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For the first time since the passage of campaign finance reform in 2002, national Democrats have outpaced their Republican rivals in the race for campaign cash in the first three months of an election cycle.
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Pretty soon some wingnut will say: “how can the dems claim to help the poor when they’ve got so much money to throw around on tv ads!”
…ignoring the fact that the best thing we can do for the poor is make sure that no republican gets elected for the next fifty years or so.
Yep, you got it! We Republicans are sooooo “depressed.” And when you Liberals weren’t looking, we got together in secret and decided not to throw our money away. In fact, we’re giving up RIGHT NOW because clearly there’s no stopping that winning personality of Hillary that people all across the land instantly warm to and feel so comforted by…and there’s no taking on that brainiac-sized cranium of Obama, despite the fact he STILL can’t seem to ever get any policy papers out that actually TELL YOU “what” he stands for…and wow, there’s REALLY no competing with Edwards’ $400 haircuts. Heck, how could we? Giuliani, McCain and Thompson are all bald! Only Romney could go one on one with Edwards, and he’d rather spend 400 clams on something like…oh, I don’t know…this wacky thing called “charity” versus primping and preening for the camera for 20 minutes straight!
So, yep, you figured us out! (Insert TOTAL mocking Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here)
Here’s a clue for the people seated in the “terminally slow” section: the reason you haven’t seen that much money flow on the Right yet is best summed up by a classic dialogue exchange in STRIPES, in a perfect moment shared between Sergeant Hulka (Warren Oates) and John Winger (Bill Murray):
Sgt Hulka: Soldier, I’ve noticed that you’re always last.
Winger: I’m pacing myself, Sergeant.
For crying out loud, the election is still MORE than a year off and you think THIS is a story this far out? Gee, you guys must be pretty hard up to find a positive spin angle to go with since Giuliani still kicks EVERY democrat’s butt in EVERY poll across the board. Buy, hey, console yourself with the idea that Democrats, who have literally HATED Bush since Day One — so much so that they’ve spent years foaming at the mouth like rabid animals that should be put down — are opening up their check books for once. Come later in the season, I’m sure the far wealthier Republican half of the country will likewise put up WHATEVER it takes to make sure any of the losers the Dems have out there DON’T take the Oval Office.
And if Hillary really does become the democratic candidate, you’ll see levels of money pour out to defeat her like politics has NEVER seen before. It will be an all-time historic high, and it won’t be so-called Right Wing Big Business that’s out to sink her — it will be the Average American who will be writing check after check given how much they literally CAN’T STAND HER. In fact, it’ll be worth every penny I contribute to WHOEVER is on the Republican side just to see Hillary ulimately forced into giving a concession speech, and thus finally made to admit on national TV what a complete loser she is…
much shorter Big Ape:
“Just you wait till next time, ya big lug. Next time I’ll give you a good one right in the kisser! Think you’re some kinda hot shot, do ya? Hey… where you goin’?
Oh, and Clintoooooonnnnnnnn!!!!!!“
To show how much you hate HILLARY Clinton, it is required that you put A LOT of words IN CAPS. Otherwise people wouldn’t know how DERANGED you are with HILLARY HATE.
Even shorter Big Ape: The Republicans aren’t running against a Democrat yet.
You make up your mind, then we beat ‘em!
Shortest Big Ape:
WAAAAAAAH
And to show how much you love clinton oliver, lets compare and contrast two candidates and how they are portrayed in the media
Candidate One: Rudy
Commentary on his visit to a school gym in Iowa:
“The couple hundred people listening in the high school gymnasium gave him a polite but hardly rip-roaring reception. A partition divided the gym to make it appear better attended than it was.”
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/04/rudy_giuliani_c.htmlCandidate Two: Hillary Clinton
the Democratic senator from New York asked a crowd jammed into a junior high school gymnasium……Clinton spoke at a town hall-style meeting Saturday where she took questions from about 200 people”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008
So in one case a “couple hundred” people is considered “crashing and burning” per our Media Expert Oliver.
In the other case, 200 people are “a crowd jammed into…” a gym.
How much more obvious does the ridiculous “neutral” media have to get?
schmucks….
Golly, Peed’, that’s a stumper. Why would they treat those stories so differently.
Let’s see…Mr. Giuliani spoke to 200 people and Mr. Clinton answered questions from 200 people.
That’s just the same number, isn’t it?
Sorry, Ms. Clinton.
