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First John Edwards took the lead, now Barack Obama.
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, will be the second Democratic presidential candidate to boycott a proposed debate to be broadcast by Fox News Channel.
“CNN seems to be a more appropriate host,” an Obama campaign aide tells ABC News.
Don’t feed the Fox Noise Channel.
UPDATE: Sen. Clinton is out too.
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The obiligatory FNC Obama bashing will begin at any minute
The narrative that I am sure John Gibson and pals will spew over the next few days is that Obama is somehow un-electable in the Black community b/c he wont do a CBC debate.
Chalk up another loss for the RW Propoganda network….
thoughts pedro and frank….never mind
It’s too bad these guys are so afraid of a little criticism and truly tough questions. Seems to me that if they really are interested in a broader base they would take every opportunity- even if it is seen as hostile territory.
A question for those of you who support this move by Obama and Edwards. What problem do you have with prior debates where Fox News or Fox personalities have been involved? Anything that candidates could not overcome? Or does your visceral hate for Fox News overcome that?
Also- is there a problem when the only viable African American candidate ever (in my opinion) boycotts a Congressional Black Caucus debate because of where the debate will be televised? Not in the Black Community, of course- most of us will vote for Obama no matter what he says or does anyway. Will the CBC just give him a ‘pass?’
Its not criticism, Marty, it’s out and out distortion and propaganda. There’s nothing wrong with Democrats being subjected to tough scrutiny. Fox is a propaganda network, its an outpost of the Republican party. The CBC gave up a while ago on actually representing the issues of the black community versus cronyism.
In the immortal words of Bill Maher, “P-ssies!”
“Go on there. It’s just Chris Wallace. If you can’t stand up to Chris Wallace, can you stand up to the terrorists, let alone the Republican Party? Take it to their house. Win an away game.”
It’s just chickensh-t pandering to the left. And it gives Fox some free pub- Democrats too afraid to appear on Fox!
But comical, nonetheless.
This confirms CNN is and always has been a liberal network.
I can only hope that go-along, get-along Repubs say develop some nadds and screw the CNN and debate only on Fox.
It would be a great gain for conservatives if big media were to split 50-50. We would gain several networks.
Well except that cons don’t face the hostile atmosphere on CNN that they do on Fox. CNN is a legit – flawed – news channel. Fox is the same as Rush Limbaugh, etc.
It was pandering before to treat Fox as if it was legitimate.
…it gives Fox some free pub- Democrats too afraid to appear on Fox!
I’m sure that’s how it will be spun. Fox is a schoolyard bully. Attention whores. It saddens me that folks like Nancy Grace and Glenn Beck make it off the plantation and get taken seriously by others when they are just as fascist as the Foxs’.
I can see it now:
“Senator Hussein, excuse me, Obama, when did you first decide to become a liberal democrat? Was it after your time at a Radical Muslim Madrassa or before the al-Qaeda attacks of 9-11?”
Marty | Apr 9, 2007 5:30:01 PM
“It’s too bad these guys are so afraid of a little criticism and truly tough questions.”
Between peals of belly laughter, I couldn’t help look back fondly on how The Decider has responded to years of ‘a little criticism’ and ‘truly tough questions’.
“CNN is a legit – flawed – news channel.”
Same with MSNBC. I can never tell with people like Scarborough or Matthews. They at least will have cons and libs on, but they suck up equally shamefully to both.
Well, Democrats are the party of “cut and run.” Par for the course.
It’s too bad these guys are so afraid of a little criticism and truly tough questions.
Well, Democrats are the party of “cut and run.” Par for the course.
Adorable. Do you guys get these in an e-mail or something?
They’re doing over a half-dozen debates with numerous networks and sponsoring organizations according to the latest proposed schedule. If you truly believe Fox News is the only network you feel will have “tough questions” then you’ve confessed much more about yourself than you’ve proven about the Democratic candidates.
I’m sure they’re all weeping over how your perception of cowardice on their part will change your mind about voting for them.
can you imagine the squall of indignation if the white house decided not to allow a liberal reporter?
Check a couple of strings down about how “asking tough questions” is good for america.
Do you liberals have to have someone tell you what face you have on every day, just so you can decide what your “opinion” is going to be?
