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Jimmy Carter’s got to chuckle to himself when he sees this:
The White House on Sunday fired back at former President Jimmy Carter, calling him “increasingly irrelevant” a day after Carter described George W. Bush’s presidency as the worst in history in international relations.
That’s right, former President Carter is so irrelevant that the White House had to issue a specific and personal attack against him. I don’t know about you but I would love to be that irrelevant.
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Oh God, here comes the circlejerk now
CARTER CARTER OMG HELICOPTERS HOSTAGE CRISIS MISERY INDEX OTHER THINGS THAT WOULDN’T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF CARTER WEREN’T A FAILED DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTER
President Carter is, of course, correct. This administration has been one long, slow, and continuing car wreck.
We’ll spend generations trying to undo the damage done by Young Master Bush.
President Carter is, of course, correct. This administration has been one long, slow, and continuing car wreck.
We’ll spend generations trying to undo the damage done by Young Master Bush.
Nimrod Gently: Please get that caps key fixed.
President Carter, who was the President when the War on Terror was declared against us in 1979, and who did nothing effective in response, should stick to his anti – semitic scribblings.
I thought the War on Terra’ started when the Beirut Embassy was bombed on Reagan’s watch and Reagan invaded Grenada in retaliation.
Enlightened Liberal: You were mistaken.
Bunnypants is the worst [technical] President since, what, Hayes? Drew Johnson? Ever? He’s demonstrably horrible in virtually every conceivable aspect.
But if you think he was a bad [technical] President, just wait. He’ll easily be the very worst Former President ever. Ever. It will be fascinating to see who’s willing to be seen with the guy. And poor Laura. You think the industrial stength Xanax is flowing now. Man, wait until she’s back on the booze and butts. It should prove to be quite the spectacle.
President Carter, who was the President when the War on Terror was declared against us in 1979, and who did nothing effective in response, should stick to his anti – semitic scribblings.
It didn’t help that Reagan conspired with Iran to hold the hostages until he was in a position to trade some arms for them.
I’m sure there are still people who think it was only a coincidence that the hostages were released when Reagan was inaugurated, even though Reagan later sold arms to the country that had declared that war on terror on us.
Does anyone have a better suggestion as to why Reagan made secret weapons deals with the country that had held our people hostage? Weren’t they supposed to be THE ENEMY? Didn’t you just say that Reagan’s buddies had “declared the war on teror on us?”
Reagan conspired in secret with our enemies, but CARTER was the “bad” president?
What color is the sky on your planet?
If it’s irrelevancy you want, imagine how much attention Bush’s views on public issues will attract 26 days after his presidency, never mind 26 years.
Democrats elect statesmen. Republicans elect mindless figureheads.
I’m sure the Iranians saw the beginning of the “war on terror” when they watched the U.S. subvert their elections and put them under the thumb of the Shah for decades.
Not to let Carter completely off the hook, he did initiate the Afghanistan/Soviet conflict, which continued under Reagan and which saw the rise of which prominent Saudi as the soon to be leader of al Qaeda? Somebody help me here. I forget myself sometimes, what with all the arms deals to Iran, the supplies and training for Nicaraguan “freedom fighters,” the weapons and chemical sales to Iraq (that would be Saddam…hey didn’t we have a hand in installing him, too….hmmmm….), the double dealing in the Iran/Iraq war (we did sell to both sides), and on it goes.
Yup, it’s all Carter’s fault.
The anti-semitic Carter who brokered the Camp David Accords.
That Carter.
Shorter White House:
“What would you know about it? Have you ever been the President?”
President Carter, who was the President when the War on Terror was declared against us in 1979,
Dude! The “War on Terror” was declared against us?
Haw!
This wingnut lackwit either attended one of those evangelical ‘universities’ or went through a wingnut welfare seminar or two. He either thinks the basic natural principle of cause and effect is subordinate to GOP talking points, or he can’t count back to 1953. Maybe it’s all of the above.
OW, you might have to change the subtitle of your blog to “Bug Zapper to Stupid.”
Having issues with Israeli foreign policy does not make one anti-semitic. After all, not every Israeli agrees with Israeli government, but I doubt you’d be willing to call those people “anti-semitic.”
It’s called a shift key and it’s working perfectly. It’s called comic effect, as developed by Jeph Jacques via Jerkcity.
