Shades of Poppy Bush.
Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani hasn’t done a lot of grocery shopping lately — at least based on his answers about the cost of milk and bread.
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“A gallon of milk is probably about a $1.50, a loaf of bread about a $1.25, $1.30,” he said.
A check of the Web site for D’Agostino supermarket on Manhattan’s Upper East Side showed a gallon of milk priced at $4.19 and a loaf of white bread at $2.99 to $3.39. In Montgomery, Ala., a gallon of milk goes for about $3.39 and bread is about $2.
I’ve been on my own as an “adult” of sorts for about 11 years and I don’t think I’ve ever seen milk for $1.50!
Milk is regularly on sale for $1.68. Otherwise we can get it from the local market for $1.99.
Same with bread, $1 (or less at the bread outlet) on sale, $2.00 or so when not or $2.99 for a fresh baked 2 pound pumpernickel at the bakery where I occasionally buy Kolachis.
Damn it midderpidge… keep quiet! If O-Dub says that HE’S never seen milk for $1.50 in the last 11 years then that’s all the proof we need that Giuliani is out of touch.
Are you trying to harsh his buzz or something?
Milk is regularly on sale for $1.68. Otherwise we can get it from the local market for $1.99.
Check your quantities. A gallon of milk may be on sale for $2.75 but it’ll usually be $3 or more.
Bread–he does better. You can find store generic white bread on sale for $1.50.
Maybe where you live. Believe me, my family goes through at least 4 gallons of milk a week. I know the price, I watch the grocery ads for the sale prices. Every other week milk is on sale, it usually alternates between the Giant Chain and the Spartan Stores. Regular price at my local super giant market is $2.89, then sale price $1.99, then back to $2.89, then 3 gallons for $5.00. Costco was regularly $2.09-$2.39 (up from $1.89 - $2.09 last fall) depending on fat content. And my local market sells milk for $1.99 for FF and 1%, $2.19 for 2% and Vitamin D.
Of course, I don’t live in New York City.
I second midderpidge’s claim.
Rudy would not do very well on The Price is Right.
Rich guy doesn’t do his own grocery shopping? = not news.
Isolated asshole with authoritarian tendancies and close professional ties to mob-related criminals? Bigger story.
Does anybody here–Midderpidge, et al.–honestly believe that Rudy comparison shops? Or are you just being douchebags?
I’ve been shopping for myself for more than fifteen years and I cannot recall a gallon of milk costing less than $2.
Bread’s another story. But a loaf of national brand stuff regularly costs $2.29 and up. Store brand goes for less–but not for $1.25.
So what. Does Hillsy or Obama tread the aisles of Wal-mart grocery shopping?
Manufactured outrage BS.
I’m sure Rudy doesn’t comparison shop to save pennies off his milk and bread. So what? It’s not like any president does.
Anyway, Sam’s Club regularly had gallon jugs of skim milk for less than $2 until last year (it’s now at about $2.40). Major grocery stores STILL sell gallon bags of skim milk for less than $2. He’s really not that far off. By the way, in NYC most people by milk by the half-gallon. It seems more likely that he was making a size error, rather than a price error.
$1.50 isn’t off for a cheap loaf of bread.
It’s a stupid subject. I’ve seen it pointed out, however, that the price of milk has been a question that has faced other politicians running for president in the past. Why was Guiliani so unprepared for it? He should have either been briefed on approximate prices or said something like “I’m more concerned with the price of a gallon of gas.”
midderpidge: You don’t expect a politician to act like anything other than a politician, do you?
These guys, lefties and righties alike, don’t do grocery stores — they have wives or Guatemalan maids for that.
Incidentally, Reagan had a great line in his campaign against Carter: “It’s getting so a shopper standing in front of a head of lettuce at the supermarket, with a dollar, might as well eat the dollar”.
Manufactured outrage BS
That’s O-Dub’s forte. You gotta keep beating the “Republicans are Stupid and Evil” drum if you want to stay on Media Matter’s radar.
Major grocery stores STILL sell gallon bags of skim milk for less than $2
Dude…Where do they sell milk in bags?
Why didn’t Guilliani’s campaign prepare him for that kind of foreseeable question?
Also, the Reagan Administration classified Ketchup as a vegetable, his judgement on nutritional standards was suspect.