How’s that Republican Air America debate coming along?
As for a FOX debate, it would be a debate coverage followed by biased debate analysis.
What did you think of the debate Sean Hannity?
Well, you know Bill, I don’t think America is ready to surrender the State of New York to Iran yet.
Yes, Sean, I think it was clear that voting for any of these democrats would be an endorsement for nuking Washington DC. How did you view the debate Rush?
Like Sean said. If any of these candidates were elected we might need to learn to speak Iranian. As to the individual candidates, Hitlery’s plan to arrest all of the priests and close the churches seemed out of touch with AMerican voters. Osama, excuse me Bark Hussein Osama, I did it again, Obama’s call for hte execution of all our troops as war criminals shouldn’t sit well either. As for Edwards, I got distracted by his gleaming teeth whenever he spoke.
Too true Rush. Alan any thoughts.
Well, Bill, I thought the debate went really well, and the unpopularity of President Bu…
Thanks Alan, but its time for a commercial.
Didn’t air america go bankrupt?
If the Democrats choose to stay away from the highest rated cable news channel, and not get their message heard, straight out, by conservative viewers, I say, “Great!”
Let them go lie on CNN, and preach to the choir.
That’s the way to win votes: Appeal to the people that will vote for you if you choke a kitten.
Ah, the liberal mindset!
This is just more evidence that they have a role in government, but they should never be allowed to rule.
How’s that Republican Air America debate coming along?
You’d get more listeners on a kid’s walkie talkie. Plus, there’s the whole thing about this being the 21st Century. Radio hasn’t been a viable debate format since ‘60.
Skipping a FOX debate tells me this election, more than others past, will be about pandering to respective bases, not fighting for the middle. That hasn’t worked for Democrats since 1964, but hey, what’s a few decades?
Noone’s brought it up yet, so I will. Democrats are willing to talk with Syria but not FOX?!?
The indignation is so fucking false. “How DARE the Democrats refuse to appear on the network that has spent the last six years calling them terrorist sympathizers and family wreckers and all manner of anti-American? They should come back and take their medicine.” It’s like bad Lifetime drama–with an abusive husband who can’t understand why his bruised and battered wife finally decided to change the locks and get a restraining order.
Boo-hoo, Fox News. Sow and you shall reap.
The shrieking emanating from the Bushbots on this topic is all the evidence one needs to see the agenda behind the network.
What’s worse, they know it.
They just can’t admit it to themselves.
They KNOW Fox is going to mock anyone to the left of Pat Robertson.
They KNOW it’s as soulless and ugly as they themselves are, but can’t bring themselves to see it, so they imagine it truly is a bastion of balance and decency, and it is merely everyone else on earth that is a demented lib’rul hippy atheist islamofascist.
They love their Fox network. Yes they do. It makes them feel like they’re not the vicious scumbags they actually are. The fact that there’s an entire network out there dedicated the same brand of hateful bile they themselves feed off of like mother’s milk gives them a sense of legitimacy.
But people are finally wising up to this awful scheme, and the rightards are shrieking BLOODY MURDER over the fact that people are finally calling it like they see it, instead of pretending there is ‘balance’ where there is only hateful right wing invective.
…in the face of such ferocious opposition (colloquially known as ‘logic’), they’ll do like they always do. Cry victim, and when that fails, muddy the waters.
They’ll try dredging up scandals where there are none. Denounce the opposition as traitors and appeasers. Engage in world class projection of all their ugliest traits, of which there is no shortage, all in their attempts to dehumanize their opponents.
In short, they’ll act like the good little authoritarian cultists that they are.
And pray for a putsch.
This is nothing more than a bone thrown to people like Jody, Oliver et al. The majority of Americans don’t even watch Fox News, so most people are going to shrug at this little stunt.
Oh and that’s all it is: a stunt. Anybody who believes these people backed off from this debate on principal alone is delusional.
Wow, Jody.
You speak of “hateful?” Did you actually carefully read what you just wrote before you hit the post button?
The irony of your entire statement is almost cartoonishly, in a Saturday Night Live sort of way, funny.
Talk about projection…
But, hey… you know. I’m just a “viscious scumbag.”
Nope, we are declining the opportunity to legitimize the RNC’s propaganda channel.
