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	<title>Comments on: Republican Bigot Eruption: Ted Poe</title>
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		<title>By: BW</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74248</link>
		<dc:creator>BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,
if i am reading this right, apparently Rep. Ted Poe has a tendency to be racist along the lines of Hitler.  Hitler&#039;s objectives were accomplished by destroying the family by taking children from the home and turning them into soldiers of the state.  Poe is apparently doing something similar with his attack on fathers by calling them abusive, kidnappers and killers of their own family.  he has apparently done this by quoting misleading statistics that supposedly prove that fathers make threats against their families during court ordered supervision.  what about all the women that kill their children and abuse them?  women abuse just as often as men, but no one introduces resolutions like Poe has done to go after fathers while making women look like innocent bystanders.  the domestic violence against women&#039;s act seems to be the main tool of feminists and people like Poe who want to destroy america by socially castrating fathers without cause.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,<br />
if i am reading this right, apparently Rep. Ted Poe has a tendency to be racist along the lines of Hitler.  Hitler&#8217;s objectives were accomplished by destroying the family by taking children from the home and turning them into soldiers of the state.  Poe is apparently doing something similar with his attack on fathers by calling them abusive, kidnappers and killers of their own family.  he has apparently done this by quoting misleading statistics that supposedly prove that fathers make threats against their families during court ordered supervision.  what about all the women that kill their children and abuse them?  women abuse just as often as men, but no one introduces resolutions like Poe has done to go after fathers while making women look like innocent bystanders.  the domestic violence against women&#8217;s act seems to be the main tool of feminists and people like Poe who want to destroy america by socially castrating fathers without cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74247</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 10:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes great quotes get assigned to people who OUGHT to have said them. Willie Hutton, the legendary bank robber, never answered &quot;because that&#039;s where the money is&quot; when asked why he robbed banks, but he spent most of his life denying it anyway. Forrest may not have said it, but it&#039;s a summation of his original statement and, for better or worse, it&#039;s associated with him -- much like his advice to &quot;Get &#039;em skeered and keep the skeer on &#039;em&quot; has been reduced to &quot;keep up the skeer.&quot;

For those not familiar with the jargon, &quot;skeer&quot; is Southern for &quot;scare.&quot;

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes great quotes get assigned to people who OUGHT to have said them. Willie Hutton, the legendary bank robber, never answered &#8220;because that&#8217;s where the money is&#8221; when asked why he robbed banks, but he spent most of his life denying it anyway. Forrest may not have said it, but it&#8217;s a summation of his original statement and, for better or worse, it&#8217;s associated with him &#8212; much like his advice to &#8220;Get &#8216;em skeered and keep the skeer on &#8216;em&#8221; has been reduced to &#8220;keep up the skeer.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those not familiar with the jargon, &#8220;skeer&#8221; is Southern for &#8220;scare.&#8221;</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74246</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 08:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obviously, you couldn&#039;t be bothered to do 10 seconds of research:&quot;

So it wasn&#039;t even an accurate quote from a garnd wizard of the KKK. So Peo envoked the name of a grand wizard of the KKK without any reason whatsoever.

Wow. That makes this thread even more pathetic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obviously, you couldn&#8217;t be bothered to do 10 seconds of research:&#8221;</p>
<p>So it wasn&#8217;t even an accurate quote from a garnd wizard of the KKK. So Peo envoked the name of a grand wizard of the KKK without any reason whatsoever.</p>
<p>Wow. That makes this thread even more pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74245</link>
		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 06:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Cloninger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74244</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cloninger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 06:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, you couldn&#039;t be bothered to do 10 seconds of research:

&lt;i&gt;Forrest is often erroneously quoted as saying his strategy was to &quot;git thar fustest with the mostest,&quot; but this quote first appeared in print in a New York Times story in 1917, written to provide colorful comments in reaction to European interest in Civil War generals. Bruce Catton writes, &quot;Do not, under any circumstances whatever, quote Forrest as saying &#039;fustest&#039; and &#039;mostest.&#039; He did not say it that way, and nobody who knows anything about him imagines that he did.&quot;

Catton, pp. 160 - 161
Catton, Bruce (1971). The Civil War. American Heritage Press, New York. Library of Congress Number: 77-119671. 


