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		<title>By: tyhgd odwteqxu</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rqxpit rwkxeo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 04:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, when I first saw Frank claim that Hitler was a leftist, I thought, "Wow.  Not even Dugger would say something that utterly off base."

But then he claimed that Hitler and Stalin were essentially the same.

And yet only one was History's Greatest Monster.

Can any of the regressives here tell the rest of us which side that one was on?

Because if history serves, he was on the right.

Now get the fuck out of my class.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, when I first saw Frank claim that Hitler was a leftist, I thought, &#8220;Wow.  Not even Dugger would say something that utterly off base.&#8221;</p>
<p>But then he claimed that Hitler and Stalin were essentially the same.</p>
<p>And yet only one was History&#8217;s Greatest Monster.</p>
<p>Can any of the regressives here tell the rest of us which side that one was on?</p>
<p>Because if history serves, he was on the right.</p>
<p>Now get the fuck out of my class.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Frank, what an absolutely meangingless final comment. Thanks for contributing ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Frank, what an absolutely meangingless final comment. Thanks for contributing &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am only going to say one more thing, so that you can, if you wish, attempt to discuss whether there is anything about Republicans that resembles the Nazis, and get over bashing me.

Trust me, you have no need to be concerned about how I feel about, but you are wasting your time, and I do not plan to post to, or even read, this thread again.

