Conservatives like our own Jay continually point to Olbermann’s ratings in relation to Bill O’Reilly and claim that he doesn’t bother them, but then of course there are sites like Olbermannwatch dedicated to attacking this supposedly low-rated program, while the factually shoddy cretins at Newsbusters (the blog arm of the shrill Media Research Center) wrote up the following today:
Flashback: Study — Keith Olbermann Finds 174 Bad Conservatives, Only 23 Bad Liberals
Olbermann Assumes NBC’s Bill Moyers Chair In Liberal Outrage
NBC Brass Ooze Over ‘Compelling’ Olbermann as ‘Centerpiece’ of MSNBC Growth
Keith Olbermann to Become ‘NBC Nightly News’ Contributor
That’s four posts in three hours for somebody on the “fringe” that they don’t fear.
Go, Keith, Go.
Oliver,
Like MM, when any news happens .. say the hiring of Glenn Beck at CNN, they pull up information because it is NEWS. Errr.
I like how you complain when I was complaining about C&L. And you do the same thing.
MM is the left-wing shill of George Soros!! Look, I can do it too!!
But based on what you guys always say about Olbermann, that he has low ratings and he’s on the “fringe”, why expend all the energy? And I still have no idea what your point is with C+L and Olbermann. How about just saying what you’re saying instead of talking around things?
I admit a lot of energy in put towards this man, but he is such an easy target.
And stop with the “he has 90000% higher ratings compared to January 2006.” When you had/have such terrible ratings like him, you have no where to go BUT up.
Also: I really love how Olby and liberals say “he’s no biased, he’s not biased,” when it is them who love him and conservatives who denounce him. Hmm, things that make you wonder.
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Oliver,
What do you mean “How about just saying what you’re saying instead of talking around things?” I’m not talking about anything any you know this. As far as I know, Olby has an extra special relationship with TVNewser and C&L .. and probably MM. Don’t deny.
PS:
OMG! MM is obsessed with Bill O!!!!! Lookie at this page:
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/billoreilly?sort=default&offset=15
MM writes about O’R .. 3 times on Friday (Jan 19), three times on Wed (Jan 10) and three times on Thurs (Dec 21).
Took 10 seconds.
As usual you miss the point, either out of stupidity or on purpose. We write a lot about O’Reilly because he has a high position of influence on America as the top rated cable news host. When your mission is combating conservative misinformation, BillO is going to be a prime target. The point I was making, which has apparently gone way over your head, is that conservatives like you just did say that Olbermann’s ratings are low and a fringe thing but then pay an assload of attention to him. If he’s so fringe and something that doesn’t concern you, why the disproportionate attention?
Of course nobody is pretending that Olbermann has huge ratings, but they are consistently on the rise in a way no show save Donahue has ever been on MSNBC. That the upward movement coincides with Olbermann taking shots at O’Reilly is not a coincidence because he’s serving an audience that was not being addressed on Fox or CNN or MSNBC up to that point.
What do you mean “How about just saying what you’re saying instead of talking around things?” I’m not talking about anything any you know this. As far as I know, Olby has an extra special relationship with TVNewser and C&L .. and probably MM. Don’t deny.
What in God’s name do you mean here? Sweet Jesus, you’re supposedly in college! Say what you’re trying to say. Are you upset that people may e-mail each other or trade ideas by reading blogs and watching tv shows? Are you (most likely) trying to insinuate something nefarious here when you’re part of several organizations that also trade information and choose people to target?
As usual, Oliver doesn’t read or just ignores my comment. Instead of “getting around” my point, I’ll just flat out say it, Oliver’s stupid. I gave my reasoning: “I admit a lot of energy in put towards this man, but he is such an easy target.”
Olbermann is a news host, like Bill O. Just not as popular. Why does MM give Olbermann so much attention? You guys give him a happy ending every time he names Bill O “worst” person in the world.
Your second paragraph is very incoherent. Olbermann does what most hosts don’t? Uh, Oliver for someone whose job it is to watch TV, it doesn’t seem like you’re doing it. What cable news host ran several attack segments on O’Reilly? (I’ll give you a hint, it’s not Olby and he is a former congressman) And, correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying there is (and/or should be ) a market out there for a cable news program to attack another cable news program? I believe that is what you just said.
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My last paragraph should have read (and I apologize) “I’m not talking about anything you don’t know about.”
(1) We’re not talking about me, so stop trying to change the subject, Odub.
(2) Is your talking about what I apparently do/am apart of (according to you) implying you admit your employer (Media Matters), C&L and TVNewser have a relationship with MSNBC/Olby?
(3) Your apparent reasoning is : “It’s okay because you do it too!” is sad. Because I do not receive talking points from FOX News or Bill O. like ya’ll do from Olby. How do you think TVN got that “exclusive” of Olby’s contract renewal.
Maybe because TVNewser is an industry news source and he’s cultivated contacts. Its what journalists do.
What Olbermann does that most hosts don’t is question the prevailing Republican/Conservative dogma. On the other networks, GOP spin – true or untrue – is taken and repeated at face value (that’s why MM has so much to cover). Olbermann doesn’t. He actually challenges the prevailing spin instead of just regurgitating it like Fox, and occasionally CNN, do.