In your wet dreams. They may not be as blatantly partisan as Fox, but their coverage of Pelosi’s trip was straight from the RNC playbook.
Been in Iraq with dugs, have ya?
Like Cheney going on Fox and Rush, or Bush never answering a tough questioner in the US?
Is there any facet of government that the Republicans have not fouled up: FDA, FCC, FEMA, DoJ?
Bushbots are soooo lame.
This is just more evidence that they have a role in government, but they should never be allowed to rule.
Yeah b/c Republicans have done such a great job of governing over the past 6 years of GWB’s presidency
so to Jays excellent point….
the democrat party doesn’t want to “legitimize” Fox, but doesn’t mind legitimizing Syria?
Wow, what a fucked up set of values…
the democrat party doesn’t want to “legitimize” Fox, but doesn’t mind legitimizing Syria?
If Nancy Pelosi had gone to Syria in order to stand there and have Assad tell her that she was a disgusting western whore who should be at home pre-chewing her grandchildren’s food then you might have a point.
That would be comparable to a democrat appearing on Fox.
Still, while I’m shedding no tears over the failure of the debate, I would have liked to see the dems go on Fox – with each of them prepared to turn the predictable bullshit wingnut questions into a forum on right-wing media bias.
Pedro -
Disregarding the fact that Republicans went to talk to Syria as well as Nancy Pelosi, the point of that conversation is that Syria can still be reformed. It wasn’t always a “terrorist state,” you know. It is possible to change a country without tearing it apart first. Not every Syrian, for example, is out to get you, and those are the ones we need to encourage and support.
Fox News was designed as a weapon to use against liberals and Democrats. You can’t reform that. Everybody in the network is beholden to the agenda that “Democrat=The Enemy” and for Edwards, Obama, et al to pretend otherwise is illogical.
I’m sure Fox will have many opportunities to just make shit up about whoever they decide to aim at that week; all that’s happened here is that they’re not being given free footage to edit and “analyze” as they see fit.
Fox is not a real network. For all its faults, Syria is a country that exists in the real world. I don’t know what brand of stupid one has to take to compare a propaganda news network to a country with actual live human beings, but you’ve guzzled it down.
…also, take notice of the way they latch on to unrelated elements of a statement in an attempt to paint themselves as the victim. As if people getting fed up with the same right wing bullshit which they consume by the trough-full is in some way victimizing. As if THEY weren’t the ones assaulting the core values of this nation.
See the way they deride the Fox boycott as the candidates throwing us ‘just another bone’, when Fox news has been doing nothing BUT lobbing bones, read meat, and assorted gristle to the base for years now.
…see how they latch onto casual insults tossed in dismissively, as if they were the whole point of the post. As if this somehow invalidates everything said prior. As if it makes Fox less biased.
…see how they try and change the subject, trying to dredge up phony controversy, trying to excoriate Democrats for going on a trip that Republicans themselves were on, and had in fact preceded. As if our government is a one party system, where only the party of the President is allowed to represent the country abroad. Provided he’s a republican, of course.
Somehow, after years of “Mission Accomplished” and Bush wrapping himself in the flag of September 11, the Dems are the ones guilty of engaging in politial theatre.
Somehow, after their incessant defending-no, their incessant CHEERING ON-of renditions to Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, illegal wiretapping, and every other act of unbelievable corruption, incompetence, and flat-out malice this administration has thrust upon this once great nation, SOMEHOW, WE ARE THE ONES WITH THE FUCKED UP VALUES.
Thats’ really all you need to know about Bush’s base. The tune really hasn’t changed for some time. Decades, really. But people are finally starting to hear the awful din for what it actually is.
Hopefully it isn’t too late.
Holy crap, Jody!
Enough with the Meth, already!
You’re ruining our your health!
Fox is not a real network.
The “reality-based” community strikes again!
What’s your take then on the Congressional Black Caucus? They continually set up these events on this “fake” network? Is the CBC fake too?
Fox is a fake news network. It abandoned any pretense at neutrality and has a biased Republican/regressive agenda. Plain and simple.
The CBC has its reasons for having Fox host a debate, and the candidates have legitimate reasons for skipping it. I think the ones skipping the debate should get together and rent a church hall across town and host a town hall style meeting that night.
