Comments on: The Common Feature In Bush’s Only Two Vetoes http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:45:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75213 fd10801 Thu, 03 May 2007 05:04:39 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75213 I hope so, Oliver. I wasn't insinuating anything, Quaker. My take on it was clear. It's you, and more often, other posters, who think I'm the Delegate from Conservatismia, and you ask me to explain every statement from Justinian to Hannity. What I said was simple enough: The idea that Pres. Bush can do nothing positive is a part of BDS. I hope so, Oliver.

I wasn’t insinuating anything, Quaker. My take on it was clear. It’s you, and more often, other posters, who think I’m the Delegate from Conservatismia, and you ask me to explain every statement from Justinian to Hannity.

What I said was simple enough: The idea that Pres. Bush can do nothing positive is a part of BDS.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75212 Oliver Willis Thu, 03 May 2007 04:46:15 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75212 Here is one of the things you guys - especially Marty - need to understand about this fricking blog. I say what I think. Not what somebody wants me to, not what I want you to, but what I think. If I think someone is an asshole I say it, if I think they aren't, I say it. No double-super-secret messages to decode. Here is one of the things you guys - especially Marty - need to understand about this fricking blog.

I say what I think. Not what somebody wants me to, not what I want you to, but what I think. If I think someone is an asshole I say it, if I think they aren’t, I say it. No double-super-secret messages to decode.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75211 Quaker in a Basement Thu, 03 May 2007 01:30:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75211 <em>Actually, no... I was only referring to term used by some people. </em> What's that? The "some say..." construction? You have studied the master well, grasshopper. Let us hear no more accusations against Mr. Willis of "insinuation" from you. Actually, no… I was only referring to term used by some people.

What’s that? The “some say…” construction? You have studied the master well, grasshopper.

Let us hear no more accusations against Mr. Willis of “insinuation” from you.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75210 Duros62 Wed, 02 May 2007 23:10:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75210 Oh, this is nice. <blockquote>A RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT AROUND THE WORLD: The Administration has pursued a policy of promoting freedom and human dignity in every part of the world. We pursue this policy both because it is right and because it also addresses the fear, hatred, and inequality that contributes to terrorism and violence.</blockquote> Geneva Conventions notwithstanding. Extraordinary renditions notwithstanding. Jack Bauer, where are you? Oh, this is nice.

A RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT AROUND THE WORLD:

The Administration has pursued a policy of promoting freedom and human dignity in every part of the world. We pursue this policy both because it is right and because it also addresses the fear, hatred, and inequality
that contributes to terrorism and violence.

Geneva Conventions notwithstanding. Extraordinary renditions notwithstanding.

Jack Bauer, where are you?

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75209 Duros62 Wed, 02 May 2007 23:05:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75209 Yes, Frank, I'm sure Kim Kardashian has a list of George Bush's positive accomplishments. Yes, Frank, I’m sure Kim Kardashian has a list of George Bush’s positive accomplishments.

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75208 Wilbur Wed, 02 May 2007 22:52:58 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75208 I guess the answer to my question is "yes, it is possible". I guess the answer to my question is “yes, it is possible”.

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75207 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 22:27:10 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75207 Of course! What else would such a list be? It has been predicted: <b>Why even bother?</b> <b>It's not worth the effort.</b> <b>What thing could you say about him here, that would pass for good?</b> Posted by: <b>fd10801 | May 2, 2007 2:48:32 PM</b> Where would I get such a list, where the list would satisfy you? Maybe from one of these blogs? Altercation American Politics Journal Atrios Benny's World Bob Geiger Brad Blog Bring It On! Calling All Wingnuts Celebrity Pictures Cliff Schecter CREW Crooks & Liars Daily Howler Daily Kos Daou Report David Sirota Deltoid Digby DKelSmith Eat The Press Ed Cone Ezra Klein Feministe Firedoglake First Draft First Draft Flavia Colgan Glenn Greenwald HuffPo Hughes for America ImproveMan James Wolcott John Edwards Jon Swift Jousting for Justice Kevin Drum Kirsten Powers Kung Fu Monkey Mark Warner Mathew Gross Maximum365 Music Videos MyDD National Chronicle News America Now One Billion Movies Pandagon Paul Waldman Pharyngula QandO Raising Kaine Reality-Based Community Rude Pundit Sadly, No Scoobie Davis Seeing the Forest Shakespeare's Sister Stakeholder Steve Michel Suburban Guerrilla Talking Points Memo Tapped TBogg The Horse's Mouth The Poor Man The Sideshow Think Progress This Modern World Total Centrist TPMCafe TPMmuckraker TVNewser Washington Fix Waveflux Wes Clark Will Bunch Wonkette Xoverboard Kim Kardashian Boomnation Or maybe <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/" rel="nofollow">?</a> Of course! What else would such a list be?