SpiderJ: Blaming Israel for Palestine’s condoning terrorist acts against Israel is hardly “having issues with Israeli foreign policy”.
I wonder how many Israelis would endanger Israel’s very existence by following Pres. Carter’s advice?
In fact, how many Israelis have endorsed his book, I wonder?
Church Secretary: Just because A happened before B, and B happened before C, doesn’t mean that A caused C.
It was President Carter that tossed the Shah to the wolves, and it was contemporary Iranians who held American hostages for over a year.
And, Repack, we are not discussing the color of the sky. It’s really time travel we are discussing here. On your planet, “Reagan conspired with Iran to hold the hostages until he was in a position to trade some arms for them”, before he was even President, and without being detected (except, of course, by you).
Not another Jay. What is that, four now?
“On your planet, “Reagan conspired with Iran to hold the hostages until he was in a position to trade some arms for them”, before he was even President, and without being detected”
That this happened is practically common knowledge now.
“Just because A happened before B, and B happened before C, doesn’t mean that A caused C.”
No, but it did, though, didn’t it? Besides, why was the Shah so great? Because he wasn’t a Muslim and he sucked up to the West?
“Blaming Israel for Palestine’s condoning terrorist acts against Israel is hardly “having issues with Israeli foreign policy”.”
No, that’s precisely what it is, albeit grossly oversimplified to make the cheap blow easier.
Radical Muslim I mean.
“… before he was even President, and without being detected”
The operative word is “before”, which makes his assertion nonsense. So it is neither knowledge nor common.
No, but it did, though, didn’t it?
No, it happened, and you think that the students of 1979, who who probably weren’t born in 1953, got their revenge.
No, that’s precisely what it is
Excuse me, but that is precisely what President Carter has been saying for years, in books, articles and op – eds: That it is Israel’s recalcitrance that is the roadblock to peace.
You’re saying that that is not his position?
Or are you saying that that is your position?
That it is Israel’s recalcitrance that is the roadblock to peace.
I wasn’t even talking about the rightness or wrongness of this position (although, just so it’s out there, my feeling is that both Israel and Palestine have plenty of their own distinct evils to counteract before anything even approaching peace can happen).
What I was talking about was the cheap, easy way some will cry “anti-Semite!” if anything is said to criticize Israel.
It is a nation, not a religion. It is a nation set up for the Jewish people but it is founded on human principles of government, not the strict dictates of the Torah or Talmud.
One can just as easily criticize Saudi Arabia without being “anti-Muslim,” and that IS a country attempting to found a nation strictly on a holy scripture.
Carter was, hands down, the worst president in US history. It ain’t even close. Look at the 22% misery index. Think about buying a home at 14% interest. Americans suffered under this pious yokel. Think about “malaise”. Think about the Iranian hostage crisis which Carter screwed up and Reagan solved immediately. And now poor Jimmy admits he screwed this up. “Maybe I was careless maybe I was misinterpreted.’
Maybe you are an abject senile, anti-semitic, totally incomeptent hate monger.
Look at a bunch of things I’D BE RIGOUROUSLY DEFENDING IF HE WAS A REPUBLICAN AND NOT A DEMOCRAT. And whatever you do DO NOT LOOK AT GEORGE W. BUSH OR ANYTHING RELATED TO HIS TIME IN OFFICE.
SpiderJ: It’s not a cheap, easy way for me. Number one, there are excellent reasons to support the idea that many, if not all, opponents of Israel, are anti – semitic. But let’s not argue that. I still believe that Pres, Carter is, was, and always will be, an anti – semite.
I wonder who Dugger, as viewed through Captain Subtext’s helmet might be:
1. Disagrees with Dugger
2. Heavy on the Caps Shift key
2. Spells rigorous “rigourous”
Dear Malkinboy: . Sequentially, the real world.
“The operative word is “before”, which makes his assertion nonsense”
Why? Because only Presidents can be corrupt?
“That it is Israel’s recalcitrance that is the roadblock to peace” – that has been a part of it lately: successive Israeli Governments not really wanting peace. They kicked out Ehud Barak for not being hard enough, remember. And look who they replaced him with: Ariel Sharon, Proactive Jew of the Year 2001, 2002 and 2003. Obviously it’s only a piece of the geopolitical mosaic, and Palestine can hardly be said to be the innocent victims of Israeli warmongering, but Israel since Rabin made a habit of dragging its heels, to say the least.