All of the Communists' enemies   were not on the right. The politics in Germany during the "between the wars" era makes Italy's look like a stable, two - party system. All of the Nazis' enemies were not on the left.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am only going to say one more thing, so that you can, if you wish, attempt to discuss whether there is anything about Republicans that resembles the Nazis, and get over bashing me.</p>
<p>Trust me, you have no need to be concerned about how I feel about, but you are wasting your time, and I do not plan to post to, or even read, this thread again.</p>
<p>All of the Communists&#8217; enemies   were not on the right. The politics in Germany during the &#8220;between the wars&#8221; era makes Italy&#8217;s look like a stable, two - party system. All of the Nazis&#8217; enemies were not on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And dugger, the right at the time in Germany were not a bunch of free market, flat tax advocates. They were the monarchists, the artistocrats, deposed from power by the coming of liberal reforms culminating in the Weimar Republic. Hitler allied himself with the old, pre-Weimar regime. Nazis were definitely considered to be a party of the right in Germany at the time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And dugger, the right at the time in Germany were not a bunch of free market, flat tax advocates. They were the monarchists, the artistocrats, deposed from power by the coming of liberal reforms culminating in the Weimar Republic. Hitler allied himself with the old, pre-Weimar regime. Nazis were definitely considered to be a party of the right in Germany at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>z adura is absolutely correct.
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also simply add that Hitler used the Reichstag fire in Feb 1933 as an excuse to ban the Communist Party and arrest its members:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Four thousand Communists inclulding virutally the entire party leadership were immediately arrested, beaten up, tortured and thrown into newly created concentration camps. There was no let up in the campaign of violence and brutality in the weeks that followed. By the end of march the Prussian police reported over 20,000 Communists were in prison. By the summer over 100,000 communists, Social Democrats, trade unionists and others had been arrested, with even official estimates putting the number of death in custody at 600. All of this was sanctioned by an emergency decree signed by Hindenburg the night after the fire suspending civil liberties and allowing the cabinet to take any necessary measures to protect public saftey." p11-12, Evans&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All of which is to say, that the nazis moved fast to wrap the violence and thuggery that brought them to power in the mantle of officialdom and state authority. This power was directed at their political enemies with the greatest force in the beginning. The Nazis moved fast as well to implement laws against the Jews, the handicapped, homosexuals etc., that's clear as well, but the first people to end up in Nazis concentration camps were communists, social democrats, labor activists etc. They were the guinea pigs for the system of extermination to come.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also simply add that Hitler used the Reichstag fire in Feb 1933 as an excuse to ban the Communist Party and arrest its members:</p>
<blockquote><p>Four thousand Communists inclulding virutally the entire party leadership were immediately arrested, beaten up, tortured and thrown into newly created concentration camps. There was no let up in the campaign of violence and brutality in the weeks that followed. By the end of march the Prussian police reported over 20,000 Communists were in prison. By the summer over 100,000 communists, Social Democrats, trade unionists and others had been arrested, with even official estimates putting the number of death in custody at 600. All of this was sanctioned by an emergency decree signed by Hindenburg the night after the fire suspending civil liberties and allowing the cabinet to take any necessary measures to protect public saftey.&#8221; p11-12, Evans</p></blockquote>
<p>All of which is to say, that the nazis moved fast to wrap the violence and thuggery that brought them to power in the mantle of officialdom and state authority. This power was directed at their political enemies with the greatest force in the beginning. The Nazis moved fast as well to implement laws against the Jews, the handicapped, homosexuals etc., that&#8217;s clear as well, but the first people to end up in Nazis concentration camps were communists, social democrats, labor activists etc. They were the guinea pigs for the system of extermination to come.</p>
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		<title>By: z adura</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To bring this issue back into focus, certain elements on the Right are blaming Democrats for not supporting the war effort.  They are -- among other themes -- using a well-established Nazi propaganda device.  I personally find that offensive and unamerican and have sent a letter of protest to IBD for that reason.  So long as this kind of imagery remains in the  financial press, where it is a toothless tiger, there is nothing to be concerned with.  It is only when we get some demented demagogue like Savage or Hannity that there is reason to be concerned.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To bring this issue back into focus, certain elements on the Right are blaming Democrats for not supporting the war effort.  They are &#8212; among other themes &#8212; using a well-established Nazi propaganda device.  I personally find that offensive and unamerican and have sent a letter of protest to IBD for that reason.  So long as this kind of imagery remains in the  financial press, where it is a toothless tiger, there is nothing to be concerned with.  It is only when we get some demented demagogue like Savage or Hannity that there is reason to be concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank yo are anabsolute dipshit moron:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;b&gt;The Third Reich's elaborate apparatus pf policiing and repressions was directed in the first place at hunting down and apprehedning Nazism's enemies withing Germany. Organized opposition to Nazism was offered only by the Communists and the Social Democrats in the early years of the dictatorship.&lt;/b&gt; The left-wiong political parties had won 1.3 million votes in Germany's last fully free election, in November 1932, to the Nazis' 11.7 million. They represented a huge chun of the German electorate. Yet they had no effective means of standinfg up to Nazi violence. Their entire apparatuse, along with that of their paramilitary wings, the "red Fron-Fighters League and the Reichsbanner, and associated origanizations such as the trade unions, was ruthlessly swept aside in the first months of 1933, their leaders exiled or imprisonned, their millions of members and supporters, many of them looking back on a lifetimes; commitment to the cause, isolated and disoriented. Former activists were placed under more or less permanent surrveilance, shadowed, their correspondence and contacts monitored. Divided, mutually hostile and taken by sruprise at the speed and ruthlessness of the Nazis seizure of pwoer, they were initially helpless and uncertain how to act." p. 55 The Third Reich in Power, 1933-1939 Richard J. Evans&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank yo are anabsolute dipshit moron:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<b>The Third Reich&#8217;s elaborate apparatus pf policiing and repressions was directed in the first place at hunting down and apprehedning Nazism&#8217;s enemies withing Germany. Organized opposition to Nazism was offered only by the Communists and the Social Democrats in the early years of the dictatorship.</b> The left-wiong political parties had won 1.3 million votes in Germany&#8217;s last fully free election, in November 1932, to the Nazis&#8217; 11.7 million. They represented a huge chun of the German electorate. Yet they had no effective means of standinfg up to Nazi violence. Their entire apparatuse, along with that of their paramilitary wings, the &#8220;red Fron-Fighters League and the Reichsbanner, and associated origanizations such as the trade unions, was ruthlessly swept aside in the first months of 1933, their leaders exiled or imprisonned, their millions of members and supporters, many of them looking back on a lifetimes; commitment to the cause, isolated and disoriented. Former activists were placed under more or less permanent surrveilance, shadowed, their correspondence and contacts monitored. Divided, mutually hostile and taken by sruprise at the speed and ruthlessness of the Nazis seizure of pwoer, they were initially helpless and uncertain how to act.&#8221; p. 55 The Third Reich in Power, 1933-1939 Richard J. Evans</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So, tell your revisionist history to that hippie in the birkenstocks that gave you an "A" in Civics for spelling Woodstock correctly."

