UPDATE: If you’re looking for Bill O’Reilly going nuts on Inside Edition, go here. The clip below is him arguing nuttily with Geraldo Rivera.
In the entire, dark, black history of Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor, this is probably the craziest clip ever. A young girl was tragically killed by a drunk driver. But this was not enough for O’Reilly. Instead, because the criminal was an illegal alien he added this incident to his ongoing crusade against the brown people. Luckily Geraldo was on the show and he – to his credit – called out O’Reilly’s xenophobia for exactly what it was. This drove Bill O’Reilly insane. I was almost certain he was going to reach across the table and hit Geraldo.
This is the leading face of cable news, right wing media, of the conservative voice in the media, and he’s a freaking psycho. The kicker, O’Reilly concludes his tirade by saying “this is reason”. Well, I guess that’s what passes for it in today’s MSM.
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News conference held in response to Bill O’Reilly’s criticism
The mayor and Tessa Trachant’s father both said that making an issue out of immigration loses the focus that the girls were killed by a man that police said was driving drunk.
Ray Trachant said, “We need to heal, and to bring immigration, that’s disrespectful to a family who’s just mourning.”
Searching for a word to describe someone who assists immigrants crossing the border, O’Reilly came up with “wetback” (2/6/03). The incident was explained away by Fox officials as an unfortunate gaffe (New York Times, 2/10/03), but the Allentown, Pa. Morning Call (1/5/03) had O’Reilly using the same racist term in a speech earlier in the year: “O’Reilly criticized the Immigration and Naturalization Service for not doing its job and not keeping out ‘the wetbacks.’” O’Reilly denied making the comment (Washington Post, 2/17/02), but the reporter stands by his account.
Apparently Bill O’Reilly would have been happy if the drunk driver had killed someone in another country.
Good point, referring to this as the MSM.
Please don’t call O’Reilly a conservative. He’s a pinhead and has some very idiotic positions (in my opinion) which are better suited for those of the liberal persuasion.
I’m a libertarian, free-market conservative…. and I’ve criticized O’Reilly for being a pinhead for quite some time.
One of the few topics which I’ve supported O’Reilly on is his position on Jessica’s law. Other than that, he’s a pinhead and the clip you’ve provided is only on demonstration of that.
Not that I watch O’Reilly, but once again Oliver goes overboard saying that he’s “insane.” Of course, this is the same Oliver who gets a woody when somebody on the left goes on a rant.
O’Reilly was very pissed off and quite frankly, I don’t blame him. Apparently, you guys are ok with an illegal alien getting sloshed, killing a girl and NOT being deported.
O’Reilly is loud and extremely opinionated and he yelled a little. So what? So did Geraldo, but I don’t see you calling him insane. But that’s only because he was opposing O’Reilly. At some point, Geraldo will say something or report something that is negative against a Democrat and you’ll bury him.
No, Jay, I get upset at a murderer when a child is killed. I don’t get upset at all [race] people when that happens. I don’t like Geraldo at all, but a busted clock is right twice a day. The idea that you make hay on immigration over something that’s already a tragedy is immoral. That’s the point. It’s about a dead child, not about O’Reilly wanting to seal off the southern border.
Apparently, you guys are ok with an illegal alien getting sloshed, killing a girl and NOT being deported.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen since O’Reilly said it.
Jay is right again. Jerry Rivers was just as wrong for saying that it had “Nothing to do with illegal aliens”.
Sure. No reason to be angry over the fact that a person that shouldn’t have even been here got drunk and killed a couple people with an automobile. If laws are enforced, those girls are alive. That’s the point.
Sounds more like this was that “brown person’s” war against an American citizen.
I’ve been a bit of a thorn in Oliver’s butt about this religion/atheism thing.
But I agree with him on most things.
fd10801 and Jay – you are both out to lunch. The sad thing is, you are both too blinkered to even see it.
BO is no insane. He is insensitive. The travesty is that BO abused the forum. He totally missed the point. The problem of drunk driving is independent of citizenship. My sister was killed by a drunk driver in 1997. I am incensed and insulted that he would trivialize this tragedy. He used the thread to make HIS point, and thanks to modern video technology his totally missing the point and rantings will go down in infamy.
Why is it that everyone in the world has more right to America than people who are born here?
The whole point of immigration is that we only want people who meet criteria that we set–like no criminal record. The man in question had apparently been convicted of drunk driving before in the Virigina city, then he walked free, but he was not deported. Drunk driving is a major public health danger in the USA and is entirely avoidable. It should get any legal alien deported, even more so for an illegal alien.
In this case, though, this man wasn’t deported. He kept living in the Virgina city because the city’s mayor declared the city a “safe zone” for illegal aliens. The primary duty of any public official is upholding the law. The purpose of that duty is to protect the safety of the citizens.
The mayor protected illegal aliens with the “safe zone.” Thus, this illegal alien was free to drive drunk again. The illegal alien drove drunk again. Consequently, innocent people were killed.
If drunk driving does not result in deportation of even illegal aliens, then we don’t have America. Instead we have a United States by, for, and of everyone in the world except the people of the United States.
O’Reilly is is highly incompetent,everybody knows that and I`d say he is just plain evil.But Geraldo showed him.He won the argument.I really don`t know what is Geraldo doing on FOX anyway.It is the most stupid an evil place in the Universe.
Bill has it right. You lost your damned mind if you think Geraldo is right or if you think you are going to understand the debate from this short clip. A drunk driver killed a girl, which is a tragedy. This could have been avoided. Pure and simple. Has nothing to do with a race of people, which some of you so ignorantly stated. This has to do with a judge not doing his job and two girls got killed. He should have been deported. Get off your foolish asses. End of story.
No, Jay, I get upset at a murderer when a child is killed. I don’t get upset at all [race] people when that happens.
This is the problem you can’t/don’t seem to understand, Oliver. O’Reilly isn’t upset at a specific race of people, he’s upset at ILLEGAL ALIENS, and a government that is NOT doing a thing about it.
Please stop confusing the two.
Give me a break you people.. O’Reilly isn’t that ‘conservative’.. he supports civil unions, said the iraq war is a mistake, is anti-death penalty, and thinks global warming is a problem.. doesn’t sound like a conservative to me.. the fact is, is since this guy was all ready arrested, he should have been deported the first time, and the 2 girls WOULD be alive.. wake up you idiots
I totally agree with JS. Had the natives who lived here in the 1600s had a stronger immigration policy and not allowed white gun-owning religious nutjobs into this country, those damn Europeans would have never committed the crime of genocide against them. Now, today, whites face the same threat, only instead of genocide, they face the risk of losing their low paying jobs, maybe forever. Keep fight for White European rights in America, Bill O’Reilly. You’ve and your fair skinned Christian brethen have been oppressed long enough.
Sure Bill’s OK he has a RIGHT to be mad..even if he does call Mexicans “Wetbacks”.Nothing racist about that,he’s just worried about people breaking the law is all…right.
If you read a transcript of this, it would be clear that BOR “won” the debate. The illegal alien should not have been here in the first place, and if he had not the deaths wouldn’t have occured.
In a recent screed, Jerry Rivers said we should allow Mexicans to resettle their former territory, simply because the Southwest is their former territory.
A useful thought experiment: who profits from making this just about drunk driving and not about illegal immigration? (As in, who does that help make money?)
And how many drunk driving convictions has George W. Bush had?
Just as relevant to the situation–which is to say, ir-.
“You lost your damned mind if you think Geraldo is right or if you think you are going to understand the debate from this short clip.”
What, he’s WRONG to argue that drunk driving is a problem? He’s WRONG to point out that a crime isn’t a worse crime merely because an illegal immigrant did it? He’s WRONG to point out that a lynch mob targetting brown people isn’t going to solve the problem?
For as much as people get riled up and self righteous about cries of “THEY TOOK OUR JORBS” or “ENFORCE THE LAW,” the outrage here is that A GIRL IS DEAD. She wouldn’t be dead if the guy wasn’t drunk and behind the wheel.
It’s outrageous that people are more angered by the fact that this guy was an illegal immigrant than that he was driving while drunk. It’s even more outrageous is that people treat this guy as though his crime is worse than that of other drunk drivers. That’s infuriating.
“The illegal alien should not have been here in the first place, and if he had not the deaths wouldn’t have occured.”
If he wouldn’t have been drinking, the death wouldn’t have occurred either.
However, CLEARLY illegal immigration is much more of a threat than drunk driving, right?
CJ:
You’re right. O’Reilly and the other Foxholes aren’t really conservative. They’re Republican. They will sell out conservatism, democracy and their mothers if they think it will please their Republican benefactors. Case in point: Mike Wallace said he thought Bush’s reelection showed how “fucked-up” America has become, so his own son, Fox’s Chris Wallace, said his father had “checked out.” Foxholes only dare to suggest Bush isn’t all that when they think doing so can help the Republican party.
Do you people REALLY want to saddle local police with the responsibility of figuring out someone’s legal status, possibly imprisoning – and starting deportation actions against – legal immigrants, purely by accident? How much of YOUR local police’s resources do you want diverted from violent and property crime for this purpose?
I’d suggest you ask an ICE officer or an immigration lawyer sometime about the complexities of immigration law, and THEN formulate an argument about turning our public safety officers into immigration officials. There IS a reason we have a whole Federal agency for that task.
That’s awesome! I hate both of those guys…
I would say that most of the illegals in this country are her working peacefully for buisnesses that have used those low wage jobs in their buiosness models. If they had to train and pay the taxes of regular citizens, their current buisness model would collapse. Most of the government action on this issue is intended to keep the status quo.
Anyone who thinks local sheriffs and police should be involved in deporting illegal aliens is basically arguing that they support, for example, allowing rapists to get away with their crimes as long as they rape illegal aliens. Imagine making a young girl choose deportation over reporting her own rape. That’s the result of what you’re advocating and all the whitewash in the world isn’t going to clean that stain of your dirty little souls.
I don’t care if they’re illegals, black, white, male, female, 15, or 50. Just don’t any of you idiots get the idea that it’s the fault of the booze industry. Why we spend 1.5% of our yearly profits advertizing that people should drink responsible. And don’t even try to point out that we spend 3.5% lobbying legislators to keep us from any liabilty or we’ll sue your prohabition loving ass.
Honey, can you pass me a cigarette.
Obviously, we never should have let the micks in. They just don’t understand America.
Obviously, we should never have let the micks in. I mean, look at this guy. They just don’t understand America.
Bill is a major nutjob! The main point in this tragedy is that a young girl died due to someone driving drunk. Being an illegal alien, white, black, or whatever is not the issue. Driving drunk is! To hell with the person’s race or status.
We had a similar incident in here in Charlotte – an illegal alien killed two teens while driving drunk. The local news went bananas for weeks with specials dedicated to the illegal alien problem in Charlotte.
A few months later a young white dude was driving drunk and killed a young lady. It wasn’t even the top story on the news! No helicopters – no “breaking news at 11:00, nothing!
I tell you the the godd**n truth the racism in this country makes me sick!
The mayor and Tessa Trachant’s father both said that making an issue out of immigration loses the focus that the girls were killed by a man that police said was driving drunk.
That’s hogwash! There is no such thing as “a focus” on drunk driving. The drunk who was doing the driving should not have been in this country.
If he is deported, they can do whatever they do to drunk drivers in his country.
Until the immigration laws in this country are changed, illegal immigrants are just that — illegal. I don’t care if they were lured here, or just accidentally strolled across the Rio Grande. They should be deported, at least. Any illegal alien that is found guilty of a crime should be deported, and not allowed a visa here for x amount of years, depending on the nature of the crime. If he is caught here again during that “no visa” time, he should be immediately transported to his home country, and never permitted to return.
If you want all the immigration laws repealed, do it the way liberals have always done it — go to the Supreme Court and have them declared unconstitutional.
Jeebus! We can watch Fitzgerald hound Libby into jail, but we can’t deport a drunk driver that killed somebody?
