Considering our current website, you should drop your standards several orders of magnitude. This here isn’t exactly Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Well, Dale Franks, why didn’t you know? Wouldn’t the UN inspectors’ reports convince anyone more than half-witted that it was highly improbable that there were any CBN weapons or programs? And wouldn’t letting them finish … oh, then there would have been no excuse to invade.

The whole line of bullshit he’s spinning is designed to do one thing (or so he thinks)- “trap” liberals into sharing responsibility for this disaster. Nope, sorry. It’s theirs. Me? I thank God for the fact that black enlistment in the armed services is down by 50%, hope it goes down even more, and mostly concern myself with other things. I really don’t have a dog in the fight:).

At least, that’s what Milhouse told me.

My gut says that the “war on terror” is really a means of increasing terrorism in order to create the need for never-ending war. I mean, the Bush regime is either doing it on purpose, or they are the biggest bunch of idiots to be in charge of anything, ever.

So which is it? Are they criminally insane, or insanely criminal? Only time will tell, but either way, we’re screwed.

Nice. Start with condescension and work down from there.

“If the Alliance is killing al-Qaedians in prodigious numbers, they are not getting stronger.

fd10801 (and everyone else), I strongly recommend that you read Al Qaeda Strikes Back from the current issue of Foreign Affairs. It explains in great detail how Bush’s illegal unnecessary war against a country that was no threat to us (Iraq) has totally fucked us. Totally. Fucked. Us.

For example, “Al Qaeda is a more dangerous enemy today than it has ever been before.”

That’s pretty plain.

Also, “The U.S. invasion of Iraq took the pressure off al Qaeda in the Pakistani badlands and opened new doors for the group in the Middle East. It also played directly into the hands of al Qaeda leaders by seemingly confirming their claim that the United States was an imperialist force, which helped them reinforce various local alliances.”

Bush’s Iraq war helped Al Qaeda.

And: “Al Qaeda and Iran both want Washington to remain bogged down in the quagmire. Al Qaeda has openly welcomed the chance to fight the United States in Iraq.”

There’s more, Frank. Lots more. Read it and weep. You are wrong about the Iraq war. In fact, if wrong was money, you’d be a millionaire. Bush’s Iraq war has helped Al Qaeda. Staying the course will help Al Qaeda. A war with Iran would help Al Qaeda.

Just who the fuck does Bush work for? It sure doesn’t seem to be us.

Well, in all honesty, that buck hasn’t stopped anywhere near there since Reagan.

Frank: Sun Tsu was a liberal appeaser.

You intelligence organizations disagree with you.

“a) They are losing support from the “sea of civilians”in which they used to swim.”

Prove it.

“b) They may be regrouping here and there, but they are hardly getting stronger.”

Again, the experts disagree with you.

“c) I don’t think things changed too much since I was in the military: When your enemy is planting explosive devices and running away, and blowing himself up, that is not a sign of strength.”

You are dealing with people who don’t think like you and until you understand your enemy, you can never defeat them. Suicide attacks are not done out of desperation, they are done for religious and cultural reasons. Check out Suicde Killers for proof of that.

“In Vietnam, the enemy could carry on ambushes at will, and they were very effective, but when confronted with any force beyond that of a patrol, their “tactic” was to run away.”

And Sun Tzu would have been proud of them. It was a tactic that worked.

“Despite the fact that North Vietnam took a staggering 2,000,000 casualties (imagine Vancouver, BC), America was sold on the idea that we were losing.”

Oh dear god. Killing people doesn’t mean you are willing. You have to accomplish tactical and strategic goals to win. It’s thinking like this that is why the United States is losing in Iraq.

“Guess where the North Vietnamese got their will to go on? Let’s just say it wasn’t the Republican Party platform.”

I’d love to hear your take on this. I assume from what you wrote so far that the North Vietnamese got their strength from Anti-war activists in the West and not the desire to defend their nation from foreign invaders.

This makes no sense. How does more death decrease the perceived validity of their cause? As you pointed out in point ‘c’, they’re more than willing to die for their cause either way.

b) They may be regrouping here and there, but they are hardly getting stronger.

Cite please? (and don’t link to WND or Insta, or any crap like that).

c) I don’t think things changed too much since I was in the military: When your enemy is planting explosive devices and running away, and blowing himself up, that is not a sign of strength.

Problem here is different mindsets. It may not mean strength to YOU, but it does to them. The people that do this and their supporters believe that martyrdom is one of the greatest of virtues.

Despite the fact that North Vietnam took a staggering 2,000,000 casualties (imagine Vancouver, BC), America was sold on the idea that we were losing. Guess where the North Vietnamese got their will to go on? Let’s just say it wasn’t the Republican Party platform.

OOH OOH!! I know! They were angry at the fact that a foreign country had come in needlessly and killed 2 million of their people.

a) They are losing support from the “sea of civilians”in which they used to swim.
b) They may be regrouping here and there, but they are hardly getting stronger.
c) I don’t think things changed too much since I was in the military: When your enemy is planting explosive devices and running away, and blowing himself up, that is not a sign of strength.

In Vietnam, the enemy could carry on ambushes at will, and they were very effective, but when confronted with any force beyond that of a patrol, their “tactic” was to run away.

Despite the fact that North Vietnam took a staggering 2,000,000 casualties (imagine Vancouver, BC), America was sold on the idea that we were losing. Guess where the North Vietnamese got their will to go on? Let’s just say it wasn’t the Republican Party platform.

“Unless, of course, your name is Iraq.”

Two points:

1.) Al Qaeda wan’t a force in Iraq until you guys invaded. (Sure, they had some guys in Kurdistan, but that territory wasn’t controlled by Saddam at the time.)

2.) They are now getting stronger the longer you guys are there. If this is your idea of fighting them, thank god you pull out of Afghanistan.

Oliver: “Most importantly – not getting killed every day, secondly, providing support, etc. to us and our allies in the way that the military always has. The idea that well, they’re not doing anything so they should be occupying Iraq is just kind of silly.”

Me: How about fighting in Afghanistan, because if things don’t turn around, and soon, that war will be lost as well.