Try again, Goebbels.&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, you couldn&#8217;t be bothered to do 10 seconds of research:</p>
<p><i>Forrest is often erroneously quoted as saying his strategy was to &#8220;git thar fustest with the mostest,&#8221; but this quote first appeared in print in a New York Times story in 1917, written to provide colorful comments in reaction to European interest in Civil War generals. Bruce Catton writes, &#8220;Do not, under any circumstances whatever, quote Forrest as saying &#8216;fustest&#8217; and &#8216;mostest.&#8217; He did not say it that way, and nobody who knows anything about him imagines that he did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Catton, pp. 160 &#8211; 161<br />
Catton, Bruce (1971). The Civil War. American Heritage Press, New York. Library of Congress Number: 77-119671. </p>
<p>Try again, Goebbels.</i></p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74243</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The point of Oliver&#039;s comment, as far as I am concerned, is that the use of that aphorism is evidence that the Republican Party is racist.&quot;

No, but quoting a grand wizard of the KKK gives the appearance of racism, which would turn away blacks from the party.

&quot;Since I don&#039;t believe it is evidence of any such thing&quot;

That&#039;s right, we don&#039;t have any proof that your Strawman is correct, but we don&#039;t have to provide evidence for that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The point of Oliver&#8217;s comment, as far as I am concerned, is that the use of that aphorism is evidence that the Republican Party is racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but quoting a grand wizard of the KKK gives the appearance of racism, which would turn away blacks from the party.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since I don&#8217;t believe it is evidence of any such thing&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, we don&#8217;t have any proof that your Strawman is correct, but we don&#8217;t have to provide evidence for that.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74242</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 06:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find the Patton quote in all that excess verbiage, but, if, as you say, it doesn&#039;t say the same thing, what&#039;s the point?

The point of Oliver&#039;s comment, as far as I am concerned, is that the use of that aphorism is evidence that the Republican Party is racist.

Since I don&#039;t believe it is evidence of any such thing, and no one has introduced one scintilla of evidence to the effect that it is, the subject is, as far as I am concerned, closed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find the Patton quote in all that excess verbiage, but, if, as you say, it doesn&#8217;t say the same thing, what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>The point of Oliver&#8217;s comment, as far as I am concerned, is that the use of that aphorism is evidence that the Republican Party is racist.</p>
<p>Since I don&#8217;t believe it is evidence of any such thing, and no one has introduced one scintilla of evidence to the effect that it is, the subject is, as far as I am concerned, closed.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74241</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 05:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, CSS, you took that task on yourself, when you said you thought there might be a dozen possible substitutes.&quot;

What the hell are you talking about? This is a non sequitor to my last post.

&quot;It seems that way, I suppose, but you haven&#039;t come up with one yet.&quot;

Yes I have. The Patton quote. It doesn&#039;t say the same thing, but it works just as well given the context of the speech.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, CSS, you took that task on yourself, when you said you thought there might be a dozen possible substitutes.&#8221;</p>
<p>What the hell are you talking about? This is a non sequitor to my last post.</p>
<p>&#8220;It seems that way, I suppose, but you haven&#8217;t come up with one yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes I have. The Patton quote. It doesn&#8217;t say the same thing, but it works just as well given the context of the speech.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74240</link>
		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean, &quot;Too busy arguing about &lt;i&gt;whether or not&lt;/i&gt; we were arguing about underpants&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean, &#8220;Too busy arguing about <i>whether or not</i> we were arguing about underpants&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74239</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too busy arguing about underpants.
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74238</link>
		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, CSS, you took that task on yourself, when you said you thought there might be a dozen possible substitutes.
It seems that way, I suppose, but you haven&#039;t come up with one yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, CSS, you took that task on yourself, when you said you thought there might be a dozen possible substitutes.<br />
It seems that way, I suppose, but you haven&#8217;t come up with one yet.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74237</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me: &quot;I may have gotten the details wrong&quot;

The Underwear Gnome: &quot;Yes, you did. And you still have them wrong.&quot;

I don&#039;t think I have them wrong now. However, the details about a conversation you had about presidential underwear matter very little to me. The fact remains that&#039;s far more off topic than trying to come up with a suitable quote Ted Poe could have used instead of quoting a grand wizard of the KKK. In fact, that would be significantly on topic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me: &#8220;I may have gotten the details wrong&#8221;</p>
<p>The Underwear Gnome: &#8220;Yes, you did. And you still have them wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have them wrong now. However, the details about a conversation you had about presidential underwear matter very little to me. The fact remains that&#8217;s far more off topic than trying to come up with a suitable quote Ted Poe could have used instead of quoting a grand wizard of the KKK. In fact, that would be significantly on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I may have gotten the details wrong&lt;/i&gt;
Yes, you did. And you still have them wrong.
Quit while you are only wrong.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I may have gotten the details wrong</i><br />
Yes, you did. And you still have them wrong.<br />
Quit while you are only wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74235</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Until 1:00 AM, there was a suggestion that I was arguing with, or disagreeing with, someone.&quot;

You were having a disagreement with someone and the topic of boxer or briefs came up. I may have gotten the details wrong, but quite frankly, when the subject turned to underwear, I tuned it out.