Dude…Where do they sell milk in bags?
Sam’s Club. And/or if you get it direct from the distributor.
Rampant Speculation: It’s possible, POSSIBLE, Guliani mis-interpreted the question and gave the price for a quart because that’s the size normally used in his household.
Better take him to a supermarket and check out one of them new-fangled scanners just to be sure.
Are you sure Rudy didn’t say “$9.11″ like he does for everything else?
the Reagan Administration classified Ketchup as a vegetable
Wrong. A memo came from a midlevel employee at USDA, asking if ketchup could be classified as a vegetable for purposes of determining the nutritional value of school lunches (given the proclivity of school kids to subsist on a diet that runs the gamut from cheeseburgers to pizza).
The story might have ended there, but the anti - Reagan press (there was still no “liberal bias” in the press /sarcasm) wouldn’t let it rest — some more credulous lefties believe it to this day.
So the Reagan administration wanted to classify Ketchup as a vegetable, but were forced to withdraw it under intense criticism. Thanks for clarifying that.
French Fries have been classified as a fresh vegetable under the current Bush administration.
midderpidge: You are a veritable cornucopia of misinformation and misinterpretation.
I hear Speaker - in - Chief Pelosi is planning on going to Iran. Please go with her.
It’s your article, you linked it, don’t blame me if it has misinformation in it.
Of course the Bush admnistration also decided the word “Hunger” was too inflammatory so children who don’t get enough food now have “low food security”.
Frank, I understand that you have no confidence in Bush’s abilities in diplomacy. I, however, have no experience in international diplomacy and would be of little help to Speaker Pelosi. You should look elsewhere for someone to aid Pelosi in solving the Iran dilemma. Maybe Richardson can parlay his recent North Korea successes.
I, however, have no experience in international diplomacy and would be of little help to Speaker Pelosi.
Neither does she — you’d be a matched pair. You could regale her with made - up stories about Iran, and she could pretend Israel wants peace with them ay any price.
“Low food security”, as a measurement, increases the number of people reported to have difficulty feeding themselves.
Once again, you have confused “day” for “night”. Your Speaker needs you!
Are you sure Rudy didn’t say “$9.11″ like he does for everything else?
Nice.
Frank, if you really want me to join the Bush diplomatic corps you’ll need to front the million dollars in donations I’ll need to meet Bush administration ambassadorial job requirements. If I could take the loyalty oath, I could be in charge of Iraq reconstruction.
Difficulty feeding themselves. Like pilot Ted Stryker’s drinking problem huh?
This is the administration that tried to re-classify fast food employment as manufacturing to cover job losses in the manufacturing sector.
Midder, they are looking for a War Czar. I hear they pay really well.
Like pilot Ted Stryker’s drinking problem huh?
ROFL
No thanks, I don’t want to be the one responsible for telling the troops their tours of duty are being extended.
midderpidge: You are an endless font of unsubstantiated allegations.
And the last thing I want you to do is join the Diplomatic Corps. That would require a college diploma, and Speaker Pelosi can’t wait 12 years for you.
She needs you now.
Oh, yeah, I’m glad that you and Duros think it’s funny that people have trouble regularly feeding their families.
MSNBC could use guys as funny as you two, now that they’re firing Imus.
Yeah, Frank, I think it is time to spend that 12 years. Tell me, though, was it worth it for you? Did that certificate from Sally Struthers University help you get gainful employment in the Gun Repair field?
Hunger is horrible. I think it is shameful trying to hide it behind silly terms like “Low Food Security”. Shame on you.
midderpidge, I’m sorry, but you’re just being a jerk.
I’m in graduate school, and you’re just rambling like a Saturday night drunk.
There is nothing funny about hunger, but the two clowns laughing about it were you and Duros.
How dare you blame me for your juvenile display!
“Low food security” may be a silly term to you, but that’s because of your own ignorance of the subject, not because of anyone’s callousness.
Go look up +USDA “low food security” site:gov, before you continue any longer to make a fool of yourself.
I notice Duros has figured out what is going on, and left you alone. Good for him.
I’ll save you the ’struggle’, you ignorant buffoon:
http://tinyurl.com/yu6dyy
I don’t see any particular benefit in disassociating “hunger” from public discourse and replacing it with “Low Food Security”. “How many kids go to bed hungry” actually means something to the average AMerican. “How many kids go to bed with low food security” means something to social workers.