“Until the immigration laws in this country are changed, illegal immigrants are just that — illegal.”
ALL Drunk drivers, whether they are citizens or illegally inside the country, are “illegals” too you know.
If I were the parents and the illegal wasn’t deported after killing my child, I would be LIVID. Now, they’re being treated poorly for saying so and are backing off. At least O’Reilly (who I don’t normally like) had the guts to stand up to Geraldo. The law is the law. Geraldo wants a “New America” that looks like El Salvador. He lied when he said that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. The percentage of illegals in federal prison are almost 1/3 of the federal prison population(!). (Sounds astronomical – Google it.) 90% of the outstanding warrants on murder charges in LA are for illegal aliens. Somebody has to stand up and say, “enough!” when an ILLEGAL can drive drunk, kill a teenager and NOT get deported. Yes, I’m old enough to remember America. Not this “New America” after the illegal invasion beginning in the late seventies. I remember.
“Somebody has to stand up and say, “enough!” when an ILLEGAL can drive drunk”
Drunk drivers, whether they are American citizens or have illegally crossed the border, are by definition ILLEGALS.
nitpicker: Los Angeles has been using that same “logic”, resulting in skyrocketing gang membership. Only recently have they gotten some sense and now the city and county DA intend to work with ICE, over the objections of the mayor.
A useful thought experiment for “liberals” would be think through why people like mayor AntonioVillaraigosa really oppose working with ICE. Could it be because he thinks racial power is more important than public safety?
Valentinian: there’s an ICE program that’s nearly free ($500 per cop for a few weeks course or something) that trains jailers to help ICE with identifying illegal aliens. It’s legal and it’s free, and many jurisdictions use it.
Yet, some oppose it. Why would that be? I have ab$olutely no idea why some localitie$ would oppo$e it, do you?
Oliver,
If that’s not “losing your damn mind”, I don’t know what is.
O’Reilly may not be a conservative, but he is a shill for the formerly conservative Republican Party.
I’m surprised that Geraldo had the nerve to talk to O’Reilly like that on “The Factor”. I think Geraldo was arguing with reason, and Bill-O was just being his usual bullying self. He takes a position, no matter how ludicrous, and sticks by it with both guns blazing. Reminds of our current White House occupant.
Thanks for the post, as I don’t really watch Bill-O except as he appears on the “Worst Person in the World” segment with Keith Olbermann.
Many of you are missing the point in your quest to whip out the RACIST trope whenever the need arises to get a liberal warm and fuzzy feeling fix.
And Oliver, it wasn’t just one young woman. Two of them were killed and Allison Kuhnhardt’s parents were wondering why this guy wasn’t deported after his first DUI conviction. Going to attack them and call them racists too?
Why was an illegal alien allowed to remain in the country after a DUI conviction?
Can anybody answer that?
Cool! you live in a place where $500 plus room and board for “a few weeks… or something,” plus salary for “a few weeks… or something” equals “free” or at least “nearly free?”
That is AWESOME. I totally want to be a jailer in your town. What’s the 401(k) like, do you think?
Now if that guy had been here legally, he would never have gotten drunk and killed some one. Certainly, a US citizen would never do such a thing.
Well, if they were brown they might. But no upstanding citizen like BO or drug addicted Limbaugh, or drunk Bush would ever do such a thing. That’s the truth, and anyone who denies it should be locked up without a trial or shot. Got to obey the law or you’re dead meat, you hear boy? Be a real man like me, sitting here in my armchair. This is America. If you don’t like it, leave it.
“People who are deported for criminal convictions have either committed felonies or “crimes of moral turpitude,” including crimes such as murder, manslaughter, rape and most theft crimes, U.S. immigration law states.”
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=122201&ran=61852
You guys think deporting undocumented immigrants for jaywalking is something our local authorities should be spending their time on. I don’t.
I want cops on the street, not dicking around with Title 8, Chap. 12, Subchap. II, Part I, Sec. 1151 of the U.S. Code. Excuse me if that makes me a bleeding heart.
Somebody needs to bitchslap Bill.
Jay: the guy should have been gone, nobody is disputing that. It’s the same thing as when a convicted sex offender is released too soon and violates a child again. It’s sickening. But to somehow make this about illegal immigration is just so much xenophobia. It’s immaterial whether the guy was illegal unless you’re in the business of making a big deal of that. What matters is that two kids are dead from an S.O.B. who would be just as much of an S.O.B. if he was born in Des Moines, Iowa as he is for being born south of the border.
The link has more on the training I mentioned above that lets local cops help with immigrationenforcement. The “cost for the five-week program is approximately $520 per officer…” which, to even small cities is nothing.
Once again, why would “liberals” constantly support illegal immigration like this? Why do so many Democrat leaders have links to people with questionable links, such as to the governmentOfMexico and MexicanPoliticalParties? Are they confused over which country they’re supposed to be working for?
Wow. That’s quite a bit. It’s a shame that this is what public discourse has become.
That’s right, Bill… Only American citizens have the right to drive drunk and kill other Americans, dam@it!!
I don’t care who you are, conservative, liberal, Canadian, or whatever. You’ve gotta agree Billy boy is a giant turd.
This isn’t the first time they have argued on the air.
You all know that Bill gets paid to be mad, right?
It’s about inventing an issue. Hmm…speaking of making money off a tragedy…
This is reason? This is Sparta!
Now, on a more serious tone,… O’Reilly is a wacko. He is a leader of wackos, and is very close minded.
Those guys are both experts at stabbing the (hot) air with their fingers.
Re: Valentenian on “saddling” local police with figuring out people’s legal status
Every time local police arrest or stop someone, they run a computer check. Including a computer check for illegal alien status is simple.
Fewer illegal alien felons on the street would take a heavy burden off of local police.
You’d think that exchange would be enough to make Geraldo realize he’d sold his soul to the devil by working for Faux news.
If you want stricter laws for drunk drivers fight for them, lock ‘em up after the first conviction, fine with me. But I don’t want my children killed by a citizen drunk driver either.
in all honesty, it’s about drunk drivers. don’t drive drunk, you fucking morons! at the same time, it has a little to do with the fact that he was an illegal alien. i don’t care what race he is, but i care that he’s not a citizen, he committed a crime, and they didn’t kick him out. so in reality, he broke two laws and it’s not just ONE issue. I really don’t think O’riely is getting mad about race. I do think he goes a bit overboard, and Geraldo is correct in the fact that it is MORE about drunk driving than him being an alien. on the other hand, Geraldo was the same idiot that tried to air where our troops were in iraq, and i hate him for that. In conclusion, i say the drunk driver should be forced to drink until he pukes a vital organ out (no matter what race) and then that organ should be used to save a life with organ transplants. I’m pretty sure that would be his punishment in inferno. >:)
any time we want to stop illegal immigration, we can just throw the CEO’s who hire them into jail. and don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
Jeraldo is exactly right: illegal immigrants are lured here to work, and we want their cheap labor. both parties know this, and neither wants to do this, because no one wants to piss off big corporations that employ illegal aliens, specifically big agriculture.
any time any pundit every proposes any other ’solution’ to illegal immigration other than jailing or fining the CEO’s who hire them – that pundit is trying to manipulate you.
period.
I think there are a few things happened here.
a) drunk driving
b) illegal immigrant
c) girls are killed by illegal immigrant who drunk drive
1) drunk drive should be stopped
2) illegal immigrant should be deported
3) if drunk drive was stopped girls won’t be killed
4) if illegal immigrant was deported, girls won’t be killed
So, it seems Jerry was focus on stopping drunk drive while Bill was focus on illegal immigrant deportation.
Both has their points.
All bullshit aside….. this is what happens when Bill O’Reilly cannot “cut the mic”.
I hate both these douchebags……
All bullshit aside….. this is what happens when Bill O’Reilly cannot “cut the mic”.
I hate both these douchebags……
If an illegal immigrant saved many human lives or worked a miracle, it would be illogical to say “We need more illegal immigrants in this country.”
Why? Because the issue is the behavior of a single individual rather than the behavior of a group.
The same applies to unwanted behavior like reckless homicide. We cannot generalize to any group.
Geraldos remarks were logical. O’Reilly should shut up and listen to Mr. Rivera.
Bravo for Geraldo. O’Reilly, get a clue.
I guess it stands clear that if you put O’Reilly and Geraldo in the same room together, O’Reilly really is the bigger jackass. Credit to Geraldo for calling him out.
perhaps it would have been funnier to point out to BO that if abortion was more accessible, maybe this guy wouldn’t have been born in the first place and no crime would’ve been committed. yeah, that would have really set him off. it’s about as relevant as the guy’s immigration status.
either way, you’re positing a totally irrelevant hypothetical. even if he hadn’t come into the country illegally, who’s to say that he wouldn’t have found a way to come here legally? or maybe come here on vacation and kill the same girl? would we then be ranting about preventing foreigners from vacationing here?
or maybe we should be ranting about banning cars. after all, no car, no crime. does anyone see the flaw here?
That was surreal. I think a haint has inhabitted Jerry’s body.
HOW DARE ANYONE TO INSULT BILL ORIELLY…THE MICRO-MANAGER OF THE WORLD.
HE EVEN GIVES ADVICE TO “W AND TELLS HIM WHAT HE SHOULD DO WITH SOME CURRENT US PROBLEM .BUT LET`S GIVE HIM CREDIT FO BEING THE NO.-1 THE BEST SPIN-MEISTER THAT TELLS EVERYONE THAT “THE SPIN STOP HERE.” WHAT BALLS. THAT IS WHERE THE SPIN
ORIGINATES..MIGUEL
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Actually I found the argument kind of amusing because they both had a good point. Thanks for posting it. That said I don’t like Geraldo and Bill was acting like an egomaniac. The thing I hate about this kind of TV is they never talk about the victim, at least in a dignified way, it’s always about the perp.
To: “midderpidge”; I don’t think Bill would have been happy if it had happened in another country, but you’re right he would have been happier.
To:
BillO is desperate for viewers, I guess you posting this is exactly what he wanted.
He still sucks, though.
Driving while under the influence of alcohol, drugs (both illegal and prescription) is a tragedy waiting to happen. According to Wrap.org (http://www.wrap.org/strikeforce/06checkpoint_va_factsheet.pdf), there were 322 persons killed in DUI related incidents in the Commonwealth of Virginia in 2005. Not one of those incidents was brought to the attention of the viewers of Mr. O’Reilly on his Fox News program.
It should also be pointed out that it is not the responsibility of State and local governments to enforce immigration law. It is the sole responsibility of the Federal government, as mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. Why didn’t Mr. O’Reilly chastise the President for not deporting this person on his first DUI conviction? Why didn’t Mr. O’Reilly go after ICE for not doing their job?
One very simple answer: It is easier to make cheap political points by attacking local officials who have no power under the U.S. Constitution to enforce immigration law, than it is to attack the Federal government for not doing their job.
This case isn’t about illegal immigration. This case is about a guy who got drunk, drove and killed. Period.
I hate doing a second post, but I forgot to point out that I don’t think Mr. O’Reilly is a racist, but I do think he is an opportunist. I believe this clip just proves how opportunistic he is.
fd1081: “If he is deported, they can do whatever they do to drunk drivers in his country.”
That’s a great idea, Frank. Would you support the same program for suspected terrorists found in the US? If the FBI nabs some Saudis (19 hijackers, perhaps) on their way to blow something up, should we just send them back to Saudi Arabia, so they can do whatever they do to terrorists in their country?
Does that mean that the FBI would have to turn over all the evidence against them to the Saudi government?
A foreigner who breaks a law in the US should be punished in the US and then deported.
You all are a bunch of idiots including Bill and Geraldo.
You are in the final stages of apathy and almost into full dependency. Also, if your not into bondage, your going to hate the future.