&quot;you decided that my assertion was an argument, despite the fact that no one disagreed with me.&quot;

Technically, everytime you make a claim with evidence, you are making an argument, (as per definition #1 above.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Until 1:00 AM, there was a suggestion that I was arguing with, or disagreeing with, someone.&#8221;</p>
<p>You were having a disagreement with someone and the topic of boxer or briefs came up. I may have gotten the details wrong, but quite frankly, when the subject turned to underwear, I tuned it out.</p>
<p>&#8220;you decided that my assertion was an argument, despite the fact that no one disagreed with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Technically, everytime you make a claim with evidence, you are making an argument, (as per definition #1 above.)</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 12:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That whole comment is called &quot;moving the goalposts&quot;.

Until 1:00 AM, there was a suggestion that I was arguing with, or disagreeing with, someone.

Then, at 3:21 AM, faced with the horrifying prospect that you are wr-, wr-, wr-, you decided that my assertion was an argument, despite the fact that no one disagreed with me.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/quotes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vizzini has drunk the poison and fallen over&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That whole comment is called &#8220;moving the goalposts&#8221;.</p>
<p>Until 1:00 AM, there was a suggestion that I was arguing with, or disagreeing with, someone.</p>
<p>Then, at 3:21 AM, faced with the horrifying prospect that you are wr-, wr-, wr-, you decided that my assertion was an argument, despite the fact that no one disagreed with me.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/quotes" rel="nofollow">Vizzini has drunk the poison and fallen over</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74233</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 08:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apparently you can&#039;t read English, you asshole!
Nimrod misunderstood me. I explained it, Show me an argument, you primping scumbag!&quot;

Okay, fine, your argument was over the definition of briefs and boxers, but you were still putting for an argument that boxers are more manly that briefs.


There are three definitions of argument that relate to this discussion:

1.) a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true

2.) a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal

3.) a contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement

Technically speaking #2 requites #1, at least two in fact cause you need a claim and a counter claim.

#3 is the definition that causes problems because it has a negative connotation. (I used to get into this debate with Adam Baldwin all of the time. Pain in the ass.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently you can&#8217;t read English, you asshole!<br />
Nimrod misunderstood me. I explained it, Show me an argument, you primping scumbag!&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, fine, your argument was over the definition of briefs and boxers, but you were still putting for an argument that boxers are more manly that briefs.</p>
<p>There are three definitions of argument that relate to this discussion:</p>
<p>1.) a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true</p>
<p>2.) a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal</p>
<p>3.) a contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement</p>
<p>Technically speaking #2 requites #1, at least two in fact cause you need a claim and a counter claim.</p>
<p>#3 is the definition that causes problems because it has a negative connotation. (I used to get into this debate with Adam Baldwin all of the time. Pain in the ass.)</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74232</link>
		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CSS: Apparently you can&#039;t read English, you asshole!
Nimrod misunderstood me. I explained it, Show me an argument, you primping scumbag!

The only argument going on here is whether you are a simple minded buffoon (one possibility) or an escaped psychopath who has commandeered a cybercafe (possibility number two) {that&#039;s the one I favor}.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CSS: Apparently you can&#8217;t read English, you asshole!<br />
Nimrod misunderstood me. I explained it, Show me an argument, you primping scumbag!</p>
<p>The only argument going on here is whether you are a simple minded buffoon (one possibility) or an escaped psychopath who has commandeered a cybercafe (possibility number two) {that&#8217;s the one I favor}.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74231</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 02:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wasn&#039;t arguing about boxers and briefs&quot;

Yes you were. You two were arguing whether or not it was more mature for men to wear boxers of briefs. We can see what you wrote, we can read English, there is no debate here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wasn&#8217;t arguing about boxers and briefs&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes you were. You two were arguing whether or not it was more mature for men to wear boxers of briefs. We can see what you wrote, we can read English, there is no debate here.</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 01:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Duros62, that made me spew tea on my keyboard!  LoL!
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/08/republican-bigot-eruption-ted-poe/#comment-74229</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 00:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. All y&#039;all move along. Nothing to see here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. All y&#8217;all move along. Nothing to see here.</p>
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