Nice. Not a rebuttal, just more bullshit. Seems typical of you Frank.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, tell your revisionist history to that hippie in the birkenstocks that gave you an &#8220;A&#8221; in Civics for spelling Woodstock correctly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice. Not a rebuttal, just more bullshit. Seems typical of you Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, really. Like you said, he was killed in the Night of the Long Knives.
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really.  He was a Nazi and assassinated as part of an intra party purge (Night of Long Knives - Brown Shirts).
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then Hitler killed Gregor Strasser for being too left-wing.
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We National Socialists are enemies, deadly enemies, of the present capitalist system with its exploitation of the economically weak ..."


Gregor Strasser, Nazi theoretician



From our post war perspective Nazis belong to the extreme right, but in reality they prove the circular nature of the political spectrum with the extremes so far apart that they are next to each other.  Stalin and Hitler didn't sign The Nazi-Soviet pact because they both felt they were opposites.
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<p>Gregor Strasser, Nazi theoretician</p>
<p>From our post war perspective Nazis belong to the extreme right, but in reality they prove the circular nature of the political spectrum with the extremes so far apart that they are next to each other.  Stalin and Hitler didn&#8217;t sign The Nazi-Soviet pact because they both felt they were opposites.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This mission to claim Hitler as a liberal is part and parcel of the same revisionism that claims MLK as a conservative, or that JFK and RFK would disavow Ted Kennedy's politics.

That is to say, it's not based in fact, it's based in wishful thinking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This mission to claim Hitler as a liberal is part and parcel of the same revisionism that claims MLK as a conservative, or that JFK and RFK would disavow Ted Kennedy&#8217;s politics.</p>
<p>That is to say, it&#8217;s not based in fact, it&#8217;s based in wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you're arguing that 2+2=6, there's already no way to win from the beginning.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re arguing that 2+2=6, there&#8217;s already no way to win from the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: dai</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i've never seen someone lose an argument so quickly and thoroughly as fd10801
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 13:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservatives aren't like Nazis. But the current bunch of Conservatives who are running things in America right now are using a famous propaganda technique that was a favourite of the Nazis. No-one's directly comparing the one with the other, they're just pointing out that the one seems very comfortable taking ideas from the other when it suits. Republicans may be fuckheads but they haven't killed 12 million people for no rational reason at all yet.

Then again, here I am trying to appeal to the rationality of someone who's trying to convice us that Hitler was a commie.

By the way, Frank, if you deliberately put your head above the parapet, you don't get to complain when people shoot at you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatives aren&#8217;t like Nazis. But the current bunch of Conservatives who are running things in America right now are using a famous propaganda technique that was a favourite of the Nazis. No-one&#8217;s directly comparing the one with the other, they&#8217;re just pointing out that the one seems very comfortable taking ideas from the other when it suits. Republicans may be fuckheads but they haven&#8217;t killed 12 million people for no rational reason at all yet.</p>
<p>Then again, here I am trying to appeal to the rationality of someone who&#8217;s trying to convice us that Hitler was a commie.</p>
<p>By the way, Frank, if you deliberately put your head above the parapet, you don&#8217;t get to complain when people shoot at you.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, zadura, if I wanted to admit I was wrong, I would do it like everyone else at "LKTS" does it: I would just stop posting on the thread.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, zadura, if I wanted to admit I was wrong, I would do it like everyone else at &#8220;LKTS&#8221; does it: I would just stop posting on the thread.</p>
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