You idiots are wasting whats left of your unbonded time watching these two idiots sword fight. If you want to do something about illegals, drunk drivers, radicals, etc. get up and DO SOMETHING. Your opinion and the media’s opinion does not matter to anyone, execpt for one’s self. But, all your views are very entertaining and gut wrenching funny. So, KEEP POSTING.
“Follow the leader and find the sea.”
PEACE
I remember when groups use to get up in arms about. Drunk Drivers.
Two girls are dead. But we get to beat up on O’Reilly. I guess if this is what makes you feel good these days.
Plus you didn’t show the whole clip, so we know where you’re coming from.
Laws are laws, that man, illegal or not should have been in jail.
But if an illegal drunk driver can take out two girls, but you can have a chance post a cherry-picked clip. if this is what passes for compasionate liberalism fine. Yuk it up all you want! And when Olbermann gets his cheap shot in tonight you can all sit around the t.v. and do a circle jerk in glee.
It doesn’t change the fact. Illegal or not, something I was taught by liberals that we should speak out against drunk drivers because our children might be next.
O’Reilly’s nuts
I’m confused
You got your yukes in.
Two girls are in the ground turning into worm food.
What happen to the compassionate liberal?
Hope the coffee tastes good this morning.
Jay said O’Reilly is loud and extremely opinionated and he yelled a little. So what? Jay hits this right. Two disclaimers: 1) Bill’s on the wrong side of the argument, and 2) these kinds of emotional displays make me uncomfortable. But my question is this: suppose Rosie O’Donnell, as an example, adopted Bill’s shout-down style (as she often does). Would there be a post here saying that she’d lost her damn mind? No. If one agrees with the tirader, they’re passionate. If you disagree with them, they’re nuts. Doesn’t that about sum it up?
The way the 2 looked at each other after the shouting was over, with a silly grin, made me wonder if the whole thing wasn’t staged to begin with.
Perhaps BO is simply borrowing a page from Rosie’s “10 Ways To Better Ratings” playbook?
“BillO is desperate for viewers, I guess you posting this is exactly what he wanted. He still sucks, though.”
“Desperate”? Uh, sorry, but a little news flash for you. Currently of the TOP 15 rated cable news broadcasts, Fox News holds 14 of those slots and the ONLY show from any other network that even managed to break into the top 15 was Larry King, and even he could only muster coming in at Number 8 or so, still not even cracking the top 5. So out of the top 15 rated news shows, Fox holds 14…CNN managed one… and MSNBC laughably has NONE.
Oh yeah, and the winner at Number One? Yes, you got it, O’Reilly — far and away the winner by a very substantial margin. But, hey, saying O’Reilly’s “desperate for viewers” is par for the course from those on the Left who like to convince themselves of the alternate reality they live in. I’m sure if I check back tomorrow you’ll equally be deluding yourselves by saying “Boy, Rosie is really looking slim these days!”
this is better than a cup of coffee.
Bill-o is a jerk. How he has a show is beyond. Look at how mad he got while Geraldo remains calm. Keith Olbermann is right, Bill-o is a lunatic.
Quick correction to people who keep calling Geraldo “Jerry” or “Jerry Rivers” — Geraldo didn’t change his name from Jerry Rivers. Check http://www.snopes.com. It’s an urban legend.
I’m no Geraldo fan, but I like to stop urban legends when possible.
As to the actual debate at hand…
You have to be KIDDING ME if you are actually siding with Geraldo’s crack induced viewpoint. This is basically his — and all open border proponents — truly laughable logic…
IF an illegal immigrant with a REPEATED CRIMINAL RECORD for abusing alcohol gets drunk yet AGAIN and then goes out and kills 2 innocent teenage girls with his car, it’s NOT about his illegal immigration status…it’s NOT about the fact that he shouldn’t have even been here in the first place…no, no, it’s ONLY about “drunk driving.”
Similarly, IF an illegal immigrant with a record for stealing gets caught redhanded robbing your house, it’s NOT about illegal immigration…it’s ONLY about “breaking and entering.” And IF an illegal immigrant with a violent past happens to sexually assault a woman or even kill someone — yep, you got it, it’s NOT about illegal immigration…it’s ONLY about “rape” or “murder.”
So basically it’s ALWAYS about the incident, yet magically NEVER about their illegal immigration status. Boy, rather convenient the way that works out, no?
Then again, the absolutely INSANE logic of the Open Border proponents is evidenced by those who are actually arguing — in a truly jaw dropping way — that if this illegal hadn’t killed these 2 poor girls that night, it WOULD have been someone else. Yep! Illegal immigration literally has NOTHING to do with this. That’s because to these deluded souls, this is all about “fate” because those 2 girls were PREDESTINED to get killed that night. After all, to the illegal immigrant apologist, if it hadn’t been Ramos killing them, it absolutely, positively would have been someone else! (Insert mocking Rodney Dangerfield eyeroll here)
Of course, the utter flip flopping HYPOCRISY of all this is that if a Hispanic/Latin American high school girl was class valedictorian but was also revealed to be an illegal immigrant, oh sure, THEN it’s not about “education”. No, no, then somehow it IS a story about illegal immigration, but only about how much illegals “contribute” to our society and how we should all accept them with open arms, no questions asked.
You know, I love when open border people spin. If you guys spun any harder in place, one thing’s for sure — we’d immediately solve the energy crisis because you’d all be striking oil pretty darn quick.
Gad, but I hate the “brown people” argument.
This is America. We are a melting pot by nature. Human beings of all races and ethnicities are to be regarded as equal. Our human nature has not always allowed this, but in the entire history of the globe, legally and politically speaking, there has been no society so encouraging and supportive of diversity.
That also means that everyone has — should have and must have — equal responsibility before the law. Whether the drunk driver who killed this little girl was “brown,” yellow, or white is immaterial. He killed her, it was wrong, and it is best for him and for our culture that he pay the consequences. See Martin Luther King: We should judge people not on the color of their skin, but on the content of their character.
(He was “brown,” was he not? More to the point, he was a humanist of rare insight.)
Mr. Rivera, and many of the posters here, are taking the position that this driver’s legal status should be disregarded. Postmodern nonsense. If he were a white person in the country illegally, and committed a crime, he should be deported immediately because he broke two laws. Same goes if he were black, Asian or any manner of Muslim. We are a nation of laws. We honor and respect one another, and enhance freedom and happiness generally, when we hold everyone to a standard of safe, responsible and legal behavior.
This “brown people” stuff is maudlin pandering. No one is better or worse, or should be regarded as special, due to his or her epidermal hue. To each according to his or her actions.
Whatever you think of O’Reilly, he’s right on this. Mourn the little girl, deport the man, and please ensure when possible that the people in the United States have not jumped the line, cheated, or broken our laws to get here.
Wow! Bill O’reilly tries to conflate one drunk driving immigrant with all illegal immigrants. I guess all those other drunk driving deaths in the state of Virginia aren’t important because they weren’t killed by someone south of the border, right?
Then after he’s called on being a racist BillO tries to blame the mayor for not deporting this man. Eventhough we know that Immigration is the responsibility of the federal gov’t.
He’s a demogogue looking for publicity. What a racist jerk.
Both of these guys are idiots. This Mexican guy was wrong on three counts: He was in this country illegally, he drove while intoxicated (not once, but twice), and he committed vehicular homicide the second time around. This guy should be deported after he serves his jail term, end of story. Should he have been deported after his first DUI conviction? Yes. For being here illegally…and for committing a crime here.
Is it an issue in the present case? Absolutely. If local law enforcement had communicated with the federal government, this guy would have been deported, and this tragedy may not have occurred.
Oh please! BillO doesn’t care one iota about these young women who were killed. He’s using this tragedy as a way to attack immigration.
Let’s be clear, there are 12 million undocumented workers in the USA. They didn’t just pop up over night, ok? Attacking illegal immigration in the manner in which BillO does is a new, “headfake” designed to distract people from real issues like Iraq, Iran, etc. just like gay marriage did in 2004.
I don’t understand the big deal about this.
These two guys are cartoons. They exist in a medium that thrives on style over substance and any arguments they make have that as an overriding principle.
I would hazard a guess that there are facts relevant to this case that they won’t address because it’s not good TV. Grey doesn’t look good in high-def — extreme colors do.
I feel awful for the families of the deceased because they’re faced with seeing this turned into a circus in addition to the pain of their loss. My sympathies go out to them for all reasons I mentioned.
I wonder what O’reilly would have said if the girl who was killed was an illegal alien, too. He probably would have thought it a gift from God.
Based on Falafel-Boy’s rhetoric you would think that the filthy brown immigrant brought his own dangerous alcoholic brew from the homeland just to get lit up and run over people.
“Steenkin’ Gringos! Your sheety Budweiser couldn’t get a fly high!”
Watching Falafel-boy and Jerry Rivers go at it is like watching a Cowboys / Eagles game -you root for injuries.
Over 9000, ( yes folks, that’s THOUSAND with a ” T ” ) Innocent AMERICANS
die every year in the United States of America by ILLEGAL IMMAGRANTS…
I think it is time that
congress should vote on a
” Pull Out ” of the United States immediately !
Bill may be an idiot at times as I don’t always agree with his position nor that he is as informed as he portrays. BUT, he’s right on this one. Yes it’s a drunk driving issue but the fact that this guy is a repeat offender and shouldn’t been here in the first place, especially after he broke the law is ridiculous. If he was allowed to stay here illegally, he should’ve definitely been deported after his second violation of the law (the first violation was him coming here in the first place). And this is an issue with illegals futher disrespecting our laws by driving drunk on our roads. Just Wednesday here in Los Angeles, CA another drunk driving illegal killed a father and a son on the road. As our laws become more and more laxed with regard to the illegal immigration issue, more illegals will feel free to break more laws. We need to overhaul and enforce the system. Here in LA we’re seeing the effects of illegal immigration in our streets with illegals joining and forming more gangs resulting in many dead and waring on the streets of LA. They’re also targeting blacks on the streets and forcing many out of their communities with threats and intimidation. I live in the valley and brown on black violent crime has been increasing at an alarming rate. There’s grafitti with the letters NK sprawled on walls and on the sidewalks. NK is short for NIGGER KILLER LA gangs usually spray-paint BK or CK for Blood Killer or Crip Killer, but now we’re seeing NK similarly. Those going about immigration the right way should be rewarded with citizenship and not thwarted by those who are having such a detrimental effect on society through the use and abuse of state resources. Our schools are suffering, our health care system is suffering, our country is suffering and it need to stop!!!
Bill O’Reilly is a bafoon, idiot, and more importantly a racist. He belongs in the looney bin with all the losers at FAUX news. Billo has no credible and makes no sense. And whe he’s losing a debate (which was very clear here) he goes nuts. Once again, conservatives has no place in america. Their agenda is always wrong, they make no sense and all of them are idiots. Bill is idiot # 1. Any that votes republican should leave america now!
>> “Just Wednesday here in Los Angeles, CA another drunk driving illegal killed a father and a son on the road.”
For the record, the two people killed were Bob Clark — who created the holiday cult classic movie A CHRISTMAS STORY — and his 22 year old son.
And, yes, the killer driving the other car WAS an Mexican illegal and WAS drunk as a skunk. But, hey, just like the sad case of the two teenage girls, I’m sure the Open Border Apologists will claim the Clarks’ time was simply “up” and the fact that the other driver was an illegal has NOTHING to do with the story. Nope! His status has NOTHING to do with the events at hand. It’s just another “drunk driving” story.
Given the Bob Clark Hollywood connection, I’ve suddenly realized in movie terms who the Open Border, pro-illegal apologists remind me of given the way they try to talk about anything BUT the actual issue at hand. They’re Frank Drebin in the first POLICE SQUAD! movie, as he tries to wave off a crowd while a fireworks factory comically explodes behind him in a giant pyrotechnic display, all the while declaring “Nothing to see here! Pay no attention! Nothing to see here!”