OH NOES I MUST BE AN ANTI-SEMITE I AM WORSE THAN HITLER OR DINNERJACKET OR SOMETHING
“No, it happened, and you think that the students of 1979, who who probably weren’t born in 1953, got their revenge.”
Hey, everyone! No-one cares about anything that happened before they were born! Not-Jay said so!
4. References UK sitcom in username.
5. Can count past 2.
It wasn’t intended to be a mystery, dumbass.
Because President Carter has written oh so many books on the elimination and subjugation of the Jewish people.
Is your position that Israel’s government and policy are infallible?
Moriarty: My name isn’t dumbass
Nimrod Gently: You can mash that Caps key like you’re losing at Super Mario Brothers, for all I care.
Most people who oppose a strong defense of Israel are anti – semitic.
You probably know less about Israeli politics than you do about American politics.
Now, remind me why I am so mean and cruel to you…
SpiderJ: I have no idea what the first sentence of your comment has to do with the second sentence, so I can’t answer your question.
Because you’re a twat? And it’s Nye BEVAN. BevIn was Ernest (who ironically enough WAS anti-Semitic). I know, you don’t care, but if you’re going to invoke great old British politicians in some surreal ploy to get a rise, then frankly you live by the sword, you die by the sword. At least I can spell Adlai Stevenson.
You’ll need to do better than some ten-cent Powerpoint presentation to…do ANYTHING, frankly.
I do admire your candor in admitting that you’re basically illiterate though. Don’t know how good an argument it is for you though.
Okay, I’ll ask the question separate of the other sentence.
Is your position that Israeli government and policy are infallible?
Please answer with “Yes” or “No” and explain. Linking to a Power Point presentation will not be accepted.
Think about the Iranian hostage crisis which Carter screwed up and Reagan solved immediately.
Reagan “solved” it even as he was being inaugurated?
Wow, he really was a superman, wasn’t he?
He must have been. It’s not as if there could have been anything underhanded about it. I mean he wasn’t even President yet.
“Carter was, hands down, the worst president in US history”
Really? James Buchanan caused the Civil War. Coolidge and Harding caused the Great Depression. Andrew Johnson was impeached. Hell, William Henry Harrison died in 30 days.
And yet all of these people are better than Carter. Whatever.
Is your position that Israeli government and policy are infallible?
SpiderJ: No,and I will start taking orders from you when you start taking orders from me
Care to elaborate on why?
And “Power Point presentations will not be accepted”?
Well, exsqeeze me!
I accept your pronouncements without links,corroboration or documentation.
I guess you liked the previous arrangement? You flame me, I flame you.
Great.
James Buchanan caused the Civil War [sic]. Coolidge and Harding caused the Great Depression [sic]. Andrew Johnson was impeached. Hell, William Henry Harrison died in 30 days.
And yet all of these people are better than {President Bush}
Whatever.
I said “please,” which most civilized people consider to be the identification of a request, not an order. But that’s neither here nor there.
I can only assume by your inability or disinclination to respond fully to a simple question that you have no explanation for your answer. You and I agree that the Israeli government is fallible, but I am likely an anti-semite for this view and you are not…for some reason.
fixed?
Quaker,
Perhaps you forget. As investigated by Speaker Foley and scrupulously documented by the aptly named Gary Sick, Reagan had Bush secretly fly over the ocean in an SR-71 and seal the deal before the inauguration – October Surprise, baby.
Actually, the hostages were released just after the inauguration – which was two months after the Gipper had been elected – by a landslide.
You could definitely make a case for Bush to be worse than those guys. In fact there’s a very strong case to be made for his being the worst President ever. I dunno. Franklin Pierce was terrible at the job. I’ve never been that impressed by Andrew Jackson. Ulysses S. Grant was almost the Carter of his day. But you look at the present incumbent and…there’s certainly a stronger argument for “Worst President Ever” than there is for his being any good at all.
Here is (maybe) the Gary Sick story that Dugger referred to.
This is the important part: “…individuals associated with the Reagan-Bush campaign of 1980 met secretly with Iranian officials to delay the release of the American hostages until after the Presidential election.”
“Hell, William Henry Harrison died in 30 days.”
I think a good many presidents could have taken lessons from WHH.
I can only assume by your inability or disinclination to respond fully to a simple question that you have no explanation for your answer
I am not responsible for your assumptions.
