
A few sentences of explanation would be nice.
“Once I said he never asserts anything, but instead, only attacks, he was forced to leave his name off his postings.”
um, Frank, I am asserting that information in the CNN article is reliable and that merely presenting facts in the manner they are presented does not automatically imply a political bias.
14 US soldiers died in Iraq in the last 48 hours. Does merely mentioning this fact require a political bias?
You suggest that you “wouldn’t trust CNN to report the outcome of a cockfight, especially if the winner was American.” Does this not imply that you would not trust CNN to report the true outcome? Afterall, you did not say you wouldn’t trust CNN to judge or evaluate the winner of a cockfight. You said “report” the outcome. So once again, when challenged you’ve completely changed you original statement. Some guts, Frank. Some guts.
As for Thomas, he’s no longer even trying to defend his original comment which was so belabored in its partisan hackery he couldn’t stick with it for than two posts in the face of the actual facts.
You guys are just priceless. A bunch of idiots the lot of you.
Some guts, Frank. Some guts.
Says the douchebag posting anonymously…
yeah, between posting a nickname and anonymously i see the huge fucking difference in courage.
it’s nice how you guys are so quick to overlook the obvious factual errors of each others posts in order to seize upon utter irrelevancies …
seriously, if accountability were your big thing drone, why in the hell are defending Frank? A guy so completely dislodged from reality he could maintain a consistent position if his life depended on it? He’s a paranoid nut, but somehow he’s got your ear because he posts under his own name?
Jesus, drone, the guy doesn’t seem to get that the internet is a public arena.
“Should I tell you where you I went, so you can insult me for a week, because you will construe that as permission to drag my personal life out in public?”
Let’s just breakdown the crazy here for a second.
Frank is saying that if he tells me, in this thread, where he went this afternoon (what a tease!) and later in the week I mention this trip in another thread, i would be the one who “dragged his personal life out into the public.”
Crazy enough for you?
So once again, when challenged you’ve completely changed you original statement. [Go,Perry {Paulie}! Go!]
Crazy enough for you?
Paulie, aka frameone, aka Mr Pipeline
No, how’s this for crazy? If I tell you where I went this afternoon, you will construe that as permission to search all over the Internet for information about me, then bring it up here, for days at a time, all the while protesting that you did nothing wrong because it was on the Internet, and I “asked for it” by not concealing any and all information from your prying eyes, despite its irrelevance.
Sort of like my typing, “What does a guy who types movie reviews for Rotten Tomatoes know about (pick a topic)?” in front every comment of yours
On that note, I’m looking to buy a copy of Polanski’s Cul de sac
Any ideas?
Finally,
14 US soldiers died in Iraq in the last 48 hours. Does merely mentioning this fact require a political bias?
Um, no.
it’s nice how you guys are so quick to overlook the obvious factual errors of each others posts in order to seize upon utter irrelevancies …
Without a beverage alert?
“If I tell you where I went this afternoon, you will construe that as permission to search all over the Internet for information about me, then bring it up here, for days at a time, all the while protesting that you did nothing wrong because it was on the Internet, and I “asked for it” by not concealing any and all information from your prying eyes, despite its irrelevance.”
I rest my case.
“Um, no.”
So what part of the CNN article linked to suggested this political bias you were referencing? And if it didn’t display evidence of a political bias, WTF were you even talking about?
I rest my case.
In view of the fact that that is exactly what happened only a few days ago, and you instigated it, I strongly suggest you rest your case. I call it “Quitting while you’re behind”.
So, Mr. Pipeline, alias Paulie, alias frameone, alias “Perry Mason” wannabe, I guess what you’re saying is that one true report from CNN is proof positive that there is no bias at CNN. I think no further comment is required.
I’m repeating my request:
I’m looking to buy a copy of Polanski’s Cul de sac
Any ideas?
An interesting video, just to try (in vain, I know) to wrestle this thread back towards the subject of Iraq.
“I guess what you’re saying is that one true report from CNN is proof positive that there is no bias at CNN.”
And yet it remains a true accounting of the last 48 hours in Iraq, an accouting totally scoffed at by two right wing hacks who pretend to seriousness …
Idiots.
2) If we lose, we are in deep doo – doo.
No, only the people like you who pushed for this war in the first place, when history shows that they were, and are, full of shit.