If Bill O’ truly cared about ending illegal immigration, he’d stop supporting those that continue to make it profitable (i.e., corporations and Republicans). With no pot of gold in America, people would have no reason to cross our borders. I wonder how many illegals FOX employs. It would be interesting to confront Bill O’ with those numbers and have him justify staying with the corporation.
Big Ape,
Yes, you are correct that BillO’s ratings are tops, but those numbers are skewed by 2 things.
The weekday 8PM slot is the most watched timeslot in primetime, regardless of what the show is.
Fox is really the only overtly conservative channel, while the more liberal viewership has a choice between 3 options (CNN, HLN, and MSNBC). If we were to have 3 conservative channels, I sincerely doubt BillO would have the kind of ratings numbers he currently has. If you add up the numbers from all 3 liberal alternatives, they match Fox’s numbers in the 8pm slot, and that total generally mirrors the 50-50 donkey/elephant split we see in the country at electiontime.
Yes, BillO’s numbers are helped alot by the lack of alternate channel choice among conservative viewers. They are a mild distortion of the reality…. which…. coincidentally is a technique right up Mr. O’s alley.
If you really cared about illegal immigration then you’d have to support strict enforcement on businesses who hire illegals, specifically in agriculture and construction but no one on the anti-immigration side focuses on that fact. Oh, hiring undocumented workers is also illegal, but I don’t see ANYONE blaming corporations for the deaths of these people who were killed by drunk drivers.
As you can see by richinthevalley’s comments this is more about hating brown people then about illegal immigration. O’Reilly is using this drunk driving case to conflate the two issues and Big Ape is more than willing to go down that racist path.
Why is anyone surprised that B.O. says something really stupid, racist, and self aggrandizing while constantly diminishing brown people..?
Alcoholism and drunk driving are a plague whose effects we all suffer from, the perpretators come from all races, all walks of life.
Isn’t this pretty much his thing? B.O. is just doing his thing again, folks..
If he had Geraldo to spar with every time he opens his hate filled mouth, he would not last long at all.
Bien hecho, Geraldo..
Geraldo needs to go sit on the group W bench right next to R. O’donnell and light up a big fat joint. Because they are both are out to lunch. B.O’Reilly was right for once. In my opinion the U.S.A. is turning into a third world country.The word integrity is know spelled MONEY,MONEY AND MORE MONEY!
Geraldo needs to go sit on the group W bench right next to R. O’donnell and light up a big fat joint. Because they are both are out to lunch. B.O’Reilly was right for once. In my opinion the U.S.A. is turning into a third world country.The word integrity is know spelled MONEY,MONEY AND MORE MONEY!
RE: your comment “In the entire, dark, black history of Fox News”. What in the _____ is dark or black about Fox News? It isn’t CNN? You liberals are just plain nuts. You have the major network news, PBS, C-Span, etc, etc. doing your bidding and still you bitch and moan over Fox News. No one makes you watch Fox and no makes me watch CNN. Just shut up and watch your stuff and I will watch mine. I know you want to enforce the Fairness Doctrine but it isn’t going to happen. So LIVE WITH IT!!
Ruth
Clearly, this woman should have been run over by a decent, hardworking American drunk.
Bill O is almost as stupid as those defending him here.
Oliver et all..
Geraldo got his ass handed to him on a platter. All he could resort to was saying that it was America’s fault for having lured these illegal immigrants here for decades? Are you fucking kidding me??? WE lure them here. Yea. More like evil law-breaking corporations and liberal pro-open borders groups like La Raza lure them here. Yea, please come here please take my job and do it for an illegally low wage, I don’t want it.
Then Geraldo tried to claim that the fact that Ramos didn’t have a right to be here “had nothing to do with the fact that he drove drunk.” Whereas it actually has everything to do with it. If he wasn’t here (as he shouldn’t have been), then this crime wouldn’t have happened. Why can’t you dense liberals understand this????
Now, to get back to the main theme of the segment. The most outrageous part of this isn’t the fact that Ramos was here illegally. It was the fact that he had already been convicted of the same crime (DUI) and was allowed to stay here illegally even after the conviction. That’s what the major issue in play here is: 2 mitigating factors—1) Here illegally to begin with 2) Committed the exact same crime already and yet he is still here free to drive drunk and kill people. The whole point of this tragic story is that it COULD have and SHOULD have been prevented.
Finally, Oliver, can you please provide one point of evidence where O’Reilly makes reference to his race or uses race at all within this story. I’m sick and tired of you “idiot liberals” (to borrow a David Obey term) trying to make the whole issue of illegal immigration about Mexicans. It’s NOT. It’s about people who come here illegally and commit crimes in the process of working here or getting here. Go read any article where the feds go into a company that has numerous illegal immigrants working in it and there will be at least 5-10 countries listed as the origin of the workers. Yet according to the loony left, it’s all about Mexicans and “brown people”.
so when an illegal alien rescues someone from a burning house or saves a little girl from drowning than that’s an argument for allowing more illegal aliens into the country.
that logic makes sense to me.
if i was a rightwing fucktard.
You people attacking Reilly are complete dipshits, and complete assholes on top of that. You just can’t seem to get it through your thick skulls that the drunk that hit these girls was here illegally and committed crimes here once he arrived. AT ANY POINT IN THIS CHAIN OF EVENTS HAD THE LAW BEEN UPHELD, THESE GIRLS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. Those were somebody’s daughters, you morons. You people are so focussed on protecting illegal immigration that you completely miss the fact that your support of it facilitated the deaths of these two girls. You’re all accessories to vehicular manslaughter.
How about changing the drunk driving laws so that one has to earn the right to get a drivers license back after a DWI instead of just giving it back after 30 days? How about 1st DWI-one year suspension, 2nd DWI NO DRIVERS LICENSE FOR LIFE. More people are killed by drunk drivers in this country than terrorists. In 2003, 17000 people killed by drunks in cars. Change driving laws. Leave immigration problem to the Feds….
First off, I think O’Reilly is arrogant and often irrational. The man has some truly distorted reasoning half the time I listen to him.
But he’s right in this case. Why is it being discussed? For precisely one reason, an illegal immigrant committed a crime and wasn’t deported. To be honest, if you compare drunk driving that leads to someone’s death to someone that was jaywalking, you perhaps should seek other activities than debating ethics.
Drunk driving is a serious problem with our legal citizens as well. And? That doesn’t mean we have to accept illegal immigrant that are doing it. Legal immigrants? They should be treated the same at citizens. If they are “brown” and legal, like a “white” citizen, treat them the same. However, that is not the scenario we have here. The use of the race card in this situation is arguably more sickening than anything O’Reilly has said in this clip. Way to obfuscate the point, people. Makes me sick to think this is what our political discourse has become.
The fact of the matter is that this man has NOT been deported and he SHOULD. Why is it off limits to talk about? It’s completely insane to assert we should not talk about it because it’s a tragedy. No, the fact it’s a tragedy is MORE reason to bring up the completely legitimate point that criminals like this should be deported. We talk about murderers and rapists all the time, the victim’s family does not have to listen to it.
Don’t for one minute call me a conservative, I liked John Kerry more than George Bush and have never and most likely will never vote Republican. It’s simply amazing the nonsense some people come up with and the cheap, ad hominem attacks they use to try to gain a shred of credibility. I suppose their reasoning prevents them from sounding any bit rational.
I heard that, besides being an illegal, the guy was also on the way back from a civil union ceremony between two guys. Obviously, gay marriage killed this poor girl. After all, if they hadn’t decided to get married, he wouldn’t have been drunk, right?
It doesn’t make sense to say, ok, this guy was illegal, he killed a girl, therefore all illegal (mexican) immigrants are killers. The fact is that illegals commit less crime per capita than the general population.
What if he was deported? Then maybe would have killed some mexican kid. The problem is drunk driving, not where this guy was living at the time he drove drunk.
Geraldo hit the nail on the head when he said BillO was exploiting a tragedy for a cheap political shot.
deportations will not solve the drunk driving problem. can anybody here see the big picture?
“In my opinion the U.S.A. is turning into a third world country”
Have you ever been to a third world country? Some of the worst places in America are not just steps, but flights of stairs above compared to the living conditions I’ve seen (first hand) in third world areas.
Also a number of people have said that the clip was taken out of context but fail to supply how the context of the rest of the show would change anything. If the proof is in the pudding, you’re going to have to give me some pudding before I’ll accept your proof as real or valid.
I agree with several people who suggest that if you want to blame local police for not deporting the man then you should also be blaming the CEO type people who like hiring cheap illegals.
doc and svelt: Deporting illegal immigrants who commit crimes is not designed to fight crime. It is designed to fight illegal immigration.
Are you saying that of all the illegal immigrants in this country, we shouldn’t even deport those who commit crimes?
Isn’t it a common practice of police officers to check the record of people they arrest to see if there are outstanding warrants, or if they wanted for committing other crimes?
What Gerry Rivers suggested was that deporting criminal – illegal immigrants would lead to lynch mobs. Why? No one’s even deporting murderers!
Fine, deport everybody that you want. Do you think that will solve the problem of DWI fatalities? There are two separate issues here and the DWI issue is killing 17000 people a year.
Obviously O’Reilly is a sick pervert, but seriously man, these Mexicans need sent home. This country can simply not sustain. It is a fact that the blame for Mexico’s poverty crisis stems directly from the exploitive actions of American (multi-national) corporations – that is what free trade does, makes people slaves. If we stopped tolerating this and set up terriffs trust me the Mexicans would want to stay in Mexico, at least as much as they historically have (obviously I love the Mexican people and have no problem with reasonable immigration). Calling this a racial issue represents a brain-washed mindset, where you’ll just believe whatever bullshit is shoved down your throat. Remember that when they have a disgusting demon creature like O’Reilly put up there for everybody to hate, a certain percentage of what he says is going to be true – because they know that you’ll instinctual assume that everything he says must be wrong. Basic psychological warfare works on 90% of the population.
For more on this, check out this hilarious thing I found where a dark-skinned red Indian guy is called a racist by Mexican TV:
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=4056
Oh my God. You are in absolute denial. These two girls would not be dead if that drunk driver had not been here. The fact that people who are here legally kill other people while driving drunk all the time is not going to provide those families one ounce of solace. THEIR daughters are dead, and it could have been prevented if we had some politicians and judges who had the morals and testicles to uphold our laws.
Hey, doc! Are you forgetting that illegal immigration is illegal?
Should we let a crack addicted murderer go, because crack addiction is not as serious a problem as murder?
Are you saying that of all the illegal immigrants in this country, we shouldn’t even deport those who commit crimes?
Send them over there so we don’t have to prosecute them here?
You commit a crime in this country, here illegally or not, you do your time.
Then get deported.
You guys were all up in arms, I’m sure, when Castro emptied his prisons and sent boatloads of criminals to Miami, right?
Now you want to do essentially the same thing.
As far as O’rly is concerned; Liberal, Conservative, Other?
I don’t know anymore. Some crazy just defies classification.
Thanks a lot Abraham Lincoln. Way to fuck up our country forever.
>> Fine, deport everybody that you want. Do you think that will solve the problem of DWI fatalities? There are two separate issues here and the DWI issue is killing 17,000 people a year.
All I know is if we had politicians with BACKBONES, who actually DEPORTED illegal aliens the FIRST time they were caught since, gee, the last time I looked up the word “illegal” that means they’re BREAKING THE LAW TO BEGIN WITH BY EVEN BEING HERE…
…Right now your 17,000 number would be 16,998 and two beautiful teenage girls would have their entire lives ahead of them. Which makes the notion of rounding them up well worth it to me and perfectly justifiable. And anyone claiming that’s “racism” clearly failed “Logic 101″ in school or needs to see a proctologist immediately since they clearly have their head up their ass and desperately need it removed.
So, yeah, deportation DOES have a positive effect on drunk driving and crime in general. Hell, by EVERY study done to date it would certainly have a MAJOR impact on savings to local area hospitals that are now forced to hand out (and eat the cost) on healthcare given freely to illegals as well.