Most people who are “pro – Israel” view the Palestinians’ as mere variations of the theme of “driving Israel into the sea”.
This goal is the natural, desired conclusion of a long – standing Islamic – Jewish conflict.
Thus, people who sympathise with the Palestinian “position” are actually cooperating in the destruction of Israel, and hence, the Jews.
As for the “Worst President Ever”
Most people who are “pro – Israel” view the Palestinians’ as mere variations of the theme of “driving Israel into the sea”.
What?
They do indeed currently have George above Jimmy, but I can’t see that being permanent. He ain’t history yet, sadly. With a distant, critical historical eye on his presidency, he’ll drop from mid-table obscurity to the relegation zone. That’s not partisanship, he just really has been a terrible, terrible President.
Ol’ Gamaliel is currently bottom of the list, although since he effectively sabotaged the first incarnation of the UN, most people on the right probably consider him a hero.
I’m not even going to touch your little commentary on the Middle East. Silk purses and sow’s ears.
You get ‘em, nihilistic! Why look at this bit of clever skullduggery (good word, that) Reagan/Bush pulled off.
“After 12 years of news reports looking into the alleged conspiracy, both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries into the issue, and journalists from sources such as Newsweek and The New Republic looked into the charges. Both Congressional inquires, as well as the majority of investigative reports, found the evidence to be insufficient. Nevertheless, several individuals, most notably Lyndon LaRouche, continue to claim otherwise.”
But they didn’t fool you – or Lyndon laRouche!
Dugger, you believe in the “War on Christmas”. So put the stones down, and if possible stop talking and typing forever.
The Palestinians’ agenda
Sorry
I’m not even going to touch your little commentary on the Middle East
Thank goodness. It won’t be soiled.
You’ve grown quite feisty lately.. Voice changing and hair “down there”, is it?
I’ll accept your apology, which I assume is for existing at all. But what about the Palestinians’ agenda?
Thus, people who sympathise with the Palestinian “position” are actually cooperating in the destruction of Israel, and hence, the Jews.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. It is possible to sympathize with someone and at the same time not wish for the destruction of others.
As Spider J said, there’s enough asshattery on both sides to go around. Being critical of the Israeli government does not equal wanting Israel to disappear, Frank. anymore than being critical of the Bush White House means I want all Christians to die.
Bullshit.
That’s great, Duggster, an un-attributed quote. Make that one up yourself, did you?
How about another take on the actions of GHW Bush? Guess they didn’t fool Robert Parry either. (He broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek.)
Maybe you should temporally adjust your brain back to the time when you actually believed that Reagan could broker the release of the hostages in the first five minutes after his inauguration.
Not all Palestinians want Israel destroyed.
Not all Israelis want the Palestinians destroyed, either.
It will be a wonderful day when both sides realize these fundamental truths and decide that they’re done associating with their respective extremists and militants.
This may be tough to hear for people who wish the world were so easily divided into “good” and “evil,” because it means there’s no “right side” to pick in the conflict.
NG: For that matter, he also thought that Scooter Libby shouldn’t have been sent to jail for perjury.
So, yeah, he’s pretty much your typical regressive.
Actually, the hostages were released just after the inauguration – which was two months after the Gipper had been elected – by a landslide.
So what are you saying? That Reagan “solved” the crisis in the few minutes that he was President? Or that he did it before he was sworn in?
Not all Palestinians want Israel destroyed.
Right.
The ones who don’t hold their meetings in a phone booth outside the UN. That’s so they can close the door for privacy.
Right, so your position is that every single member of a certain race of people is an evil genocidaire-in-waiting. That’s your position. You just said that.
You can fuck off and never come back now.
Nimrod Gently: You have grown tiresome, and surely outlived whatever minuscule usefulness you have ever had here.
I have never derived the least bit of knowledge from one of your posts. Cumulatively, they have convinced me that if I were dying in England, I should crawl with my last breath into Wales.
You are a boil on the ass of this blog, and no more deserve to be here than the execrable “s” (which was probably you anyway) ever did.
footnote: The Palestinians are not a race, you gasbag.
“I have never derived the least bit of knowledge from one of your posts. Cumulatively, they have convinced me that if I were dying in England, I should crawl with my last breath into Wales.” I would love it if you did that. They would surely welcome you with open arms. They are a very accomadating people, the Welsh.
