Comments on: The One Thought I Kept Repeating Over and Over During This Week’s “Heroes” http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84139 Duros62 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:42:19 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84139 And how is it that the overweight guy continues to gain weight while stranded on a "deserted" island.... with electricity, underground bunkers and internet access? Talk about suspension of disbelief. And how is it that the overweight guy continues to gain weight while stranded on a “deserted” island…. with electricity, underground bunkers and internet access?

Talk about suspension of disbelief.

]]> By: StarkyLuv http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84138 StarkyLuv Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:33:13 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84138 I don't agree that it's inferior. It's plodding right now. I guess I enjoy characterization more than others. I'm in no hurry for the "big reveal" on Lost. The do have to move along though... I don’t agree that it’s inferior. It’s plodding right now.

I guess I enjoy characterization more than others. I’m in no hurry for the “big reveal” on Lost.

The do have to move along though…

]]> By: Oliver http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84137 Oliver Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:18:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84137 I guess I don't have your faith that there's a definite end to Lost. And even so, its not an excuse to produce an inferior tv show. I guess I don’t have your faith that there’s a definite end to Lost. And even so, its not an excuse to produce an inferior tv show.

]]> By: StarkyLuv http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84136 StarkyLuv Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:11:38 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84136 I agree. And that's exactly what I'm saying. They're figuring out just how much to reveal and when. That's the main drawback. Keep the mystery going too long and people WILL eventually lose interest. Heroes isn't bound by the "definitive end" like Lost. They're free to take the story any direction they want without worrying about how to properly end it. They don't have to pace themselves like the Lost writers do. I agree. And that’s exactly what I’m saying. They’re figuring out just how much to reveal and when.

That’s the main drawback. Keep the mystery going too long and people WILL eventually lose interest.

Heroes isn’t bound by the “definitive end” like Lost. They’re free to take the story any direction they want without worrying about how to properly end it. They don’t have to pace themselves like the Lost writers do.

]]> By: Oliver http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84135 Oliver Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:31:26 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84135 That may make sense in some abstract sense but the proof is in the pudding. The story hasn't moved, there is resolution to absolutely NOTHING. I'm not saying we should get a magical moment that solves it all but at least one dangling storyline deserves resolution. That may make sense in some abstract sense but the proof is in the pudding. The story hasn’t moved, there is resolution to absolutely NOTHING. I’m not saying we should get a magical moment that solves it all but at least one dangling storyline deserves resolution.

]]> By: StarkyLuv http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84134 StarkyLuv Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:11:36 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84134 Oliver Willis asked: "Do you really think the Lost writers have it figured out? I honestly think they're just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks, and that's why the show's had a marked decrease in quality." Yes, the Lost writers have the general arc and ending planned out. But not knowing how many seasons they have to tell the story forces them to improvise DETAILS. The overall story (what the island is, how the characters are connected, how it will end) is already set in stone. The smaller details are what's malleable. Oliver Willis asked:
“Do you really think the Lost writers have it figured out? I honestly think they’re just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks, and that’s why the show’s had a marked decrease in quality.”

Yes, the Lost writers have the general arc and ending planned out. But not knowing how many seasons they have to tell the story forces them to improvise DETAILS.

The overall story (what the island is, how the characters are connected, how it will end) is already set in stone. The smaller details are what’s malleable.

]]> By: boo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84133 boo Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:54:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84133 The Lost people have the story to Season 5. ABC will not guarentee a timeline however, thus the story got muddled a bit at the beginning of this season. Plus, an 8 month break will kill any show. For Heroes, the actor who plays Sylar/Zane is horrible. He plays the "evil guy" cliche, and it's completely annoying. I hope they get a better bad guy ... namely one who can act. The Lost people have the story to Season 5. ABC will not guarentee a timeline however, thus the story got muddled a bit at the beginning of this season. Plus, an 8 month break will kill any show.

For Heroes, the actor who plays Sylar/Zane is horrible. He plays the “evil guy” cliche, and it’s completely annoying. I hope they get a better bad guy … namely one who can act.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84132 Duros62 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:28:47 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84132 I think I finally figured out why it's called Lost, and it has nothing to do with the plane crash survivors. It's how I feel every time I watch it. When are they gonna figure out that they are on Catalina? <i>(yes, I gave them codenames, "realism" be damned).</i> when do they get their spandex suits and Hall of Justice? Oh yeah, and Stan Lee. Awesome cameo or media whore? I think I finally figured out why it’s called Lost, and it has nothing to do with the plane crash survivors. It’s how I feel every time I watch it. When are they gonna figure out that they are on Catalina?

(yes, I gave them codenames, “realism” be damned).

when do they get their spandex suits and Hall of Justice?

Oh yeah, and Stan Lee. Awesome cameo or media whore?

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84131 Oliver Willis Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:41:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84131 Do you really think the Lost writers have it figured out? I honestly think they're just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks, and that's why the show's had a marked decrease in quality. Do you really think the Lost writers have it figured out? I honestly think they’re just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks, and that’s why the show’s had a marked decrease in quality.

]]> By: mike in dc http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84130 mike in dc Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:42:12 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84130 It could be a cultural thing with Mohinder. He might not pick up on those social cues, though I expect he'd have to be starting to get suspicious at this point. It could be a cultural thing with Mohinder. He might not pick up on those social cues, though I expect he’d have to be starting to get suspicious at this point.

]]> By: StarkyLuv http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/20/the-one-thought-i-kept-repeating-over-and-over-during-this-weeks-heroes/#comment-84129 StarkyLuv Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:53:33 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6895#comment-84129 Heroes and Lost are my favorite shows too, but Lost IS the better show. The difference is that Lost has the albatross of "The Big Mystery" to maintain while Heroes is free to go the other route and do "The Big Reveal" every week. Lost has a finite story with a DEFINITIVE end that the writers already have thought out. They're restricted to trying to jam stories within that framework with no way of knowing how many seasons it will go. This drags the "mystery" on too long and soon viewers will stop caring about just what and where that island is and how all those characters are connected. Heroes is quite literally a comic book. You can just string story after story together with no fear of living up to some big mystery or ending. That's why every episode ends with amazing cliffhangers. You can also add or subtract as many characters as you want. The writers are free to go crazy on Heroes. So it's just the different formats that allows Heroes to be more exhilerating while it seems Lost has to deliberately pace itself. Lost is the "better" show, but I'm enjoying Heroes more this season. Heroes and Lost are my favorite shows too, but Lost IS the better show.

The difference is that Lost has the albatross of “The Big Mystery” to maintain while Heroes is free to go the other route and do “The Big Reveal” every week.

Lost has a finite story with a DEFINITIVE end that the writers already have thought out. They’re restricted to trying to jam stories within that framework with no way of knowing how many seasons it will go. This drags the “mystery” on too long and soon viewers will stop caring about just what and where that island is and how all those characters are connected.

Heroes is quite literally a comic book. You can just string story after story together with no fear of living up to some big mystery or ending. That’s why every episode ends with amazing cliffhangers. You can also add or subtract as many characters as you want. The writers are free to go crazy on Heroes.

So it’s just the different formats that allows Heroes to be more exhilerating while it seems Lost has to deliberately pace itself. Lost is the “better” show, but I’m enjoying Heroes more this season.

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