Will it solve the problem of drunk driving? No one is saying it will. Not even O’Reilly was claiming that it would SOLVE the problem. But the absolute, positive, 100%, bottom line TRUTH that you retarded illegal immigrant supporters refuse to accept is that IF Ramos had been deported the FIRST time he was caught –as O’Reilly was arguing — those 2 girls would still be alive, and so would many others like them.
So, sure, maybe deportation saves as little as 18 or as many as 1,800 lives out of the 17,000 you cite, but that would still be 18 or 1,800 American citizens WHO WOULD STILL BE ALIVE IF WE ONLY ENFORCED OUR BORDER PROPERLY. And enforcing our laws is something we should be doing ANYWAY, and even it only saves ONE life that’s STILL good enough reason for me to enforce the border.
For crying out loud, morons, get a clue. This isn’t rocket science here…
Not a fan of Bill O’Reilly, his show isnt so much about journalism as ratings (not that he’s alone there). But people….if I decide to live illegally in France, get drunk and kill someone, I would expect to be deported. There’s nothing unreasonable about that.
My biggest regret is that it wasn’t O’Reilly killed by the driver. I’ll be on the street cheering when this arrogant, ignorant, offensive idiot is underground.
No O’Reilly didnt have any right to turn the argument to one on illegal immigration but the fact does remain that the illegal immigrant involved should have gotten deported. Its sad that someone had to die from him getting drunk, by all means the family has a right to mourn, but for an illegal immigrant to commit a crime (on top of just being illegal) and not get deported is wrong.
No O’Reilly didnt have any right to turn the argument to one on illegal immigration but the fact does remain that the illegal immigrant involved should have gotten deported. Its sad that someone had to die from him getting drunk, by all means the family has a right to mourn, but for an illegal immigrant to commit a crime (on top of just being illegal) and not get deported is wrong.
Whoever said illegals kill 9,000 people a year and therefore they should all be deported hasn’t really thought things through.
First of all, it would cost us way too much money to go through the deportation process for any illegals we find. That extra money used to send them home could save way more than the supposed 9,000 americans they kill. I’d rather use that money on public systems and services that actually work against drunk driving and the many other crimes we have here.
That number of deaths is so low when compared to death from drunk drivers, death from tobacco, or other random preventable deaths.
“In 1998, 15,935 people died and 305,000 were injured in alcohol-related traffic crashes in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s reported in the December 3, 1999 issue of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.”
I’m sure those 300,000+ people would appreciate the millions spent on preventing some random acts of violence to plug holes that a weak immigration system has.
Immigration needs to undergo a complete renovation to fix the whole problem, not just throwing out any illegals you happen to find. People want fixes for problems, not expensive patches to buy us more time to figure it out.
oliver willis your the idiot. what you say sounds stupid because you change other peoples words around. he was not bashing brown people. only illegals
20 years ago, I too was a wetback. Just a little “wetter” since the body of water I crossed is a little wider and damper than the Rio Grande. I am now “legal” and never drink and drive, now. I used to be an “illegal” and shamefully admit sometimes driving under the influence. I am also white with freckles. I know O’Reilly would never have brought up the immigration nonsense had the driver been from my neck of the woods.
Boy this is the type of thread that brings the lynch mobs out all bright, shiny and ass-tingly.
Come on. What Bill O. and you really want is to lynch a brown or black man from a maple tree and set his body on fire.
Shut up.
Im the biggest O’ Reilly hater on Earth and even I had to side with O’ LIElly on this one. I think Bill was just trying to say he’s tired of illegals doing anything bad in this country, whether it’s raping, murdering, stealing, getting free money, conveniences when they shouldnt even BE here in the first place. Im sick of it too. Im sick and tired of illegals in this country getting free passes that we as citizens have to work for or them committing crimes. I side with Bill on this one, and I hate the guy.
When is Fox going to realize that Bill O’Reilly is just simply a crazy man that thinks that if he yells loud enough that he will win his point. He is a complete flake!
I wonder what O’Reilly would have said if this same illegal had wandered into his neighborhood and saved the life of O’Reilly’s child drowning in a swimming pool. How would he have reacted? Cursed the man for saving the child because he wasn’t a citizen? Probably, considering how obsessed O’Reilly is on the issue.
O’Reilly is your typical white, Irish Catholic racist, just like Pat Buchanan, Sean Hannity, and Morton Downey Jr. was. I think there must be a factory on Long Island that runs 24 hours a day churning out these misfits.
First of all, it would cost us way too much money to go through the deportation process for any illegals we find…
I’d rather use that money on public systems and services that actually work against drunk driving…
And which systems and services might those be? If it’s already working, it’s leaving 17,000 people dead. If it’s not working, why throw more money at it? What the heck makes people (dare I say “liberals”?) Think that if a program accomplishes “a,b,c” it will somehow produce “d,e,f” if you add more money to it? Or worse, if it doesn’t work, that more money will make it work?
Is that how you do things in your own life?
Think about it…
Ken:”typical white, Irish Catholic racist”
Nice.
Looks like you really jumped the shark on this one ollie….122 comments from people saying they hate o’reilly but he is right!
Who knew so much of the left wing of america was “racist”….or maybe it isn’t a racial issue?
How about it ollie, change your tune yet?
Look, for all of you defending O’lielly, why was the illegal immigrant here? all you need to do is look the nafta, nafta plus, and the plans for the north american union. Bushco, canada, and mexico have been in the process of wiping out the border between the 3 nations since 2005. it is all matter of record, just do a google search for North American Union.
or check here:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
If O’Lielly is really concerned, why hasnt he stood up against this? he a corporate shill, hes a nut case bully, who physically intimidates guests that are smarter than him, which amounts to just about all of em. i wish he would have gotten physical with rivera, rivera was a a golden gloves boxxer, and it would have been cool to see him pound the snot out of BO.
O’Reilly is right. If the man hadn’t been here illegally he would not have been able to drive drunk in our country and kill a person while driving under the infuence.
I don’t hate Bill O’Reilly, I think he is very smart. Illegals here in huge numbers and we are doing nothing about it. In fact we are supporting them. Their kids go to our schools, they don’t pay taxes, etc.
Also, my husbands father came here from Sweden. He had to have a trade in order to come to the US and seek employment. He also had to have a sponsor. Only, after he got a job and worked for a few months here was his family also allowed to get a visa and come and live here. They had to check in yearly as illegal imigrants.
After several years most of his family became American citizens. They did not just come here and walk across our borders and claim they had rights. What the heck is all that about. These illegals even have the nerve to protest for their rights.
The way I see it no one has the right to drink and drive it is against the law. It is also against the law to be in this country illegally.
If the man had been deported the first time he broke the law this would not have happened. AND if he were not here illegally in the first place we would not be talking about this…
@ candle:
“If the man had been deported the first time he broke the law this would not have happened. AND if he were not here illegally in the first place we would not be talking about this…”
That’s the fact for this single accident. But there are much more drunk drivers out there, and they are NOT illegals. Illegals are not the matter, but drunk driving is.
You can’t point out the whole problem at this single – unique – case. You have to look at the entire situation.
This is a single-unique-case, yes, because he was not only driving while drunk,
he was also here illegally.
What, we should not even consider that? The man broke the law in more than one way. I think there is more than one problem to look at in this perticular case
Most of you are missing Geraldo’s point.
The point was O’Reilly was doing a mental trick that obviously worked on a lot of you. Associations of one thing with another.
Geraldo isn’t arguing that he should legally have been around here. He’s making the point that O’Reilly is using this isolated incident to make an issue of immigration. Small sample type stuff and then using emotion to carry his banner against illegal immigration.
If he wants to argue against illegal immigration, that’s fine. I’m against illegal immigration. But I’m also against manipulating the minds of viewers… twisting subjects into something it really shouldn’t be about.
You can’t use one example and go “SEE!!!! I’M GOING TO USE THIS TO ADVANCE MY POLITICAL IDEAS”.
You can’t use one example and go “SEE!!!! I’M GOING TO USE THIS TO ADVANCE MY POLITICAL IDEAS”.
You can’t if this were an isolated, unique incident. But, just as poor sentencing allows any and all criminals to commit crimes again, so too does a nonexistent immigration policy allow illegal immigrants to commit crimes again and again, because they are not being deported after the first offense.
While even that doesn’t guarantee they will not return and commit another crime, it does make it difficult.
Pretending that the issue of “drunk driving” somehow trumps illegal immigration is just nonsense.
For about 2 years I worked with what turned out to be more than 2 dozen “illegal” immigrants in an Iowa meatpacking plant. I am a foreman and had no idea of their status, though us supervisors had our suspicions about our company’s hiring practices.
Our place was raided last fall and I’m not sure of the outcome for those guys or their families. Obviously, they no longer work there.
What I do know is that if Bill O’Reilly is going to make this about immigration than I’m adding this:
Those guys worked harder and more reliably than any of the native line workers we had. In reading more about the issue after this incident I understand how difficult it is/would’ve been for those men and 1 woman to get through the immigration process legally.
The bottom line though is – most of them stayed quiet, worked a hard day everyday, and tried to raise their children correctly and decently.
In retrospect I think they knew they didn’t go through the process legally and were trying to just be decent, unassuming citizens of the country and not cause any further problems. More than I can say for a lot of the other guys that sloughed off, called in sick regularly, and came in hungover half the time.
The “illegals” were here and they were in effect breaking the law but after that one offense I believe that they never wanted to break the law again.
That’s why amnesty is the right thing.
But people like Bill O’Reilly and Michelle Malkin demonize these people to make us all think that each and every illegal immigrant here is a child molesting drunken dope seller so they get their way about enforcement and they can further propel their hard edged ideas.
But people like Bill O’Reilly and Michelle Malkin demonize these people to make us all think that each and every illegal immigrant here is a child molesting drunken dope seller
And you idealize them to make it seem that every single illegal immigrant is a hard working, God fearing übermensch, incapable of doing anyone any harm.
What you are overlooking is that the law has already settled your conflict. Rather than go through some complicated assessment process, they should be sent home.
If you want less restrictive immigration laws (and I’m repeating myself), do what all “good liberals” do, and go to the Supreme Court to have the strict laws declared unconstitutional — the 9th Circuit would be a good place to start.
Until then, all illegal immigrants who have no compelling reason to stay here, should go home, good, bad or indifferent.
Stop blaming Bill O’Reilly or Michele Malkin for laws they didn’t pass.
Re: Jason Benne post
Oh PUH-LEEZE! You have GOT to be kidding me with your arguments.
>> Those guys worked harder and more reliably than any of the native line workers we had… More than I can say for a lot of the other guys that sloughed off, called in sick regularly, and came in hung over half the time.
Sorry, but that’s completely irrelevant. That’s simply a matter of your company’s Human Resources Department being total boobs and utterly incompetent with regards to screening and hiring new employees. But for you to try and whitewash the immigration debate by using the ridiculously broad brush stroke that NO native workers (ie. actual American citizens) ever worked as hard or COULD ever work as hard as those that are illegal is truly laughable. It’s straight out of the Amnesty Handbook, front and center and right on Page 1, but it’s truly laugh out loud funny that you’d actually TRY to use the old “But we need to let the illegals stay because NO Americans EVER work as hard as them!” trick.
>> The “illegals” were here and they were in effect breaking the law, but after that one offense I believe that they never wanted to break the law again.
WTF? “But after that one offense I believe they never wanted to break the law again”??? For crying out loud, after they broke the BIGGEST law of all – namely sneaking across the border of a sovereign nation and establishing residency therein illegally – I would HOPE they don’t want to break any MORE laws. You make it sound like it’s great thing that they only broke ONE law, as if illegals should get a preset number of MULTIPLE laws they can shrug off at will and screw around with — all freebie passes so long as it makes life easier for THEM — and once they break 4 or 5, oh sure, THEN we have a right to pull them aside.