Not that there’s much to retort to (what do you think it implies that you have no reply to my accurate summary of your previous point except base insults and geographical ignorance*?), but I must ask, what are the Palestinians then? Cos they certainly ain’t a country.
*Wales is a province of England. You can crawl from one to the other, but it won’t make much difference to your condition. The people will speak a funny language at you and maybe set fire to you, but that’s it. They have the same free basic healthcare as a right, not a privilege as the rest of the country. Which by the way is called Britain. Not England. England is just one of its home nations. You wouldn’t call Germany “Prussia” or “Bavaria”.
And no, I’m not “S”. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY AGAINST YOU. YOU’RE JUST A JERK.
nihilist
Actually I’m happier if you and other progressives keep believing in the evil ol’ Reagan/Bush I conspiracy. By all means keep that faith.
Quaker
Who really knows what (or if) the Iranians thought. Reagan was elected in a landlside. Certainly worldwide he was viewed as a (disparagingly) “tough guy” president. I think its fair to guess that the Iranians thought he might do something “rash”. And anyway, it happened on the Gipper’s watch and he gets credit for it.
nimmer
Have to disagree with fd here:
“You are a boil on the ass of this blog,”
I think thats unfair. You are more like a boil on the scrotum of this blog. Glad to stick up for you, pal.
And anyway, it happened on the Gipper’s watch and he gets credit for it.
But 9/11, let us remember, is Clinton’s fault.
I must ask, what are the Palestinians then?
Since you seem to have no access to reference materials ( If England is distinguishable then I could go from England to Wales, couldn’t I? I am not entirely uneducated in that area, as you seem to be. My grandfather was born in Wales; my grandmother was born in England), I will give you one last bit of assistance:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/
“If England is distinguishable then”, should be “If England is distinguishable from Wales, then…”
Thank you, Dugger
You could go from England to Wales but it wouldn’t make any difference to the treatment you’d get if you were dying.
That’s a great site, What was your name. Should we be concerned that you’re getting your “facts” about Palestinians from a site run by these guys?
I’m just saying. Not entirely objective.
N D: Actually, no. I didn’t say I was getting my facts from that site.
I merely pointed N G to a site where he could find out about Palestine.
To the best of my knowledge there are other sites.
N D: I’d like to know where you got that information…
Oh, person who has no name so I don’t know who they are, I have my sources.
Like this.
I looked it up on Wikipedia. Palestinians are a people, maybe “race” isn’t the collective noun I was looking for, but the point is they’re all evil genocidal maniacs according to the Artist Formerly Known as Dated Reference.
Nimrod Gently: We can safely assume that are X amount of Palestinians who really wish for peace, and wouldn’t favor the destruction of Israel.
But it is my firm belief, which I am certain no one here is prepared to dispute, that they have no say in the politics of the Palestinian power structure.
N D: Very useful. I never used WhoIs for that purpose before.
What were you using it for?
Considering that Hamas definitively won the last election, progessive Palestinians are probably in the majority right now, true. You put this insight in far more contemptuous tones though.
I traced IP’s , not domains
progressive Palestinians are probably in the majority right now, true
Don’t you mean “minority”.
Funny, how you view the results of elections as very important when the people you favor win. The secret to a Democratic Republic is that we back the winner, whoever it is (at least conservatives do).
Yes, I mean minority. Apart from the typo, what possibly makes you think I support Hamas?
Might Be Frank: “The secret to a Democratic Republic is that we back the winner, whoever it is (at least conservatives do).
This is a joke, right? You’ve heard of The Arkansas Project, right?
If it was a joke, then it’s funny. If it wasn’t, then it’s really funny.
N D: And you’re familiar with 6 years of non – stop Bush bashing right here, for example?
Your point is? (Like I care)
Because he’s a terrible president! We’re not going to pretend otherwise just because he won (which he didn’t, even, the first time anyway)!
N G: I could say, “What do you mean ‘We’?”, but I won’t.
I could remind you that Bush – bashing began in 1999, before he was President.
I’m sure this will amaze you, but I thought Pres. Clinton was a terrible President. He did nothing but respond to polls, and disgraced the Presidency.
Secondly, if you still think Gore won in 2000, then you and Al Gore and two or three boneheads that inhabit this blog are the only ones.
I remind you, as I have reminded so many, that a TEAM of investigative reporters got together in 2001, and determined, based on ALL the EVIDENCE, that Pres. Bush won fairly and squarely.
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