“2) If we lose, we are in deep doo – doo.”
You’ve already lost, Frank. You lost when you let Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld in charge.
As for Cul de Sac, I think the only versions available are PAL format, or at least non-NTSC. If you have a region free dvd player with video conversion hardware (built in or external), then you’re set. Otherwise, search bit torrent and hope someone with really eclectic taste has gone ahead and ripped an NTSC copy (not likely). You’d be better served if you checked out the AVS forums.
I know return you to your original broadcast program.
Paulie, It was on IsoHunt / BitTorrent. Thanks for the lead.
Clem, there may be such a thing as “already lost” when you’re in the midst of a war in Canada, but not in the U.S. of A.
I’m always asked, “What’s victory?”
I ask you, “What’s defeat?”
The troops come home, and the terrorists are so happy with our display of good will that they convert to Sufism, and spend the rest of their lives as Whirling Dervishes?
SorryBill, I thought Paulie was answering for Mr Pipeline.
Does that mean you are Mr Pipeline, or were you answering for him?
Anyway, thanks
Frank disappearing up his ass in confusion again.
“Clem, there may be such a thing as ‘already lost’ when you’re in the midst of a war in Canada, but not in the U.S. of A.”
We have a better win percentage than you do. But don’t let that get in way of your prejudices.
(I’d like to point out that your prejudices are further proof that you are an evil man and all of the shit you get here, you deserve twice as much.)
“I’m always asked, ‘What’s victory?’”
Have you ever answered that question?
“I ask you, ‘What’s defeat?’”
There are a number of signs you have been defeated. For instance, an increased level of terrorist activity, both worldwide and in Iraq is one.
Also, training and giving weapons to the people who are trying to kill you is another sign.
However, the biggest key is the total lack of a plan for victory. If you don’t have a plan for victory, you can only have defeat.
The heroic frank has never served his country in uniform. So, fuck off, pussy.
merlallen: My offer still stands — I will send you proof of my service in Vietnam for cash, certified check, or money order for $100.
Anytime.
This is the third time I have made the offer, you lying sack of shit.
Clem, as for my “prejudice” about Canada:
prej·u·dice n. 1. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
2. A preconceived preference or idea.
I’ve been to Canada. I loved it there. I had no adverse judgment in advance. And I certainly have evidence – you are evidence that Canada sucks. Of course, it is always possible that you are truly unique. In that case, I am mistaken. The only arrogant, pretentious, self – absorbed, obnoxious prick in Canada could be you.
In that case, Canada, je vous présente mes excuses.
“I had no adverse judgment in advance. And I certainly have evidence – you are evidence that Canada sucks.”
Wow, that was a pathetic excuse to cover your bigotry.
Frank, in all seriousness, you are everything you hate in me and the people you attack here.
Get psycology help. Maybe one day your family will actually respect you enough to visit and you won’t have to be such a lonely loser.
I don’t think anyone is at all surprised that when Frank starts to lose he resorts to attacking your nationality.
I love Canada. If the Tories get in and privatise the NHS, I’m moving there and I’m totally serious.
Clem, you can’t even spell psychology. How can you advise anyone about it?
“Bigotry” is such an overused word. I was, I admit, mistaken about Canada. The only thing that sucks about Canada, to my knowledge, is you.
As for my self – hatred, let me explain something simple enough for even you to understand. If it were possible for me to possess the characteristics and behaviors that I hate (which you claim I see in you, but you do not possess), then wouldn’t I see those characteristics in everyone?
Let’s say I possess characteristics X, Y, and Z. They are negative, I see them in you, and I hate you for it. But YOU don’t possess those qualities, right? I do, right?
Ok, then, why don’t I hate everybody? Even in this blog there are people I don’t hate. There are people in this blog that I disagree with that I don’t hate. There are people in this blog that I am sure I don’t like, but I don’t hate them.
And, of course, there are people, literally all over the world that I don’t hate.
You have put your finger on a pathology all right, but it’s the wrong one. People who can’t even conceive that they are disliked are called narcissistic.
I would never diagnose at a distance, but your posts, and attitude towards me, are evidence of narcissism.
I’m glad frank has found yet one more little tangent to scurry down …
Shut up, Nimrod!
What? I like Canada.
I’m glad frank has found yet one more little tangent to scurry down …
That doesn’t mean you didn’t write this.