Sorry, but the count starts at ONE, and it certainly starts from the moment they decided to just move in uninvited and without asking ANY permission AT ALL.
>> That’s why amnesty is the right thing.
No, that’s why amnesty is WRONG. Because they BROKE THE LAW from Day One and even worse CONTINUED to do it day in and day out. Giving them amnesty is giving them the ultimate reward – citizenship – without ANY penalty attached to their law-breaking actions AT ALL. Sorry, but I think I speak for the overwhelming majority of people when I say we’re not THAT forgiving.
>> But people like Bill O’Reilly and Michelle Malkin demonize these people to make us all think that each and every illegal immigrant here is a child molesting drunken dope seller so they get their way about enforcement and they can further propel their hard edged ideas.
There’s nothing “hard edged” about expecting and wanting all citizens — certainly NEW citizens — of a country to obey the law. And that’s not O’Reilly or Malkin’s personal Right Wing agenda. Having a citizenry that RESPECTS and HONORS and OBEYS the law is the core foundation for any country to remain civilized. And that’s something I’m not willing to give up on, simply to appease people such as yourself who want to excuse any and all actions of these illegals just because you’re looking for a convenient “out” to give them a free pass on everything, and once they’re here, a free ride on things too.
For crying out loud, after they broke the BIGGEST law of all – namely sneaking across the border of a sovereign nation and establishing residency therein illegally
Wow. So sneaking across the border so that your family doesn’t starve to death is worse than murder, rape, or terrorism. Not much more I can say. Just, wow. At least you spell better than the rest of the trolls.
Maureen: So sneaking across the border so that your family doesn’t starve to death
And you’re going to tell us where you found out that the family of every illegal immigrant is starving to death, aren’t you?
And it’s the worst crime you can commit in THIS country, because according to its laws, you shouldn’t even be here. If you had flown in from Africa, Asia or Europe, you would have been sent home without hesitation.
And everyone who disagrees with you is not a troll; your real name isn’t Maureen, either, I’ll wager.
I am not against immigrants, as a matter of fact I have a few people in my life that I am friendly with who are foreigners and speak broken English. Plus, my wife of eight years; overstayed her visa, and was in the process of becoming a Legal resident when we met. now she is a United States citizen and a Registered Nurse to boot…
People, the law needs to be followed to the letter of the law. The archivists, want nothing more than to bring this great country, the United States of America, to its knees
Reading over all the posted arguments, I found one person that said it best and needs to be reposted…..
Posted by: radzikowski:
Why is it that everyone in the world has more right to America than people who are born here?
The whole point of immigration is that we only want people who meet criteria that we set–like no criminal record. The man in question had apparently been convicted of drunk driving before in the Virigina city, then he walked free, but he was not deported. Drunk driving is a major public health danger in the USA and is entirely avoidable. It should get any legal alien deported, even more so for an illegal alien.
In this case, though, this man wasn’t deported. He kept living in the Virgina city because the city’s mayor declared the city a “safe zone” for illegal aliens. The primary duty of any public official is upholding the law. The purpose of that duty is to protect the safety of the citizens.
The mayor protected illegal aliens with the “safe zone.” Thus, this illegal alien was free to drive drunk again. The illegal alien drove drunk again. Consequently, innocent people were killed.
If drunk driving does not result in deportation of even illegal aliens, then we don’t have America. Instead we have a United States by, for, and of everyone in the world except the people of the United States.
Plus, my wife of eight years; overstayed her visa, and was in the process of becoming a Legal resident when we met
So according to some of the trolls here, your wife is worse than a murderer or rapist because she violated immigration law.
BTW, its not local police’s job to enforce federal law.
@ Big Ape:
“For crying out loud, after they broke the BIGGEST law of all – namely sneaking across the border of a sovereign nation and establishing residency therein illegally”
You have a really interesting view on the law…
These illegal immigrants don’t hurt anybody by “sneaking across the border” – in fact, a huge part of the US’ economy needs these illegal immigrants as “human ressources”. Espacially the agricultural economy “imports” these illegals like others import iron or oil… And not just, because illegals are cheaper: Often nobody wants to do this work (in Germany there’s the similar problem with polish workers, you will find it in Italy, Spain…).
Big Ape:
Shut up punk. Don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that ALL illegal immigrants worked harder than ALL native American workers.
I said in my experience I see a much different demographic than what people like Michelle Malkin and Bill O’Reilly paint.
And then to say that these guys broke the BIGGEST law of them all – sneaking across the border (and like the other guy said, a desperation move to better provide for their kids/selves). A little dramatic there, huh dingus?
I see white collar criminals walk regularly, or pay a fine their fellow backscratchers pony up so they feel no real damage.
Think what you want about this issue. Assume that everyone that crossed the Mexican/American border is a mass murderer. But, I saw the issue up close and firsthand and I shared a story behind it.
I also shared my opinion that these people, who I worked with and came to know as decent, hardworking folks, broke 1 law, and then from what I observed toed the line because they didn’t want to cause any further conflict and were devoted to keeping their families fed and safe.
All I hope Big Ape, is that your dumb@ss is put in a difficult position one day that you may have to consider circumventing one of the arbitrary laws we have on the books that doesn’t apply to each and every person’s situation.
And this whole thing about breaking the law and our American obligation to mete out maximum punishment for it.
We were once a country of second chances, until you pathetic hypocrite neocons came along with your assertions that any minor lawbreaker should be hit in the head with the book, incarceration, and a permanent record. That’s what I draw from what you’re saying Big Ape.
My question is: Do you take that hardline approach when someone in your family screws up? Because if you parent the way you act out here, it’s gonna happen.
And most Americans do believe in amnesty for illegal immigrants, including our conservative president. You’re just getting your “facts” from that poison filled douche Michelle Malkin.
“arbitrary” Laws?
Not allowing just anyone to take up residence in your country is arbitrary?
Stick with meatpacking my man, don’t go into law or politics , ‘kay?
Stick with meatpacking my man, don’t go into law or politics , ‘kay?
Posted by: pedromd07 | Apr 8, 2007 6:42:44 PM
Yea, cause those two fields are filled with rational geniuses.
Look, I misspoke in saying that immigration laws are “arbitrary”, but crossing the border to pick grapes, in my opinion, is nowhere near on par with rape, child molestation, armed robbery, murder, and that’s the sentiment I got from Big Ape, and what I see some of the pundits try to put out there.
I’m not getting into a stupid internet battle; matter fact – sorry I called Big Ape a punk.
It’s just been my experience that the most hardline among us refuse to look at issues on a case-by-case or personal level and therefore make laws that sweep across and hurt huge groups of people that are otherwise decent people.
Sound liberal-faggy? Who gives a f*ck?
My opinion is not that we should open the borders to everyone, in fact I wish the federal government would make better efforts to secure the Mexican border, but those that are here, that were drawn here by jobs and haven’t broken any subsequent laws, I feel the majority should receive amnesty.
Hey fool: O’ Reilly is not on a jihad against “brown people.” He is on a jihad against illegal immigration. Liberals can’t see the difference. And O’reilly did not lose his cool over Geraldo’s point of view, he lost it over his rudeness, filibustering, interrupting, and hijacking the show with his non-stop motor-mouthing. Go watch it again, although facts are never important to liberal idiots like you.
fair enough jason….sorry, you mispoke and I responded to that.
I think it is a fair discussion to look at amnesty, I don’t think it is a good idea, but worthy of discussion.
I know tons of hard working illegal immigrants, but that doesn’t make it right, and certainly isn’t a rational reason for making law.
funny how the total domination of “alien” european culture over the original inhabitants of our country are never cited by the O’Reilly’s of the world. Rich and a lot of others on this forum don’t seem to know their history.
The founder’s of our country were among the first immigrants to this land, and they sure as heck didn’t ask the original inhabitants what they thought about that.
In fact, they committed wholesale genocide.
Immigrants come because there is opportunity and a lot of employment to be had here. The fact that some of them choose to do so illegally generally illustrates the kind of initiative that this country needs. Fact of the matter is, some of those immigrants will commit crimes (though lower numbers than our general population).
The O’Rielly’s of the world are looking at the woman and black man running for president and getting anxious
they’re afraid that payback for the past 300 years is gonna be a bitch.
Meanwhile, Geraldo appears as a powerful reminder of a bygone, more civilized era, when men had mustaches and spoke truth to power against hysteria and demagoguery. He’s like a lonesome do-gooder cowboy wander on the dusty desert of the neocon media platform, slinging quips and wandering off into the sunset of reasoned thinking.
SOME of the immigrants will come here illegally is an understatement. Fact is most immigrants from Mexico are illegal and there are thousands of them.
The fact that one of the illegals committed a crime by driving drunk and killing two innocent people is abviously going to be mentioned. What, we should not mention that the guy was an illegal immigrant that should have been deported the first time he committed a crime not to mention he should not have been here to begin with. What, we should not say anything about him being an illegal immegrant so will will not insult or upset all the other illegal immigrants that are here in the US. Some of you people are just so ridiculous. And what the hell does this have to do with the Clintons or the blacks. Absolutely ridiculous!
Pedro -
Make a deal with you; I’ll stop lionizing these illegals as a whole if you stop demonizing them?
And if you agree to that and I agree that there are some illegals who, after breaking the initial law of entering our country illegally, continue to engage in shady behavior can I pose a question to you about say one type of illegal immigrant?
A guy and his wife crossed the border in 2001 and he found employment pretty quickly at a meatpacking plant. He gets up at 6:00am (I’m trying not to sound like I’m putting this guy on a pedestal but please remember – I KNEW guys that followed this precise routine, in real life) and goes to work for a 10 hour day, working on the ham line where he removed the fat from a hambone each day with a electric spinning blade.
It’s a dangerous job. Fingers are lost frequently. But he and his wife now have a little girl, they spend money on groceries, cars, clothes, gas, etc., etc. and are fairly contributing to the economy. With the exception of paying taxes.
The little girl is about to start the first grade. She’s assimilated.
All of a sudden a federal raid sends this guy and his wife back to Mexico. Forfeiture of all purchased property, little kid has to live with the neighbors, parents deported.
Why? Why would payment of back taxes, a fine, and the ability to go through the process to become an American citizen not be a reasonable approach to this family and this situation?
How would that affect you, me, or Bill O’Reilly?
There are so many white collar criminals that get to return to their sins within months that this is an area where I think the old adage “laws were made to be broken” may just apply.
I mentioned earlier that going forward I wouldn’t support amnesty. I’m talking about for those already here, that have a proven work history and clean record.
It blows my mind how anyone can be so callous to a situation like that. I’m sorry. I’m no liberal p*ssy pacifist. I think it was my experiences firsthand with people in just those very circumstances that changed my way of thinking.
Which is the way most hardliners end up seeing the light.
With the exception of paying taxes.
See what’s happening here, Jason?
That’s important law # 2.
Do their children have immunizations? Maybe; maybe not.
Did he take a Drivers’ Test to get his license? Maybe; maybe not.
Does he receive any Public Assistance (he has no legally declared income)? Is he fraudulently living on Section 8? Getting Food Stamps or Medicaid? Maybe; maybe not.
It’s difficult to enter this country illegally, and not break a lot of laws.
And if you know a thousand nice guys, and two or three of them rape, steal, or drive drunk and kill, is that an acceptable rate?
Attempt to deport them; let them make a case for staying — like, for example, that they haven’t committed any other crimes, major or minor — and then decide if they should stay.
Does that sound unreasonable or racist, really?
>> Maureen Dowd: “Wow. So sneaking across the border so that your family doesn’t starve to death is worse than murder, rape, or terrorism. Not much more I can say. Just, wow. At least you spell better than the rest of the trolls.”
So let me get this straight. NOW you’re going to use the most diehard and laughably pathetic claim that EVERY illegal alien here should be accepted for outright HUMANITARIAN reasons? That the ONLY reason they came here was because ALL of their families were literally starving? Like African-level starving?
