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	<title>Comments on: Tony Blair Submitting British Timeline for Iraq Pullout</title>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84036</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of those 402 deaths in LA county were caused by mortar fire? Or by snipers? Or road-side bombs? Or whack-jobs at the marketplace with C4 strapped to their chest?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of those 402 deaths in LA county were caused by mortar fire? Or by snipers? Or road-side bombs? Or whack-jobs at the marketplace with C4 strapped to their chest?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84035</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, now Mao is history&#039;s greatest mass murderer? I thought you said is was Stalin.

Or..Helen Thomas. Or something.

Did you go to that link?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, now Mao is history&#8217;s greatest mass murderer? I thought you said is was Stalin.</p>
<p>Or..Helen Thomas. Or something.</p>
<p>Did you go to that link?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84034</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what you are saying is that it is reasonable to assume that had we not invaded on March 20, that on March 21, Hussein would have started a mass pogrom of his people or that he would have started another war with Iran?

402 Murders in LA county 2006.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what you are saying is that it is reasonable to assume that had we not invaded on March 20, that on March 21, Hussein would have started a mass pogrom of his people or that he would have started another war with Iran?</p>
<p>402 Murders in LA county 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84033</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Midder,

Of course, you can take history&#039;s greatest mass murderer, leftist Mao, and come up with a cherry-picked period where he did not murder all that many.  Apples to apples is Saddam&#039;s reign versus post Saddam.  The post Saddam RATE is roughly four times lower.

And I hate to tell you boys this, if you are honest and are able to do the math, go to the LA COunty Coroners site and you will find that there were/are more violent deaths of US citizens in Los Angeles County than Iraq (not just Baghdad).

Perspective is a troublin&#039; thang.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midder,</p>
<p>Of course, you can take history&#8217;s greatest mass murderer, leftist Mao, and come up with a cherry-picked period where he did not murder all that many.  Apples to apples is Saddam&#8217;s reign versus post Saddam.  The post Saddam RATE is roughly four times lower.</p>
<p>And I hate to tell you boys this, if you are honest and are able to do the math, go to the LA COunty Coroners site and you will find that there were/are more violent deaths of US citizens in Los Angeles County than Iraq (not just Baghdad).</p>
<p>Perspective is a troublin&#8217; thang.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84032</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, listening to Dugger I get the impression the roadside bombs are just celebratory fireworks tragically gone awry.  I guess in Dugger&#039;s head every day is Thank You George Bush Day.  It&#039;s on his calendar.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, listening to Dugger I get the impression the roadside bombs are just celebratory fireworks tragically gone awry.  I guess in Dugger&#8217;s head every day is Thank You George Bush Day.  It&#8217;s on his calendar.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84031</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midder, you can&#039;t go and move the goal posts, you know that.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/02/supergirl-strikes-again.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As long as Baghdad is safer than Los Angeles&lt;/a&gt;, everything will be fine and dandy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>midder, you can&#8217;t go and move the goal posts, you know that.</p>
<p><a href="http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/02/supergirl-strikes-again.html" rel="nofollow">As long as Baghdad is safer than Los Angeles</a>, everything will be fine and dandy.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84030</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What demented individual?&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, now don&#039;t be coy. You know who I mean. The Butcher of Brown People.

&lt;i&gt;Ich bin ein Heathen.&lt;/i&gt; Oh, so am I, but I find the story and the bible itself quite fascinating. Dave Plotz does a good job reading it and blogging on it so we don&#039;t have to. That&#039;s who I was quoting.

And so, you&#039;re OK with the whole &quot;We&#039;re not as bad as that guy, but not necessarily better&quot; theme, yes?
Got it. Way to go.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What demented individual?</i></p>
<p>Oh, now don&#8217;t be coy. You know who I mean. The Butcher of Brown People.</p>
<p><i>Ich bin ein Heathen.</i> Oh, so am I, but I find the story and the bible itself quite fascinating. Dave Plotz does a good job reading it and blogging on it so we don&#8217;t have to. That&#8217;s who I was quoting.</p>
<p>And so, you&#8217;re OK with the whole &#8220;We&#8217;re not as bad as that guy, but not necessarily better&#8221; theme, yes?<br />
Got it. Way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84029</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now refigure for the last ten years of his reign where the death tolls were far lower, because those were the conditions Bush replaced with chaos.  So maybe 5 or 10 thousand per year has been replaced with 30 to 50 thousand and 400 thousand refugees per year.  Add the instability in the region and the explosive growth of terrorist attacks, and I doubt  most of the world would want to thank GW Bush and his fucked up execution of the occupation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now refigure for the last ten years of his reign where the death tolls were far lower, because those were the conditions Bush replaced with chaos.  So maybe 5 or 10 thousand per year has been replaced with 30 to 50 thousand and 400 thousand refugees per year.  Add the instability in the region and the explosive growth of terrorist attacks, and I doubt  most of the world would want to thank GW Bush and his fucked up execution of the occupation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84028</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>duros

What demented individual?

And quoting scripture means zilch to me. Ich bin ein Heathen.

Saddam 1.2M in 27 years= roughly 120 day.  Post Saddam = roughly 56,000 in 5 years = roughly 30 day. Numbers can vary a little but order of magnitude difference is way too great.