“Otherwise people wouldn’t know how DERANGED you are with HILLARY HATE”? Seriously, Oliver, that’s hardly a response. You know I’m right, however much you may want to try and put on a distracting tap dance around my typing skills or choice to emphasize words versus completely avoiding the simple truth at work here.
Republicans simply have no reason to write any major checks yet. We’re just waiting for the dust to settle over who the final candidates will be. On our end it’s a simple shake-out, but smart Republicans have already come to see that Rudy represents a more moderate voice and will thus appeal to more middle of the road voters, an essential for taking any election. He’s also a turn from the hard, hard right (which put off even many Republicans) and as a result he’s a true “eye on the prize” candidate since he can deliver the ultimate victory, the Oval Office. And yes, much as you may want to deny it, that is clearly evidenced by ALL polls which show no matter who the Democrats put up against him at this juncture, they still fall miserably short and Rudy wins.
So as I accurately pointed out with my STRIPES quote, there’s no need to run full steam or even break a small sweat yet. We’re simply pacing ourselves for what’s ahead.
On the other hand, Democrats have a slug fest on their hands — just look at how much the Iraq War tears at the seams of the party — and your races are only going to get down and dirtier as they march along. We’ve already seen there’s no love lost between Hillary and Obama’s camps, and Edwards refuses to go away no matter what. So it’s just smart politics to sit back and relax on the couch while your opponents trade body blows amd bloody themselves up for you. Why put in a lot of effort…or more to the point of this discussion, why spend unnecessary money…when you don’t have to?
Oh, and to capitalize and emphasize once again, in your heart of heart’s you KNOW that I’m right about one thing: if Hillary gets the nom, you’ll see historic levels of money spent ripping her to shreds. And it will come from donations from the average voter out there as much as any big business. For crying out loud, the woman’s disapproval numbers amongst the general populace is still incredibly high and haven’t budged (in fact in many polls they’ve gotten worse) and statistically and emotionaly speaking, she’s still every bit the divider she ever was to the average person. Hell, a poll last year of Southern State DEMOCRATIC WOMEN — who were loyal Bill supporters — found that almost an equal number of democratic women would vote for ANY Republican male to make SURE Hillary doesn’t win. For crying out loud, that truly says something when even your husband’s base would rather switch party lines than vote for you.
To be honest, I can’t see why Democrats are backing her at all at this point versus doing everything possible to get her out of the race ASAP to hand the baton to Obama, who at least could represent a fresh face.
Truth be told, Hillary is your “Bob Dole” this time around — then again Kerry was your Dole the last time, too. And you’re smart enough to know what I mean. They’re the person who thinks they’re “owed” the nomination somehow, even though the general population is only tepid about them at best. Yet the party still gives them the nom as a sort of “thank you” — much like a giveaway “lifetime achievement” Oscar is passed out to someone who just couldn’t win the big one on their own, so you toss them the big bone anyway as a consolation prize.
Honestly, I thought you guys had learned your Dole lesson with Kerry…I thought Obama was a sign the Democrats might be actually daring enough to renounce old style politics and NOT pull a Dole…but given that Hillary’s still your frontrunner, this is where the Democrats will fail yet again.
In fact, here’s a tip: why don’t you save yourself some time and just start drafting an article now entitled “What were we thinking?!” that you can run the day after Election Day when Hillary goes down in flames. That way you can take the day off and like most people to the Left, you can be out in a bar tossing back a few drinks as you try to console yourselves over losing yet again…
Man! I thought this site was relatively immune from those spambots that post yard after yard of mindless drivel.
Guess I was wrong.
Actually, Pedromd07, your point is even funnier when you consider this…
Regarding Rudy’s appearance, he wrote: “A partition divided the gym to make it appear better attended than it was”, but then he described Hillary’s as “a crowd jammed into a junior high school gymnasium.”
Gee, funny, but going by pure science and logic shouldn’t the descriptions have been FLIPPED? If Rudy actually employed a partition and was pushing people together, shouldn’t HIS engagement have been described as “jammed” — since going by the imagery Oliver’s clearly trying to convey that would have been the whole POINT to having a partition. Namely to jam people together. Then again, maybe he’s laughably trying to claim that Hillary’s gymnasium was actually much, much smaller. Why didn’t you know? Hillary’s speaking engagement took place at a gym specially built for midgets and THAT’S why he could use “jammed” to describe an equal number of 200 humans standing around…
You are aware that Democrats out-fundraised the GOP in 2006, right? Look, a lot of money does not mean a lock on the win, but its clear by any objective measure - even with Democrats at differing positions on Iraq - that Democrats are much more enthused about having a Democrat in the White House than Republicans are about getting behind yet another Bush.