“Anti-hunger advocates say the new words sugarcoat a national shame. “The proposal to remove the word ‘hunger’ from our official reports is a huge disservice to the millions of Americans who struggle daily to feed themselves and their families,” said David Beckmann, president of Bread for the World, an anti-hunger advocacy group. “We . . . cannot hide the reality of hunger among our citizens.”
Dumbass.
We . . . cannot hide the reality of hunger among our citizens
What’s it going to be, genius?
Can we or can’t we?
Do you really think people are so stupid, that they can’t distinguish between “hungry”, as in “not eating”; and “low food security”, meaning you can’t be sure where you’re next meal is coming from, OR you’re not in a position to feed yourself or your loved ones properly?
Since you’ve probably never experienced either, I guess you have no idea what it’s like for people who have.
Two things spring to mind, O anencephalic one:
1) People probably don’t understand exactly what the problem is that Americans face trying to feed themselves and their children. Saying “Children go to bed hungry” isn’t accurate. It is, therefore, not helpful.
2) And if “Children go to bed hungry” was such a clear call to action, then how come the number has gone up to around 35 million?
There is something worse than being a dumbass, you know…
It’s thinking you’re smart and being a dumbass.
Frank, you just don’t seem to understand the opposition to this change in terminology.
How do people know from a report that 11 million people don’t have enough food and experience hunger when you
eliminate the familiar term “hunger” (food insecurity with hunger) with “very low food security”. Same with the 35 million that have trouble putting food on the table regularly when you change “Food Insecurity without hunger” with “Low Food Security”.
Many feel the change was the government attempting to cover the fact that 11% of the population in the wealthiest country in the world, have trouble getting enough food and that about 3% experience hunger.
Add the fact that the government has started delaying issuing the annual reports until after elections. You start to reinforce the idea that the government might be embarrassed by this failing.
Got it now ignorant one?
midderpidge: I understand perfectly well “the opposition to this change in terminology.”
I understand it perfectly well.
You need to read my previous comment again, to see how much of it you repeated, even though you expressed your opposition.
You also need to recognize that the change in terminology did not have its origin in government, and that it serves a greater purpose than saying, “X amount of people are hungry”.
If you wish to continue this conversation, you have merely to explain why all the issues raised in this link are less important than the simple statement, “people are hungry”.
Further, you can,if you wish, explain why organizations like Bread for the World can’t continue to use the word “hunger” or “hungry”.
And I will dispense with the insults if you will.
Frank, I couldn’t find any CNSTAT specific recommendation to eliminate the term “hunger”
There were recommendations that the statistics and such be more fully explained. That hunger questions on the surveys include definitions of hunger.
It seems odd to me to divorce the word “hunger” from a survey whose primary purpose is to provide a measurement protocol for estimating the national prevalence of hunger.
Food Insecurity and Hunger in the United States: An Assessment of the Measure (2006)
Enjoy!
And the specific recommendation I asked for is where?
Enjoy! Because it isn’t there.
And the specific recommendation I asked for is where?
The specific recommendation you asked for?
Are you kidding?
Who the hell are you, the schoolmarm?
It was on the front page of the link I gave you Apr 12, 2007 11:50:16 AM
What the hell is wrong with you?
You’re scaring me.
So now find the CNSTAT specific recommendation for the new labels. Note the USDA does not say it changed the labels to what the CNSTAT panel recommended.
WHat does this remind me of:
” The CNSTAT panel:
* Recommended that USDA continue to measure and monitor food insecurity regularly in a household survey
* Affirmed the appropriateness of the general methodology currently used to measure food insecurity
* Suggested several ways in which the methodology might be refined (contingent on confirmatory research). Research on these issues is currently underway at ERS.
The CNSTAT panel also recommended that USDA make a clear and explicit distinction between food insecurity and hunger. ”
Mary Ellen Smithbottom
Jonathon Alderman Crapho
John Jacob Jingleheimerschmidt
F. DISALLE
Three of these four are guaranteed finalists in the Publisher’s Clearing House Sweepstakes! But only if they return their entry forms.
“The CNSTAT panel also recommended that USDA make a clear and explicit distinction between food insecurity and hunger.” Which the USDA did by eliminating the term Hunger.