On this particular issue, the world owes a debt of gratitude to Pres Bush and the R and D congressmen who authorized war.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duros</p>
<p>What demented individual?</p>
<p>And quoting scripture means zilch to me. Ich bin ein Heathen.</p>
<p>Saddam 1.2M in 27 years= roughly 120 day.  Post Saddam = roughly 56,000 in 5 years = roughly 30 day. Numbers can vary a little but order of magnitude difference is way too great.</p>
<p>On this particular issue, the world owes a debt of gratitude to Pres Bush and the R and D congressmen who authorized war.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84027</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, pretty much, that is his argument that he will defend TO THE DEATH!
Thus we&#039;re better as a nation and a foreign policy than one demented individual with too much power on his hands.

Dugger, you should read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2160153/displaymode/13/workarea/3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt; From the Book of Amos.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Chapter 3
The Lord strikes the same theme in the opening verses of Chapter 3, telling the Israelites that because they were the only people He &quot;singled out&quot; for His love, He will &quot;call you to account for all your iniquities.&quot; When you stop to think about it, this strikes a fatal blow to the &quot;I&#039;m not as bad as he is&quot; school of morality, which holds that you can claim the moral high ground simply by being a smidgen less awful than your neighbor. That doesn&#039;t work for God. He&#039;s an absolutist. So what if the Ammonites and Edomites are worshipping statues and slaughtering babies? That has nothing to do with you. God&#039;s covenant means you have to be righteous all the time, that He&#039;s always watching you, so you better be better than the rest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whoops, there goes your argument.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, pretty much, that is his argument that he will defend TO THE DEATH!<br />
Thus we&#8217;re better as a nation and a foreign policy than one demented individual with too much power on his hands.</p>
<p>Dugger, you should read <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2160153/displaymode/13/workarea/3/" rel="nofollow">this.</a> From the Book of Amos.</p>
<blockquote><p>Chapter 3<br />
The Lord strikes the same theme in the opening verses of Chapter 3, telling the Israelites that because they were the only people He &#8220;singled out&#8221; for His love, He will &#8220;call you to account for all your iniquities.&#8221; When you stop to think about it, this strikes a fatal blow to the &#8220;I&#8217;m not as bad as he is&#8221; school of morality, which holds that you can claim the moral high ground simply by being a smidgen less awful than your neighbor. That doesn&#8217;t work for God. He&#8217;s an absolutist. So what if the Ammonites and Edomites are worshipping statues and slaughtering babies? That has nothing to do with you. God&#8217;s covenant means you have to be righteous all the time, that He&#8217;s always watching you, so you better be better than the rest.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoops, there goes your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84026</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Saddam managed to kill more people in 30 years than we have in three?  Is that your argument?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Saddam managed to kill more people in 30 years than we have in three?  Is that your argument?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84025</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but is it less than what Saddam would have killed?  Now put together a graph and make that claim again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but is it less than what Saddam would have killed?  Now put together a graph and make that claim again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midder,

But the net is less killed than under  Saddam - so none on the doorstep.  So Bush and the Rs and Ds saved lives - net.  But I know - saving thousands of brown-skined lives is not as important if it was done via Republican leadership.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>midder,</p>
<p>But the net is less killed than under  Saddam &#8211; so none on the doorstep.  So Bush and the Rs and Ds saved lives &#8211; net.  But I know &#8211; saving thousands of brown-skined lives is not as important if it was done via Republican leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84023</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A frustrated Iraq could not be reached for comment.

That&#039;s a fair and reasonable compromise Dugger.  All the brown skinned people that were saved by the invasion can be attributed to the senate and the British and Bush.  All the people killed can be laid at Bush&#039;s door for fucking it up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A frustrated Iraq could not be reached for comment.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a fair and reasonable compromise Dugger.  All the brown skinned people that were saved by the invasion can be attributed to the senate and the British and Bush.  All the people killed can be laid at Bush&#8217;s door for fucking it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84022</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks to the Brits. They helped Bush and the Democrats and Republicans in Congress who voted for war save many brown-skinned lives.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks to the Brits. They helped Bush and the Democrats and Republicans in Congress who voted for war save many brown-skinned lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84021</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To people actually paying attention to what is happening in Iraq, this isn&#039;t even news. The British have been moving troops and sending some home for several months, since the Iraqi security forces have taken over in some of the provinces where the British troops have been stationed.

Kind of like the US troops that have mostly moved out of the northern areas where Iraqi security forces have taken over responsibility. (Can anyone say Kurdistan?)

Seems like the plan has worked in some parts of Iraq.

Something else interesting in Blairs plans for withdrawl. There are a lot of conditions that have to be met for the plan to be put into action. Sounds pretty familiar.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To people actually paying attention to what is happening in Iraq, this isn&#8217;t even news. The British have been moving troops and sending some home for several months, since the Iraqi security forces have taken over in some of the provinces where the British troops have been stationed.</p>
<p>Kind of like the US troops that have mostly moved out of the northern areas where Iraqi security forces have taken over responsibility. (Can anyone say Kurdistan?)</p>
<p>Seems like the plan has worked in some parts of Iraq.</p>
<p>Something else interesting in Blairs plans for withdrawl. There are a lot of conditions that have to be met for the plan to be put into action. Sounds pretty familiar.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84020</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great - now we have to start having &#039;Freedom Muffins&#039; for breakfast.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great &#8211; now we have to start having &#8216;Freedom Muffins&#8217; for breakfast.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84019</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must not want to be there for the Iran debacle.
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		<title>By: Waveflux</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84018</link>
		<dc:creator>Waveflux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the war cheerleaders can add Blair to the growing list of appeasers, traitors and whatnot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the war cheerleaders can add Blair to the growing list of appeasers, traitors and whatnot.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/tony-blair-submitting-british-timeline-for-iraq-pullout/#comment-84017</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Howard?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Howard?</p>
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