It has been predicted:
Why even bother?

It’s not worth the effort.

What thing could you say about him here, that would pass for good?
Posted by: fd10801 | May 2, 2007 2:48:32 PM

Where would I get such a list, where the list would satisfy you?
Maybe from one of these blogs?

Altercation
American Politics Journal
Atrios
Benny’s World
Bob Geiger
Brad Blog
Bring It On!
Calling All Wingnuts
Celebrity Pictures
Cliff Schecter
CREW
Crooks & Liars
Daily Howler
Daily Kos
Daou Report
David Sirota
Deltoid
Digby
DKelSmith
Eat The Press
Ed Cone
Ezra Klein
Feministe
Firedoglake
First Draft
First Draft
Flavia Colgan
Glenn Greenwald
HuffPo
Hughes for America
ImproveMan
James Wolcott
John Edwards
Jon Swift
Jousting for Justice
Kevin Drum
Kirsten Powers
Kung Fu Monkey
Mark Warner
Mathew Gross
Maximum365
Music Videos
MyDD
National Chronicle
News America Now
One Billion Movies
Pandagon
Paul Waldman
Pharyngula
QandO
Raising Kaine
Reality-Based Community
Rude Pundit
Sadly, No
Scoobie Davis
Seeing the Forest
Shakespeare’s Sister
Stakeholder
Steve Michel
Suburban Guerrilla
Talking Points Memo
Tapped
TBogg
The Horse’s Mouth
The Poor Man
The Sideshow
Think Progress
This Modern World
Total Centrist
TPMCafe
TPMmuckraker
TVNewser
Washington Fix
Waveflux
Wes Clark
Will Bunch
Wonkette
Xoverboard
Kim Kardashian
Boomnation

Or maybe ?

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75206 Wilbur Wed, 02 May 2007 22:14:40 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75206 Gosh, Frank, is it possible that you don't realize how pathetic that litany of links is? I mean seriously: you confine yourself to the most rabidly partisan sources and still, the best you can come up with is in-house propaganda from 2001 and ludicrous lists of "accomplishments" like "President Bush presents Medal of Freedom to George Tenet" (link #3). I'm sure Dilbert's pointy-haired boss has a simlar list of accomplishments. Gosh, Frank, is it possible that you don’t realize how pathetic that litany of links is?

I mean seriously: you confine yourself to the most rabidly partisan sources and still, the best you can come up with is in-house propaganda from 2001 and ludicrous lists of “accomplishments” like “President Bush presents Medal of Freedom to George Tenet” (link #3).

I’m sure Dilbert’s pointy-haired boss has a simlar list of accomplishments.

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75205 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:38:28 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75205 <i>b) Though I admit I am biased against answer (a), evidence against it includes the fact that we've turned out to be right about quite a few important issues over the past few years.</i> <b>evidence against it includes the fact that we've turned out to be right about quite a few important issues over the past few years</b> Even a broken clock is right twice a day. b) Though I admit I am biased against answer (a), evidence against it includes the fact that we’ve turned out to be right about quite a few important issues over the past few years.
evidence against it includes the fact that we’ve turned out to be right about quite a few important issues over the past few years
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75204 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:35:36 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75204 <a href="http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=307" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=307" rel="nofollow">http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=307</a></a> Batterer up! http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=307

Batterer up!

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75203 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:34:58 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75203 <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194891/posts" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194891/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194891/posts</a></a> {see Post # 2} <a href="http://www.doi.gov/Hunters_Anglers_Accomplishments.pdf" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.doi.gov/Hunters_Anglers_Accomplishments.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.doi.gov/Hunters_Anglers_Accomplishments.pdf</a></a> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194891/posts
{see Post # 2}

http://www.doi.gov/Hunters_Anglers_Accomplishments.pdf

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75202 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:33:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75202 <a href="http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm</a></a> <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/July/03_crt_414.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/July/03_crt_414.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/July/03_crt_414.htm</a></a> http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/July/03_crt_414.htm

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75201 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:32:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75201 Here's a few websites on Pres. Bush's accomplishments -- more to follow I was going to set up categories, where you could disqualify the contribution by number (#1 Clinton actually did it; #2 It was Congress, etc., but I thought I’d let you do the work)’ This represents “accomplishments of Bush administration (without quotes) 5 Google pages in <a href="http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot07401.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot07401.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot07401.htm</a></a> <a href="http://www.ccd21.org/news/white_house_factsheet.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.ccd21.org/news/white_house_factsheet.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccd21.org/news/white_house_factsheet.htm</a></a> Here’s a few websites on Pres. Bush’s accomplishments — more to follow