Ok, let’s play your ridiculous game. So tell me this, Brainiac: IF they were so concerned about their families, and IF they had the smarts to traverse fields and streams and valley and hills to come here, and IF they had actual skills worth hiring them for — you know, so they could earn money to support and feed those so-called “starving” families…
…Tell me again just WHY its TOO MUCH TO ASK for them to simply stop at a border post and fill out the proper paperwork to ASK to be here?
Or if their families were “starving” so bad — I mean, that’s your term and your definition of how DIRE the circumstances are — tell me again just WHY they couldn’t go to the American Embassy in their own country and, again, simply fill out the paperwork to legally ASK for asylum or aid?
For that matter, if this is all about families “starving”, remind me again why that’s MY problem or the United States — as opposed to say Mexico’s problem that THEY should address to help THEIR own people? I mean, if it comes down to your whole theory of “humanitarianism”, should we now start air lifting people out of Africa and bringing them here since conditions are obviously FAR WORSE over there than in Mexico? And if that’s your idea of “helping people”, just out of sheer curiousity, just HOW MANY people were you thinking the U.S. should be accountable to and WHO should be paying the bills on hospital healthcare and such?
So let’s get this right: basically your notion is that ANYONE and EVERYONE — regardless of a criminal record or health issues or any other concern that U.S. Immigration Policy IS supposed to monitor — should be able to come into the U.S., NO questions asked, they can take jobs ILLEGALLY, they DON’T have to pay IRS taxes, and they can even STEAL people’s IDs and Social Security numbers (which by the way actually happened to me with an illegal who was subsequently nailed trying to use it)… all because of your view that “starving families” matter more than any or all Immigration laws we have as a country. Laws by the way which MAKE us a civilized country.
Seriously, Tinker Bell, do you pay much rent to live in Fantasyland or can anyone move there?
>> Jason Benne: “But he and his wife now have a little girl, they spend money on groceries, cars, clothes, gas, etc., etc. and are fairly contributing to the economy. With the exception of paying taxes.”
Well that really DOES make a pretty damn BIG difference, now doesn’t it? (Insert mocking Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here).
Jason, despite calling me a “punk” before — which I’ll let you slide on in the heat of debate — I can accept that you want to find a solution here or you clearly have “friends” at work who are illegals, much as I want to find a solution to an ever-growing problem. But you have GOT to be kidding me with this one!
Look, if they’re out buying clothes or a car, yes, that’s somewhat contributing to the economy, but only on a minimal scale in the larger scheme of things. This whole argument that “Illegals buy things, so that moves the economy forward” is ridiculous when compared to the far GREATER truth of “Oh…well, yeah, they ALSO don’t EVER pay any taxes.” That means its a wash — actually moreso a LOSS economically speaking.
Look, if they’re NOT legally registered and are NOT paying Federal taxes AT ALL, then they’re also NOT paying into Social Security or Medicare and that whole lot. So tell me: just WHO is going to get stuck paying the bill for this couple when they ARE older and want to retire? Or when they want to use the local E.R. to receive “free” medical care — which frankly is NEVER free and simply gets backbilled to the local taxpayer?
Hey, they’re YOUR friends. So tell me, are YOU picking up the tab on this one? If that’s the case, hope you’re putting in plenty of overtime at the Plant. You’re gonna need that extra pay!
>> The little girl is about to start the first grade. She’s assimilated.
Well, good for her. Except if her parents are NOT paying taxes so they can stay off the radar, then my guess is they’re ALSO not paying local school taxes to likewise stay hidden. Which means the girl…however smart or cute or nice she might be…is actually being PAID FOR as she passes through the system by everyone else EXCEPT her own parents.
Which frankly — yes, hard ass that I am — is completely unaccetable. But, hey, her parents bought a few shirts at Target, so I’m sure THAT makes up for it all economically speaking.
(Insert a SECOND mocking Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here…)
Big Ape: Ditto to everything you said.
Well, good for her. Except if her parents are NOT paying taxes so they can stay off the radar, then my guess is they’re ALSO not paying local school taxes to likewise stay hidden. Which means the girl…however smart or cute or nice she might be…is actually being PAID FOR as she passes through the system by everyone else EXCEPT her own parents.
Gee, I must have missed the part where illegals don’t have to pay payroll taxes on their wages. Unless of cousrse their employers are ALSO violating the law. And I guess illegals don’t pay rent either, because if they did they would be contributing through school taxes.
In reality (not the spittle-flecked truthiness of the ape), illegals are less of a tax drain on society than people in their same income bracket. Remember, illegals don’t get refunds on withholding tax (because they can’t file), don’t get EITC, and don’t get SS and SSI.
In the end, this is all a wedge issue for people who hate Mexicans. Never do I see complaints about the Canadians and Europeans who overstay their visas, like Nannys and workers in ethnic businesses. Oh, that’s right they aren’t brown.
This was sent to be by a friend I decided to pass it on:
Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.
Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.
Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
Let’s say I break into your house.
Let’s say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.
But I say, “I’ve made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors.
I’ve done all the things you don’t like to do.
I’m hardworking and honest (except for when I broke into your house).
According to the protesters:
You are Required to let me stay in your house.
You are Required to add me to your family’s insurance plan.
You are Required to Educate my kids.
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hardworking and honest, except for that breaking in part).
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who
will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It’s only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I’m just trying to better myself.
I’m a hardworking and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.
And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.
Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.
Why can’t people see how ridiculous this is?!
Your friend is racist.
Gee, I must have missed the part where illegals don’t have to pay payroll taxes on their wages. Unless of course their employers are ALSO violating the law
Yes, you did, indeed, “miss that part”, as have thousands of other amnesty supporters.
Why have “I got to be kidding you” Big Ape?”
First off, the little girl was born in the US, which makes her a citizen so all your shouting about how the law must be followed to a T equates to her “legal” right to get a full education until she’s 18.
As far as the issue of taxes, I said I’m in favor of amnesty that requires these individuals to make amends on back taxes, and Dowd’s right – they don’t benefit from SS, SSI, or federal tax returns.
It’s not an issue of wanting to let these people roam the country freely and bring others in while we’re at it- I’m talking about amnesty. Looking at the issue rationally and allowing those with work history and a clean record a path to citizenship.
And why the f*ck am I arguing with you. Stick with your big, bad worldview tough guy.
The USA are a nation of immigrant. Most of you will have a grandfather or somebody else you know in your family who is not born in the USA. You all – except maybe the one whose parents are both native Americans. Are sons and daughters of immigrants.
At the present, people who want to live in the USA have no right to get there. There’re restrictive laws against immigration. Do you wonder they break these laws? Your grandfathers would have done it.
Simon Columbus: My great grandfather was granted citizenship for him and his entire family by the United States Navy.
My other grandfather earned his citizenship fighting in World War I.
You were saying?
my father came from eastern europe via ellis island…..
n the United States, English is by no means our only language, but it is the language of economic success and upward mobility. More important, it is the language of our national unity and political discourse. And just as opportunity is the birthright of all native-born Americans, it becomes the inheritance of all new Americans. But this is nothing more than a nice sentiment if we don’t do all we can to encourage and help new Americans learn English.
-Newt Gingrich
please , remember the driver should not have even been in the country, and in tennesse the same thing happens illegals are famous for DUI, check the stats. And enough with the racist *** just because you think someone should come into this country the right way..
>> Simon Columbus: “At the present, people who want to live in the USA have no right to get there. There’re restrictive laws against immigration. Do you wonder they break these laws? Your grandfathers would have done it.”
First of all, they are NO “restrictive laws against immigration.” There are LAWS, yes — but for crying out loud, the United States has some of the LEAST restrictive immigration laws in the WORLD.
Not to mention, now you Pro Illegals can’t even make up your friggin’ minds on what your public stance is going to be. Just this weekend in Los Angeles, protestors were complaining about the proposed new Bush plan, and THEIR whole bitch was that they DON’T want the current laws changed because that would prevent them from bringing in their extended family members. They want to bring in every distant cousin under the sun — which goes to show just how “restrictive” our laws laughably are.
So let me get this right – YOU’RE complaining the laws are “too restrictive”, meanwhile THEY’RE out protesting that the laws should STAY EXACTLY AS THEY ARE.
Boy, nice to see you guys really trade emails and stay in touch! Nice unity you guys got going there!
As for my Grandfathers — BOT of my Great Grandfathers and BOTH of my Great Grandmothers were immigrants. And NONE OF THEM broke the law. They ALL had to fill out paperwork in their respective countries, they ALL had to wait their turns to come, they ALL came through Ellis Island LEGALLY and were processed and, yes, THEN they began their new lives. But they sure as hell didn’t do it by making a mad dash across the I-15 in lower San Diego!
Oh, and since you want to bring up family and laws and the whole “you would do it” — the whole reason my Great Grandmother came to this country is because her family could only afford to send one sister to the U.S., and her OLDER sister was supposed to come but was stopped from ever boarding a ship because of health reasons. Basically, she was told she couldn’t set sail and enter the U.S. in her condition, so her younger sister…my Great Grandmother…literally took her bags and came instead.
See, THAT’S how it’s supposed to work. There’s SUPPOSED to be safeguards and screening systems in place, and the people who properly applied…were properly checked out…who had their paperwork in order, THEY are the ones we’re supposed to let in. NOT the mad track runners who are darting over fields and highways.
>> Maureen Dowd: Gee, I must have missed the part where illegals don’t have to pay payroll taxes on their wages. Unless of course their employers are ALSO violating the law.
Which is often the case, so I assume you have no problem with following the law and fining and jailing BOTH the employer AND deporting the workers.
Hey, if they were ALL breaking the law, yes, I think the punishment should go across the board and they should all pay a price — employer AND illegal alike.
>> And I guess illegals don’t pay rent either, because if they did they would be contributing through school taxes.
Not true at all, particularly if you have several illegals living together in one apartment, several families, where the landlord is unaware of “how many people” are actually in there in which case — no, they’re NOT properly paying into things like school taxes since the property taxes, adjusted for rent, are NOT reflecting the NUMBER of kids those familes (relative to the rent) are actually sending off to school.
>> In reality (not the spittle-flecked truthiness of the ape), illegals are less of a tax drain on society than people in their same income bracket.
Again, not true at all. Just recently the Heritage Foundation released a new study that shows there’s actually a net loss of several thousand dollars per illegal, relative to the income they generate, since the overwhelming number of illegals are NON High School graduates AND are mostly day workers (not while collar workers) and when they CAN’T get day labor, they overwhelmingly become a drain on local municipality social servives. Hence the annual money they generate compared to the annual money they eat up through social services ends up as a taxpayer LOSS.
>> Remember, illegals don’t get refunds on withholding tax (because they can’t file), don’t get EITC, and don’t get SS and SSI.
Yes, Brainiac — which is a BIG problem down the road. Because going by your truly f*cked up logic, you want to let them STAY even though they HAVEN’T been paying into any of those things.
So tell me: just exactly what IS your genius plan to account for that disparity, particularly when it comes to the Illegal eldery? Or those that are about to enter into a retirement status? Since they never paid into plans, who’s going to pick up the tab on them AS they now get older, retire, or require medical attention?
Oh, let me guess — you think the $3/hour lettuce picker…the one you let stay here…is going to pay for all of that. He’s going to prove what a hard worker he is by working late in the fields and picking a few more heads to cover his sick old Mother. NOT.
Join the rest of us in reality, “Maureen.” THEY’RE GOING TO SIMPLY APPLY FOR ANY AND ALL GOVERNMENT SERVICES, ALL OF WHICH WE’LL BE EXPECTED TO PAY FOR. Because as we’ve already seen, the Illegal protestors are ALREADY pushing the absolutely ridiculous argument that “I pick your lettuce cheap, so you owe me lifetime medical AND all sorts of other things. In fact, here’s my long, long list of demands that I have…”
>> In the end, this is all a wedge issue for people who hate Mexicans. Never do I see complaints about the Canadians and Europeans who overstay their visas, like Nannys and workers in ethnic businesses. Oh, that’s right they aren’t brown.