Our side learned in 2004 that running against the other guy can only get you so far. Clearly your entire campaign based on the boogedy-boogedy boo scare of Hillary in the White House will be a triumphant success.
Also, do you guys know many junior high gyms as big as high school ones? I don’t. Hillary and Obama and Edwards have very enthusiastic supporters, the Republican frontrunners have really weak support (an undeclared actor is already outpolling almost all of the frontrunners).
But that’s EXACTLY the point, Oliver. Republicans have no interest in getting behind another Bush either, so they’re playing their cards closer to the vest this time. But that doesn’t mean that they DON’T realize a far more moderate voice is necessary to pull out another win — hence why Rudy has pulled so far ahead in the polls so early on.
But as someone here noted, why even worry at this point? WHEN you guys on the Left finally pick a candidate, THEN we can start to write our checks. But to do so beforehand is just silly. And to somehow equate that just because we haven’t started mailing in our money in droves yet as meaning we’re NOT interested in the ‘08 election or NOT enthused or intend to just hand the Oval Office over without a fight would be silly.
Seriously, Oliver, here’s the primary fault to your logic: Do you actually believe that just because Republicans might be mad or disappointed in Bush that they want a DEMOCRAT in power instead? More to the point, do you actually believe that just because Republicans might be mad or disappoined in Bush that they’d want to trade him in for HILLARY?
You GOTTA be kidding me on that one!
>> Our side learned in 2004 that running against the other guy can only get you so far. Clearly your entire campaign based on the boogedy-boogedy boo scare of Hillary in the White House will be a triumphant success.
Given that outside of her Liberal coastal safety havens of New York or LA — you know, that entire big ass MIDDLE section of the country that actually connects the two coasts — that her DISAPPROVAL rating is as high as her approval rating, I think the idea of running on the “boogedy-boogedy boo” factor would be a big success since clearly a helluva lot of people don’t trust or even like her.
>> Also, do you guys know many junior high gyms as big as high school ones? I don’t.
Funny, I do. Last time I checked, the length of a basketball court was standardized and gyms aren’t all THAT amazingly different in size, not unless you’re talking a truly, truly large urban area school that has to accomodate an extra large number of kids. So yes, from my personal experiences, most gyms I’ve been in are pretty much the same. In fact, it’s one of the few things that most schools DO spring some money on.
Now if you had argued that quite a few schools have noticeably different LIBRARY sizes, I would have agreed with you since I think books (versus gymnasiums) always get a budgetary short shift…
Oliver go read the parable “The Tortoise and the Hare”….and then get back to me
>> Hillary and Obama and Edwards have very enthusiastic supporters, the Republican frontrunners have really weak support (an undeclared actor is already outpolling almost all of the frontrunners).
Nice try at a diss considering that so-called “undeclared actor” is actually a former U.S. SENATOR who has a helluva lot better track record and certainly more experience on Capitol Hill than Obama could ever lay claim to. As for his polling well, that simply speaks to the fact that a particular part of the party likes his conservative background. But even taking that into account, Rudy is still running well ahead of Thompson too — so your description that he’s “already outpolling the frontrunners” would be a total distortion of reality.
Of course meanwhile on your side of the fence, Obama and Hillary will be putting on a great show, catfighting and snarling and spitting like no tomorrow since Obama seems to represent the modern far Left and how it perceives itself these days while Hillary…being Hillary…continues to feel that she’s simply owed a tiara and being crowned Empress of the U.S., no questions asked.
So Democrats who despise Bush are “rabid animals”, but Republicans who despise Hillary are just everyday folks with the best interests of the country at heart.
Logic is fun.
michael: I’m not going with either side, but it seems to me quite possible that the Democrats who hate Bush do hate him with the energy and viciousness of rabid dogs. It sure seems that many do portray themselves as rabid.
People who hate viscerally the junior Senator from New York, aren’t quite so maniacal. Dedicated, persistent, yes; foaming at the mouth — nah.
Congrats, Oliver, this post really brought the stupids out of hiding.
Pedro, in case Quaker’s point was a little too subtle for you: 200 people attended Giuliani’s event. Far more people attended Clinton’s, only 200 of them asked questions.
Tortoise and hare? Bad news guys, as long as the republicans keep screwing things up we’re the friggin energizer bunny. Better make a walmart run to stock up on ray-o-vacs.