I was going to set up categories, where you could disqualify the contribution by number (#1 Clinton actually did it; #2 It was Congress, etc., but I thought I’d let you do the work)’

This represents “accomplishments of Bush administration (without quotes) 5 Google pages in

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot07401.htm

http://www.ccd21.org/news/white_house_factsheet.htm

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75200 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:30:59 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75200 <i>That kind of total moral incompetence: that's Bush to a T</i> Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, and I claim no expertise in this area, but based on what I've read here over the years, moral competence may be beyond the ken of about 95% of the posters here. I'm just sayin'. That kind of total moral incompetence: that’s Bush to a T
Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, and I claim no expertise in this area, but based on what I’ve read here over the years, moral competence may be beyond the ken of about 95% of the posters here.

I’m just sayin’.

]]> By: fd10801 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75199 fd10801 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:27:30 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75199 Actually, no... I was only referring to term used by some people. To assume that a person is never doing anything right, but is always doing something evil, intentionally or unintentionally, is certainly an erroneous judgment. The term "derangement" is not mine, and is not to my understanding, limited to that aspect alone. Actually, no… I was only referring to term used by some people. To assume that a person is never doing anything right, but is always doing something evil, intentionally or unintentionally, is certainly an erroneous judgment.

The term “derangement” is not mine, and is not to my understanding, limited to that aspect alone.

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75198 Wilbur Wed, 02 May 2007 21:15:13 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75198 mambo, you seem to think unintentional evil is not evil. I think the opposite is quite often the case. I once read a book by Scott Peck, a darling of the religous right, describing cases of what he considered 'evil' from his counseling practice. He had a number of convincing examples, like the parents who gave their son a rifle for his birthday - the very same rifle that his older brother had used to commit suicide. The parents were apparently genuinely astounded at the notion that they might have done something wrong. That kind of total moral incompetence: that's Bush to a T. The fact that he may not intend evil does not make what he does any less evil. mambo, you seem to think unintentional evil is not evil. I think the opposite is quite often the case. I once read a book by Scott Peck, a darling of the religous right, describing cases of what he considered ‘evil’ from his counseling practice. He had a number of convincing examples, like the parents who gave their son a rifle for his birthday - the very same rifle that his older brother had used to commit suicide. The parents were apparently genuinely astounded at the notion that they might have done something wrong.

That kind of total moral incompetence: that’s Bush to a T. The fact that he may not intend evil does not make what he does any less evil.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75197 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 02 May 2007 21:06:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75197 <em>It's the inability to do that as far as Pres. Bush is concerned that some people would describe as "Bush Derangement Syndrome".</em> But then, by assuming "derangement," one would be just as guilty, no? It’s the inability to do that as far as Pres. Bush is concerned that some people would describe as “Bush Derangement Syndrome”.

But then, by assuming “derangement,” one would be just as guilty, no?

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75196 Wilbur Wed, 02 May 2007 21:00:47 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75196 um, that was me. um, that was me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75195 Anonymous Wed, 02 May 2007 20:56:06 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75195 <i>What thing could you say about him here, that would pass for good?</i> Probably nothing. Now there are two ways to explain that: a) all us lefties are deluded nutjobs, or b) Bush really is a total f*ckup. I've seen no evidence that counterindicates the answer (b). Though I admit I am biased against answer (a), evidence against it includes the fact that we've turned out to be right about quite a few important issues over the past few years. Even on conservative blogs, the only think I see Bush given consistent props for is pissing off democrats and making wogs' heads explode. Game's up, Frank. We call. You got Joker high against a full house. What thing could you say about him here, that would pass for good?

Probably nothing. Now there are two ways to explain that: a) all us lefties are deluded nutjobs, or b) Bush really is a total f*ckup.

I’ve seen no evidence that counterindicates the answer (b). Though I admit I am biased against answer (a), evidence against it includes the fact that we’ve turned out to be right about quite a few important issues over the past few years.

Even on conservative blogs, the only think I see Bush given consistent props for is pissing off democrats and making wogs’ heads explode.

Game’s up, Frank. We call. You got Joker high against a full house.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/05/01/the-common-feature-in-bushs-only-two-vetoes/#comment-75194 Duros62 Wed, 02 May 2007 20:36:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6339#comment-75194 That's what I thought. That’s what I thought.

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