The CBC lost my support the second they circled the wagons around William Jefferson. If they want to walk into Fox and pretend that they’re going to be given fair treatment by the spin machine, then they deserve what they’re about to get.
So oliver if fox is “fake” how do you explain their excellent ratings?
The democrats are more interesting in reforming syria than they are of “reforming” republicans? It is perfectly reasonable to attempt to convince a terrorist state that they are wrong, but your own countrymen, with whom you SHARE a nation aren’t worth the effort?
See my above reference to fucked up values….
Pedro, this is inane. OF COURSE we have more interest in reforming a terrorist state than we do in reforming a Republican propaganda machine.
The propaganda machine, left alone, simply spews out meaningless invective and makes celebrities out of sociopaths like Ann Coulter.
Syria, left alone, has much more consequence in the region and the world at large.
These Democrats have decided to stop playing blackjack in a crooked casino, and the casino is bitching because it no longer has them as marks. Again, boo-hoo.
Also, The Daily Show gets excellent ratings, and they at least have the integrity to admit they’re a fake news outlet.
So oliver if fox is “fake” how do you explain their excellent ratings?
Right-wingers think Jack Bauer is a real person too.
So oliver if fox is ‘fake’ how do you explain their excellent ratings?
John Stuart Mill explained it perfectly:
“Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.”
The ratings which have been falling concurrent with Bush’s approval ones?
NG: As usual, an untrue comment, unsupported by even a liberal blog…
The ratings which have been falling concurrent with Bush’s approval ones?
Hey, don’t forget the approval ratings of the Democrat-controlled Congress, which are still lower than Bush’s (33% vs. 38% for Bush) and with disapproval ratings that are higher (60% vs. 58% for Bush). Although in fairness to the Dems these numbers are slightly higher than the Republican-controlled Congress had last year (average 25% approval).
I guess the Democrats’ new slogan can be “We suck slightly less than the Republicans!”.
What, no-one rushed to agree with me within half an hour so I must be lying? Fox’s ratings are less healthy than they used to be, and so’s your precious worthless President’s. It’s difficult to seperate the two at the best of times, so I imagine the two are related.
Bush has been president for six years. That’s as opposed to months. Besides, I’d rather my politicians did what was right that what was popular anyway.
“Besides, I’d rather my politicians did what was right that what was popular anyway.”
Nimrod, if you find one of those politicians, Democrat or Republican, please let us know.
Fox’s ratings are “less healthy”? Not so much.
Q1, 2007.
“Fox News Channel climbed from the eight spot a year ago to No. 4, averaging 1.6 million viewers in prime, an increase of 8 percent. The news net also upped its core 25-54 demo by 19 percent year-over-year.”
More:
“Cable Ranker: Week of April 2
Fox News Channel placed fifth in primetime on all of basic cable last week, according to Nielsen’s ranker. FNC averaged 1,449,000 viewers and a 1.3 HH rating, topped by TNT, USA, Discovery, and Turner. CNN placed #28 and MSNBC wasn’t in the top 30.
In total day, FNC ranked #10 with 773,000 viewers and a 0.7 HH rating. CNN placed #29 and MSNBC placed #30.”
Oliver, I think we should call the Aussie originated (yup, ain’t ‘murikan at all) org the Faux Noise Channel – ’stroking room temperature IQs since 1996).
Fox News Channel placed fifth in primetime on all of basic cable last week, according to Nielsen’s ranker
The only thing this says to me is that the 30-percenters spend an awful lot of time in front of their TV sets.
The rest of us have real lives.
I fail to see how “ratings” equals “credibility.”
American Idol still cleans up in the ratings and consistently fails to produce a genuine musical artist from its stable of “winners,” (although I admit a slight affinity for Kelly Clarkson).
Similarly, Fox “News” cleans up in the ratings and fails to produce anything but noise.
I would much rather see a debate on the Daily Show.
The majority of Americans don’t even watch Fox News,…
But..but.. they’re the highest rated Cable News outlet evar!
Duros: Not even close to funny…
“FNC averaged 1,449,000 viewers”
Number of Americans — about 300 million.
Yet they rated higher than any other Cable News Channel.