But Pedro and his new friend Mr. Logorrhea are right about one thing:
If Hillary’s the candidate we’ll see a lot of batshit crazy sexist asshole republicans cracking open their wallets.
RW books about Hillary Clinton
Can She Be Stopped?: Hillary Clinton Will Be the Next President of the United States Unless . . . John Podhoretz
Hillary Clinton Nude: Naked Ambition, Hillary Clinton and America’s Demise by Sheldon Filger
The Case Against Hillary Clinton by Peggy Noonan
Madame Hillary: The Dark Road to the White House by R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. and Mark W. Davis
Hillary’s Scheme: Inside the Next Clinton’s Ruthless Agenda to Take the White House by Carl Limbacher and NewsMax
Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Barbara Olson
Rewriting History
by Dick Morris
No, not rabid at all.
And of course Frank chimes in with his predictably slanted view of who’s more rabid, the Bush-haters and the Hillary-haters.
Frank, does it ever occur to you that people who are angry at Bush are angry at him because of what he’s done?
They think he started an unnecessary war then botched it up. They think he loaded the federal government with incompetent cronies, politicized the DOJ, pissed all over the bill of rights, etc.
Meanwhile people hate Hillary because…..?
You tell me.
Because she doesn’t bake cookies?
Or maybe because she happened to be married to a man who could get caught boning an intern and still kick republican ass like republican ass-kicking was going out of style?
EEEK IT’S TEH KKKL!NTOOOONNNNS
Yeah, maybe our hate of Bush is more intense because thousands of Americans have died under his misleadership while the amount who have died under Sen. Clinton is zero.
Unless you buy the kooky conspiracies, in which case God help you and please take your medicine.
Also, as far as the tortoise and the hare goes, you clearly know nothing about political campaigns. Do you really think Democratic intensity at finally replacing Bush is going to peter off between now and Nov. 2008? I’ll answer for you: no.
The subtext to Frank’s statement is “It’s only fair, obvious and inevitable that people despise Hilary Clinton, but any negativity on the current sitting president is irrational and frankly incomprehensible to me and must be motivated by some kind of psychosis.”
Shut up, Frank.
Al Gore’s Campaign Team Readying To Ride Again
Al Gore’s Team
Shut up, Frank.
How original.
You haven’t used that line in, what, 30 minutes?
Twit.
Wilbur: Hope you enjoyed the conversation with your self.
Am I invites?
Yeah, maybe our hate of Bush is more intense because…
It had nothing to do with Iraq. Remember, “Shrub”, and Jonathan Chait?
It’s not a line. A line would be, “you’re a classic example of the inverse ratio between the size of the mouth and the size of the brain”.
Besides, even “Shut up” is approximately 70 times witter than posting a picture of the woodland creatures from Bambi with the caption “LOL AL GORE LOL”.
the caption “LOL AL GORE LOL”.
Oh, really? Is that what you saw?
Hmmm.
Wilbur: Hope you enjoyed the conversation with your self.
Ha. Gotcha, didn’t I?
It’s the cookies, ain’t it?
Sure, Frank, you’re “invites”, though I doubt you have much of interest to add to the conversation.
And what does proving you’re an idiot help?
Maybe, wilbur, you can answer this question for me: Why am I the only poster on this blog (and maybe in the blogosphere) that has his own stalker? What the hell did I ever do to deserve nimrod gently?
As to your question, I don’t viscerally hate Sen. Clinton. I know I don’t dislike her nearly half as much as some of the people on this blog hate Pres. Bush.
I know there are people who don’t like Pres. Clinton, and I’m one of them, but he is not the reason I don’t like her.
I don’t like her, because I know what she believes — she was First Lady for eight years! She’s my state senator, and she won with lots of money and name recognition, against a weak candidate.
She had campaign posters with “Hillary!” on them plastered all over the place. She ran on a Party line set up for her, so you could vote for her without voting Democratic.
As for why people supposedly hate her, I have no idea. As for why people hate Pres. Bush, they’re just childish.
whoa, that big ape dude is kind of scary. he sure has a bad case of clinton derangement syndrome, doesn’t he?
I thought “S” was your stalker.
Oh, wait, you’re just a crazyman.
NG: Maybe I have two stalkers. Maybe you’re “s”. You’re psychotic and simpleminded enough. I can’t tell you apart.
To the extent that you have “stalkers,” Frank, it’s probably because they get a kick out of seeing you rise to the bait. It is totally within your power to deny them that pleasure.
