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He defends Ann Coulter for calling muslims “ragheads”. Then again, this (according to the MSM, “liberal”) guy is pen pals with her.
There’s also a “tragically white” moment of WGTR (White Guys Talking Race) in which both of the commenters think that “nappy headed hos” was a rap lyric Imus was reciting.
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OW I’m watching all of the “bad comments” coverage with amusement. I just heard Stevie Wonders’ song “I Wish” for the first time in awhile. I was struck by the line “when I was a nappy-headed boy”. What do you think would happen if a white dj decided to started to say “yea Stevie he used to be a nappy-headed boy”. I’m sure that the world would come to a halt while we took care of this offender. All because he used the same words to describe Stevie that Stevie used himself. This is not meant to draw parallels to Imus but rather to point out an awful lot of bullshit is going down with peoples’ supposed outrage at other peoples’ use of words that they themselves use. Maybe we should ban Stevie for using the words?
This is OT: It’s a special video dedicated to all you liberal posters, but especially to mambochicken23
You don’t want to miss the last few seconds!
A lot of talk about race by clueless white people comes down to simple, plain respect.
A lot of terms of familiarity come of as disrespect when said by an outsider. If I used a term of endearment, specifically one that poked a little fun, at a family member of yours and I were a mere acquaintance, you would likely take it as disrespect. And properly so. But if I had lived with your family for 3 months and the person I was addressing had thrown 10 such names at me first over a period of weeks, and I were taking part in household chores and changing the baby, situation would probably be very different.
What white people don’t get - most of all - is black family life. They don’t get black church life; only time white people see a black church is when a CBS tapes a white politician visiting one. They don’t get the deep expectations of respect shown to elderly women in the family, grandmothers and great aunts, to family traditions. They don’t get how an extended black family will actually print T-Shirts to commemorate a family reunion.
Saying something within this cultural tradition when you came from it is simply different from using very familiar and informal language as a mocking, hostile outsider.
yea bruce, but we DO get the deep disrepect black hip hop culture shows women in general….I’m glad someone is respecting the ELDERLY women at least….
How should I feel when black people state that we are having “tragically white” moments….or when they refer to new york as “Hymietown”?
Just curious as to what your perspective on those sorts of statements is…
Kaus doesn’t come across as stupid to me, he comes across as intellectually dishonest. All in the service of defending Ann Coulter. First, he starts in with the ridiculous hypothetical: Suppose some religion (not necessarily Islam) supports something that we consider morally repugnant, such as slavery. Then we have no obligation to show respect to that religion.
As a point of history, the Southern Baptists supported slavery, but nevermind… Kaus is being completely dishonest here. Calling Arabs “ragheads” is not disagreeing with a religion’s moral teachings, it is insulting a people.
Later, Kaus gave a second excuse for Ann Coulter, which is to say that her language was excusable because it was said out of anger. What an incredible pile of horse manure! For one thing, anger does not excuse hate speech. Everyone who engages in hate speech is angry. For another thing, if a decent person says something offense out of anger, then he or she apologizes after cooling off. Ann Coulter never did that. For a third thing, nobody who actually listens to Ann Coulter for more than 30 seconds would know that her slurs of blacks, arabs, Mexicans, liberals, etc. are not inadvertent — that’s her shtick. It’s all completely premeditated.
Bruce/Crawblaw said:
“How should I feel when black people state that we are having “tragically white” moments?”
Answer: “Black people” didn’t say that. Oliver Willis did. If you can’t see that distinction, you may be having a tragically white moment.
thanks for making my point teresa….Mickey Kaus said whatever it was he said….I see the distinction just fine and noted that Ollie seems to need to bring race into it…
The beauty of writing is that you needn’t know the race of the writer….I don’t know why that is so lost on so many people…
Oh, yeah. One more comment about Kaus’ comments. Kaus defends the “nappy headed hos” line by saying that Imus was satirizing or parodying (or whatever) rap lyrics. What’s stupid (or dishonest, depending on your take it on it) about this is that the target of his jibe was not rappers, but a women’s basketball team! How in the world is the use of insults by rappers a defense of using the same insults against an innocent third party?
(Unless Imus is claiming that these basketball players moonlight as rappers in their spare time…)
pedromd07,
It would seem to me that if the discussion is about race then the race of the speaker is relevant. If the discussion is about politics, then the political leanings of the speaker is relevant. If the discussion is about the merits of some book, then it is relevant that the speaker is the author of that book (or a close relative).
who the fuck are you to criticize people for calling names, you ho-ho inhaling hypocrite.
All in the service of defending Ann Coulter.
Well, there’s your problem right there.
Defending the indefensible.
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Damn tags!
I disagree daryl. The ARGUMENT should be relevant.
I don’t have any more moral authority speaking about Nazi’s because one half of my family was killed by them. If you have to resort to your “victim” status to win an argument, well, then you have a pretty shitty argument….Witness all the posts that Ollie makes about thinking like white people etc, if he could make a strong argument, the color of the person making it shouldn’t matter.
Case in point: Anyone REALLY know what color Jesus Christ was? Does it really matter?