Frank: “What you found was a citation that could be used by pro-abortion people to support their cause.
Hence, Shakespeare’s famous line: “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.”

And there’s a reason for that, Frank. The bible isn’t the word of god, but merely the writings of hundreds of men over thousands of years. Men with political goals that affected what they wrote. It is no more useful in determining morality than MacBeth.

Cause it’s the book you base you morality on. It is the book that every Christian bases their morality on.

I’m just pointing out that even in the Bible you can find a pro-Choice message.

That’s either inconsistent, contradictory, or hypocritical.

I didn’t mention the Bible, you did. Are you telling you brought up the Bible for no reason?

So are you telling me you don’t use the Bible as a source for morality?

The same verses that attack homosexuality attack shellfish. You don’t see Fred Phelps picketing Red Lobster.

The Bible is a long book that was written by dozens, and perhaps hundreds of men over 1000+ years. It is full of contradictions and vagueness and you can quote from it to justify any action you want. Which is why you should never quote from it for anything.

Any book that says every life is sacred and you should kill 1000 virgins as a sacrafice to god is worthless when it comes to morality.

What the hell are you talking about? Your ilk does it with opposition to homosexuality all thie time.

That’s right, Frank. You don’t care, you’ve already made up your mind and nothing will change it. A book that says the punishment for raping an unbetrothed woman is marriage trumps all other considerations when it comes to morality.

“You can talk about Internet entertainment all you want, Clem, but you don’t know Jack about the Bible.”

I know the punishment for swearing at your parents is death.

I know it says you can murder 100 people and still get into heaven, but if you are a male-female transexual you can never get it.

I’ve read the Bible, that’s why I am an atheist.

The “sperm / egg” argument is bogus for two reasons. First of all, God is omniscient, and is therefore aware of the future of those eggs and sperm cells.
Second, it requires conception for the life making process to begin.

Two other points worth pointing out. There is now a process in existence to recreate blastocyte like tissue. Using embryos is no longer required.

One more thing: I don’t care for the “when does life begin?” argument anymore. I assume that life exists in the womb.

But, setting that aside, the end result of pregnancy is childbirth. We have no right — not men or women — to thwart that process.

You can talk about Internet entertainment all you want, Clem, but you don’t know Jack about the Bible.

Frank: “Straw man! Straw man!”

Prove it.

“As to the Exodus citation, anyone who knows anything about Bible study, or for that matter, the interpretation of any literature, knows that you don’t take one sentence out of a work, and say IT somehow outweighs the meaning of several other excerpts from all over the same work.”

I’m not, Frank. The Bible is clear. The unborn are property. Children are property. Wives are property.

You ignore all of that cause you think a fetus is a man’s property and worth more than the woman it’s in.

As to the Exodus citation, anyone who knows anything about Bible study, or for that matter, the interpretation of any literature, knows that you don’t take one sentence out of a work, and say IT somehow outweighs the meaning of several other excerpts from all over the same work.

Those web sites barely scratch the surface of the Biblical support for opposition to abortion.

But you keep waving that verse around.

Frank: “I’m glad you cleared that up. You’re wrong, you ignorant bastard.”

Nope. According to the bible ‘killing’ the unborn is a property crime.

Frank: “The person in the bible citation is not even accused of murdering the child.
And, you conveniently left out the next verse: But if she is seriously injured, the payment will be life for life”

Oh my god! Fucking hell, Frank, you just proved my point.

‘Killing’ the fetus is a property crime worthy of just a fine. Killing the mother is murder punishable by death. And it can’t even be a property crime if the woman asks for the procedure to be done. (Unless you are going to claim it is the man who gets to make these decisions. And I’d love the anti-abortion movement to be that transparent in their claims.)

As for you fucking links, they are full of the same bullshit logic.

Link: ‘God knew this person before he was born. Therefore life begins and conception.’

However, the Bible states that god knew Samson before he was conceived. Does that mean every sperm and eggs are living people who can be murdered? If so, every man is a mass murdered and every woman is a serial killer.

The Bible is the Bible. I don’t care if you accept it or not (although I suspect you accept none of it, and this is all bullshit).

You’re trying to defend CSS’s incorrect statement, and you don’t even know what Biblical references he intended to use. You have classified one third of the citations as “grasping at straws” without support, and you claim that the Bible contradicts itself without support.

Give it up while you are way behind.