That’s because the last time I checked, Moron, there weren’t 12 MILLION ILLEGAL CANADIAN NANNIES running around, who were sucking dry social services or demanding that they be able to bring into the country 200 extended family members — oops, I meant 200 fellow “child care givers” that they just HAPPEN to be related to.
But, hey, nice PATHETIC attempt to make this about racism when it’s ONLY about the law.
But, hey, when you’re too stupid and unable to intellectually win an argument, resorting to namecalling or tossing out the old race card is always a solid fallback. After all, those on the Left are the absolute MASTERS at playing the ol’ race and Class Warfare game as a way to divert attention from this little thing called THE TRUTH…
That’s because the last time I checked, Moron, there weren’t 12 MILLION ILLEGAL CANADIAN NANNIES running around, who were sucking dry social services or demanding that they be able to bring into the country 200 extended family members — oops, I meant 200 fellow “child care givers” that they just HAPPEN to be related to.
Yea, because all those nannies have healthcare insurance paid for by their employers and would NEVER go to the emergency room!
Just recently the Heritage Foundation …
Ah, the Scaife-Coors funded extreme right-wing Heritage foundation. Yea, they can be trusted to make a fair and balanced survey. Which by the way does nothing to refute my claims.
>> Yea, they can be trusted to make a fair and balanced survey. Which by the way does nothing to refute my claims.
NONE of which you have offered ANY statistical evidence to back up, just your own opinion.
As for your claims, funny how you also NEVER answer any direct questions that I’ve posed so far. Such as…
1) HOW MANY immigrants do you think the U.S. should take in each year?
Going back to what got us here, SHOULD an Illegal who commits a crime — such as drunk driving — BE deported? Hey, you want to stick up for all the so-called “good, hardworking” aliens.
2) WHAT social services should be extended to ILLEGAL aliens?
3) WHO should pay for them?
4) Should illegals have free run of local ER services, right down to child birth — all on the local taxpayers dime?
5) Just why SHOULDN’T the border be patroled regularly and people IMMEDIATELY turned around and sent back? You say they want jobs — so I ask my question again: WHY is it TOO MUCH TO ASK for them to simply fill out the proper paperwork and THEN head off to the fields or construction sites to look for day work?
6) Speaking of the border, why SHOULDN’T everyone be processed simply for reasons of security, be it criminal background checks or even Health concerns PRIOR to being allowed to enter the country? Hey, my Great Grandmother’s sister wasn’t allowed in due to illness…shouldn’t that be a sane HEALTH policy we maintain to this day to actually PROTECT our actual citizenry?
7) If Illegals are NOT paying Federal taxes or into Social Security, WHO gets stuck with the bill when they DO want to retire and DO get old and DO require extended assistance?
So just WHERE do you stand, Maureen, on an illegal who DOES break the law? Does he get deported immediately? Does he get a 3 strikes THEN you’re out deportation? Or do you favor just letting him CONTINUALLY GO, perpetually saying “Well, I don’t care that he’s an illegal. And drunk driving is a misdemeanor charge. So I’d NEVER deport him over that.”
And those are just the tip of the iceberg of things that have been posed here so far…ALL of which you’ve still NEVER ANSWERED.
Gee, I love how you want to lay claim to being SUCH the wonderful humanitarian, but funny how you NEVER address the actual HARD questions that will HAVE to be addressed since ALL of those questions are actual issues that have ALREADY come up and ALREADY need addressing.
Then again, I don’t expect you to show the courage or conviction to actually ANSWER hard questions — not when it’s easier for someone like you to start calling people “racists” just because they DO want answers to some very real issues.
But as I said before, Tinkerbell, it must be nice to live in Fantasyland where money never matters, crimes will never be committed, ALL illegal aliens are “good” and just trying to feed “starving” children. I imagine when you live in a perpetual state of delusion like that, it’s easy for you to justify ANYTHING.
>> Yea, because all those nannies have healthcare insurance paid for by their employers and would NEVER go to the emergency room!
Nice try, but another PATHETIC dodge. So let’s try it again if you can muster even a little bit of limited brain power.
You brought up the idea that no one complains about European or Canadians overstaying their visas, to which I mockingly replied: “Last time I checked, there weren’t 12 MILLION ILLEGAL CANADIAN NANNIES running around” — which by the way would be TRUE.
Or are you ACTUALLY trying to claim that numerically and statistically that there are AS MANY Europeans or Canadians who have overstayed their visa as there are ILLEGAL Mexicans? You have PROOF to back that assertion up?
Yeah, I thought not.
Oh, and for the record, Dim Bulb, here’s where your argument COMPLETELY FELL APART…
The moment you said they overstayed on their Visas, you slit your own throat. Because that meant the Euros and Canadians you were trying to divert attention to ACTUALLY FILLED OUT IMMIGRATION PAPERWORK AND GOT VISAS. SO EVEN IF THEY HAVE OVERSTAYED PAST THE LIMIT, AT LEAST WE KNOW THEY’RE HERE BECAUSE THEY DID FILL OUT THE PROPER PAPERWORK.
Which frankly, legally puts them at the ENTIRE OTHER END of the spectrum compared to 12 million people who just ran across the border and NEVER filled out ANY paperwork and DON’T have visas.
So nice one there. Hope you enjoyed proving what a mental midget you are. Feel free to do your best Homer Simpson impression as you slap your forehead and go “D’OH!!!”
I’m not interested in debating you gorilla. All you do is spout talking points and straw man arguments. You have nothing to offer except ALL CAP SENTENCES. I’m just playing with you. Remember too that the president is on my side. You can keep worrying about Mexicans taking your job but reality is if you had any skills you would have nothing to worry about.
Illegal is Illegal…You can’t debate that fact!
Illegal immigrants should be deported back to their country and prevented from ever returning–end of discussion. Also all employers of illegals should be charged on federal crimes–treason sounds like a fair charge.
If you agree with Geraldo (which shouldn’t be pronounced Heraldo–at least not in America)than you, along with Geraldo and all the illegals, should be cast out of America. This also applies to anyone who can’t speak english…GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!
>> I’m not interested in debating you gorilla. All you do is spout talking points and straw man arguments. You have nothing to offer except ALL CAP SENTENCES.
Hey, I use caps at times for particular emphasis, nothing more. But once again, nice dodge to avoid actually addressing what I said. Gee, talk about having “nothing to offer”, how convenient that you STILL haven’t answered a single question I’ve asked OR backed up ANY of your assertions with a single fact or statistic.
>> I’m just playing with you.
No, as I said, just more dodging on your part, the sure sign of an intellectually feeble mind that can’t actually produce a worthwhile argument.
>> Remember too that the president is on my side.
Really? If that were really true, then riddle me this, Batman: WHY were so many protestors out this weekend AGAINST him? Or are you now admitting that you and the illegals aren’t even on the same page anymore?
Sorry, Maureen, but since he knows he’s a lame duck President at this point, Bush FINALLY got smart and realized he has nothing to lose anymore — least not on immigration — hence his proposed plan actually leans more to placating those on the Right who want harsher fines, harsher penalties, and more deportations. Hell, even Bush’s plan now calls for sending people BACK to their countries of origin to make them register for U.S. admission rights THERE.
So much for him being on “your side.”
>> You can keep worrying about Mexicans taking your job but reality is if you had any skills you would have nothing to worry about.
Considering I pulled down high six figures last year and this year will break 7, trust me, I don’t have to worry about anyone taking my job. Financially speaking, I don’t even have to work anymore.
But nice going at choosing to be a shrew as your fallback position since you’d clearly lost this debate long ago…
hey ape, do you think that the liberals are going to start using “the president is on my side” more?
I would love to see them all fighting for more tax reduction!
by the way, that was the best illegal immigration smackdown ever….notice our intrepid host Ollie steered WAY clear of answering any of YOUR questionions….
Holy shit I hadn’t seen this yet.
This is why Billo doesn’t usually have people on his show with anything resembling experience like Geraldo.
I suppose he’s a teh liberal traitor leftist commie or somethng now.
How come there seem to be five times as many trolls here as there were before Oliver posted that thing about not feeding them a month ago?
this is a copy of an email i sent to Herr Bill today:
I applauded Geraldo and his stance. There is an alarming growing trend in this country of a group of people that are using the immigration issue to release thier own deepseated racist attitudes. THe accident in Virginia was an unfortunate event that should have never happen…but…It was a drunk driving accident. Your views are a poison upon this country regarding immigration.
History has shown us want happens when men like you have a soapbox to stand on. The Nazi’s had issue with a minority group and we can see what happen…yes, bill you can be compared to Joseph Goebbels and the Minuteman Group can be compared to the StormTroppers….American wake up..before its to late.
Lastly I have a quote from one of your heroes “Adolf Hitler”
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it.”
You have done the furherer proud Bill.
Luis: You are a simpleton. That quote wasn’t accurate, and it wasn’t from Hitler.
I hereby invoke Godwin’s Law, and declare the thread dead, killed by Luis.
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Before u can comment on my entry , please do me a favor and use ur name…not some cowards random draw of numbers…Now, my uneducated friend..I am a history major..and YES that is a direct quote…U must be a student of random junk..cause u make no sense..
All of you idiots who support Illegal Aliens should be thrown out with those scum. Thank you to Bill for taking on the fight that most of you dont have the nuts to fight. Call me whatever you want, but we should enforce the damn laws on the books already with regard to these people!
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The only way I can justify Bill OReilly not being fired is to STOP WATCHING FOX NETWORKS AND ALL OF THEIR AFFILIATES….
Wait a minute….
Bush is trying to keep illegal immigrants out too….
Doesn’t Bush own Fox????
In turn = BUSH pays OREILLY to call Mexican-American’s, “WETBACKS”
Also ask yourselves why you are worried about Mexicans taking your jobs….
It’s because they can do your job better than you can and you know it.
This is a country of laws, they are called illegal aliens for a reason. If you are from another country and wish to become a citizen of the US fine, but do it legally. It is not fair to other immigrants who came to the united states and became legal American citizens by doing everything that the law requires only to have illegals come into the country and have the same rights as American citizens. As to those who suggest we should keep all immigrants out of the US, I would like to ask you to look back on your family tree, if your not a native American than at one point in your family history you had a ancestor that immigrated to this country, just a little food for thought.
ARe we all missing the point here? It’s not about an illegal alien, though we have way too many of them, it’s about the fact that he should have been STOPPED and DEPORTED before this happened! Bill O’Reilly was not being a racist, he was simply presenting facts that maybe this girl would not have suffered the consequences had authorities taken care of this individual prior to this happening
o reilly is one of the worst scumbags in the world, he was indeed making a cheap political shot over a tragedy.
Of course legal aliens or citizens would NEVER drive drunk !!
Bill brings yet another example of typical right-wing politics. Damn republicans…
well first of all only liberals will be right on this situation considering they prefer to sell our country up the river to the likes of Hugo Chavez and that crazy ass from Iran. Lock the borders down and rid us of this immigration problem
In respone to: “Please don’t call O’Reilly a conservative. He’s a pinhead ” Pinhead is the definition of a conservative.
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Maybe PREVENTION should be the key on drunk driving and being here ILLEGAL !!
The fact is that had he been deported as he should have been she would be alive. Period.
We have enough trouble keeping order with citezens who we know and who pay their taxes into the justice system. We are judged by our peers. These people are not our peers and do not contribute to this country. They make money and send it back to their country(hear that, their country, not ours, means this is not their country). How do you even have a US court handle a legal case against someone who isn’t an american. Do they have to abide since they have no legal ties to the US. It’s just a mess and we cant get a grip on our criminals we have here let alone take on Mexico’s criminals now too.