I’m sure there are a lot of people that viscerally despised Bush from the get-go. I think the same’s true for just about any candidate. Many of us, though, myself included, waited until we had some damn good reasons. Nothing childish about that.
Now since you, like me, can’t think of a good reason why people should despise Hillary so much, maybe we can advance some working hypotheses to explain it: childishness? sexism? bone-deep neurosis? Combination of the three?
>> Now since you, like me, can’t think of a good reason why people should despise Hillary so much, maybe we can advance some working hypotheses to explain it: childishness? sexism? bone-deep neurosis? Combination of the three?
Oh puh-leeze. Defenders of Hillary Clinton like Wilbur here truly crack me. That’s because you’ll continually play the same cards that you just did over and over and over again. You’ll claim not liking Hillary is “childishness”, as if that’s somehow an actual intellectual defense. When that doesn’t work, you’ll cite “sexism” and that people who don’t love her must obviously be “anti-woman”, which would be another laughable assertion. And when all else fails, you’ll fall back on saying it’s a “neurosis” — which frankly doesn’t have ANY basis for support or argument. A neurosis about what? That she wears cotton? Scientifically and logically speaking, what the hell could there even BE a neurosis over?
The problem with Hillary supporters is that they just don’t get it. They literally refuse to see just how many people DON’T like her for all sorts of reasons. I loved how Oliver accused me of being “deranged with Hillary hate.” Really? Gee, I guess that puts me in rather large company since Hillary’s DISAPPROVAL rating nation wide — which as I noted earlier, would be all those states that actually connect New York to California and which actually make up the United States — are actually equal to or higher than her actual approval numbers. So I guess we’re ALL deranged, right? Literally millions upon millions of people have “just got it wrong” when it comes to Hillary, right?
At which point Hillary backers always make the same one-two punch mistake. First, they’ll try to convince you that you’re just not seeing the big picture — you’re just not seeing how wonderful she truly is — yet when you stand your ground and simply say “Well, I don’t agree with Hillary on such-and-such an issue. I don’t think that’s the proper position to take at all”, THEN they get all blustery and red-faced and yell “You just hate women! You just have Clinton neurosis! F*ck you! You’re too stupid to face the truth!”
Riiiiiiiight. Because THAT tactic is sooooo intellectually sound and is really going to convince people to change their opinions about her.
Years and years ago there was a classic Elvis album entitled “50,000,000 fans can’t be wrong.” But to the Hillary lovers, EVERYONE is wrong if you’re not kissing her butt. Sheesh, and to think they call us “Bush bots” for blindly following along. What a total CROCK.
We’ll see how your prediction holds up ollie…..
I was a proud member of the Reagan Revolution, and know a thing or two about presidential campaigns. What is happening now is that the democrat party is siphoning its donors dry and spreading the wealth out. The lefties will spend that money sniping at each other for the next year. By the time there is a candidate, people will have spent their money, and won’t feel like ponying up again (except of course for the rich hollywood limosine liberals…).
In the meantime, the republicans have kept their powder dry and are watching to see who is going to go the distance. Once a candidate is declared, the money spigot will open…
By the way, if you haven’t read it alreay, I highlyl recommend “The Great Shark Hunt” by Hunter S. Thompson for a wonderful look into the 1972 presidential campaign….lots to be learned through the gimlet eye of old HST…..
>They literally refuse to see just how many people DON’T like her for all sorts of reasons.
Like what? As is usual in your manifestos, lots of bluster, no content.
Big Ape: I’m not defending Hillary. She’s not my 1st choice for the nominee. I just find the phenomenon of HDS interesting. Talk to someone who is not fond of Bush and they’ll have no trouble giving you a long list of rational reasons for their anger based on what he has done in (to) the office of the presidency.
In the endless fountain of words you have spewed on this thread you have yet to offer one.
If Dr. Freud were here he’d be scratching his beard and going “hmmmm…. werry eenteresting…”
Pedro: I must admit you do a great job making that sh*t sandwich look like filet mignion, but you still have to eat it.
Grin while you do that.
Hillary has survived decades of BIG money spent by the VWRC to demean, demonize, and destroy her.
She has survived, al that is left is an uneasiness about her.
She has answered critics with her hard work, her integrity in office, and the people of her state are so crazy about her they can’t decide whther to share her with the country or not.
As to whether she can win in Alabama or Utah, who cares?
Dems can win the Presidency in ‘08 without a single Bush red state if they have to.
But they can’t win if they run as Liebermans.
Libermen?
Excellent!
Good work, Nim.
How about “Lieber Üntermenschen”?