And, if you didn’t, shut up, anyway!
“As for my self – hatred, let me explain something simple enough for even you to understand. If it were possible for me to possess the characteristics and behaviors that I hate (which you claim I see in you, but you do not possess), then wouldn’t I see those characteristics in everyone?”
You do, Frank. You attack everyone here. It’s just I respond to your posts more often than the rest.
“People who can’t even conceive that they are disliked are called narcissistic.”
Actually, that’s not the case. Narcissism is merely self-love, and not in the Palm Sisters kind of way, (although there can be a sexual aspect to it). Simply put, narcissism is nothing more than having a big ego, which I’ve admitted to. I’ve also admitted to being an asshole, which further destroys your argument.
“I would never diagnose at a distance”
You just did, Frank. But you did it in a way that would allow you to pretend you didn’t. Plausible deniability so you can fool yourself into thinking you are better than you are. That’s the root of your problems.
You attack everyone here
a) No I don’t.
b) I don’t attack people everywhere, a point that you overlooked, because it spoiled your mockery of a thesis.
c)There is more to narcissism than self – love, which we who have studied the DSM – IV, and can spell the word “psychology” know.
d) The reason I said I would never diagnose at a distance, is because I would not — and did not. I said you exhibited evidence of narcissism. That is not a diagnosis, as we who have studied the DSM – IV, and can spell the word “psychology” know.
And, finally, the punchline: Plausible deniability so you can fool yourself into thinking you are better than you are. That’s the root of your problems.
And say goodbye to self – hatred.
You know the saying: Keep your day job. Mental health is not your thing.
d) The reason I said I would never diagnose at a distance, is because I would not — and did not. I said you exhibited evidence of narcissism. That is not a diagnosis, as we who have studied the DSM – IV, and can spell the word “psychology” know.
So…you’re saying that you prognose at a distance? Oh yeah, that’s SO much freaking better.
Zython: You don’t know what you are talking about.
A diagnosis is a guess at what’s wrong with a person, based on evidence.
As you accumulate evidence you approach a diagnosis. If a person exhibits one behavior, such as a belief that Jesus speaks to him through the television set on a regular basis, that is a visual hallucination.
That usually is evidence of psychosis.
It is usually evidence of schizophrenia.
But do we take that evidence and diagnose that person?
No. We say, there is evidence of psychotic schizophrenia.
When the blood tests come back we discover that he has taken huge doses of LSD and MDMA.
That changes everything.
Got it?
Good.
Glad to be of service.
Huh, I looked it up, and you were right in-so-far about what diagnosises and prognosises are. Now, I think that you WERE, in fact, diagnosing from a distance there, but I’ll leave that for some other time.
Like a give a shit…
Like a give a shit…
I sometimes wonder how you all don’t give YOURSELVES a headache. Both sides of the argument solve nothing…..Jesus….
Me: “You attack everyone here”
Frank: “a) No I don’t.”
Okay, so you probably haven’t attacked SaveFarris, but you attack everyone who responds for more than a handful of your posts.
If you got into a debate with Ghandi, he’d be driven to violence within half-an-hour.
“b) I don’t attack people everywhere, a point that you overlooked, because it spoiled your mockery of a thesis.”
No. It’s a claim I can neither confirm nor deny, cause I don’t know you from anywhere else.
Who knows, maybe this is the only place you go where people disagree with you. Hell, it’s probably the only place where people talk to you.
If I was your grandson and you called me, I’d tell you to fuck off and then hang up.
“c)There is more to narcissism than self – love, which we who have studied the DSM – IV, and can spell the word “psychology” know.”
What you described could also be delusions of grandeur. Narcissism is definitely different.
On a side note, harping on the spelling error is a Style over Substance fallacy, and you are losing credibility each time you do it.
“d) The reason I said I would never diagnose at a distance, is because I would not — and did not.”
Wow. More weasel words and plausible deniability.
I caught you doing exactly what you attacked me for doing, (thus piling more evidence for the self-hate theory). Your splitting of hairs doesn’t change that.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/rudy-giulianis-.html
Frank | Jun 23, 2007 2:16:24 PM
“http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/06/rudy-giulianis-.html
Frank | Jun 23, 2007 2:16:24 PM”
Short Frank: IGNORE ME!
… Somebody left a baby.