You’re implying something about C+L, MSNBC and Media Matters. I have no idea what you’re implying because you won’t come out and say it. Just say it. The best I know of is that Olbermann and his crew read blogs and get ideas for stories out of them. I don’t know what’s apparently wrong with that based on the way you keep harping at it, nor do I see how its different from what you guys do except that it’s based on actual facts.
So, like, that first link, the one that says ‘Only 23 Bad Liberals’ contains this quote:
“Out of these 197 nominees, there were 174, or 88 percent, that featured an attack on a conservative target or ideas, compared with 23 nominees, or 12 percent, that featured an attack on liberal targets or ideas.”
So here’s my question: What *is* a conservative idea? What *is* a liberal idea? If I attack, say, ineptitude and corruption in the Iraq reconstruction, is that an attack on conservative ideas? Or is it an attack on liberal ideas?
Every time someone tells me that there’s media bias because the media reflects negatively on conservative ideas, I ask what that means. Usually there’s no answer forthcoming. THEY DON’T KNOW. It’s all a bunch of presumption.
Furthermore, look at the list of liberals vs. conservatives they tallied. They listed Louis freaking Farrakhan as a *liberal.* They say ‘Brokeback Mountain’ is liberal, despite the fact that it’s the story of two men who deny their love for each other in the face of a more conservative world.
Only stupid people are taking them seriously, but stupid people vote, too.
Re: Olly’s post ..
Cultivated contacts? Oliver, that doesn’t matter. He is getting his info directly from Keith and if he was a REAL journalist .. he would come out and say it. And he’s not a journalist … as Robert Cox has pointed out, he has made stuff up, constantly deletes / edit timestamps, etc.
BWHHAHAHAHAA. Oh God, he’s such a daring guy, Keith that is. *Gasp* I can’t believe that he DARES to exercise the first amendment. He’s such a hero, exercising the right everyone is entitled to!
I’m not implying anything, I’ve said it the last 3 or 4 times, you idiot. KEITH OLBERMANN’S PRODUCERS ARE DIRECTLY FEEDING YOU AND LIBERAL BLOGS CONTENT. Okay?
Come out and say what?
Yes, he’s blatantly feeding us content by… producing and airing his tv show, the bastard! Are you alleging anything more than that, because if you are, you guys are more paranoid than I thought and that makes me happy (without being so upset at my inability to clearly express myself that I resort to name calling).
(And Cox is playing you all for a fool, but I’ll leave explaining that part to him)
Wow, Ian. Proving that Olbermann and O.W. are liberal. Pardon us while that’s relegated to the NO SHIT folder.
Gee, why this dangerous fixation on a news network that hosts a man who wanted to put a bullet between Al Frankens head, suggest that Barack Obama attended a terror school and keeping a political commentator on the payroll who’s highest level of education is an honorary degree from Liberty University?
That might escape you while you work under duress being Jeese Malkins stenographer, Jay. But thats not like a partisan welfare kinda job that O.W. does working for the evil svengali George Soros.
Maybe O.W. should get a real job. Perhaps by scrutinizing the motives of journalists who have the audacity to report from Iraq. Or maybe questioning the structural integrity of mosques while aligning with far right religious conservatives in excoriating “potty mouth” bloggers. All the while paving a golden road to a Heritage Foundation speaking gig.
What a tool.
How can you prove that KO feeds content to bloggers (C+L, Kos, etc.) when most of the stories I have seen on Countdown I have read about earlier in the day? If anything, Ian, C+L et al are feeding content to Countdown, not the other way around.
I personally think its pretty cool that a story I read about at 3:00 is featured on the Countdown that night. it shows to me that Keith has his finger on the pulse of what people are talking about (perhaps that’s why the opening of the show states “Here are some of the stories you’ll be talking aobut tomorrow”).
I don’t try to fool myself that Keith doesn’t have a liberal slant, or that he is a bona-fide “serious journalist”, given his penchant for sports stories-baseball in particular- that don’t really interest me much. But I enjoy the fact that he isn’t trying to cover up his liberal bias. It’s right there. The show is funny and serious at the same time.
The fact that you guys ae trying so hard to make him look bad or expose some sort of “special relationship” is just kind of sad.
The fact that you guys are so loathe to repudiate the actions of commentators on the right speaks volumes.
Keith often pokes at Democrats as well as Republics. O’rilly, not so much.
Conservatives get more attention because they say and do stoopid more often.
Who said anything about Cox? Ugh, you. Don’t play coy with me. It’s weird how MM has a happy ending post on Olby at least once a week.
Ian, jealousy has a certain stench to it.
I have a problem with categorizing Mr. Olbermann or Bill O’Reilly as “news hosts”. When one crosses the line from reporting the news to frequent personal commentary they are no longer a “news host”. They are the television equivalent of an opinion columnist.
That aside, I’ve watched both for quite a long time and I must say I like Mr. Olbermann’s commentaries much better, and not just because they lean to the left (AKA common sense). He is more articulate, delivers well, his research team apparently is worth their weight in platinum, he comes up with interesting bits of trivia, and comes off as much more polished.
An accurate description of Bill O’Reilly can be found here:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=bill_oreilly
Hey Duros,
Krazy Keith pokes fun at democrats??
Name once!!!
And for all the times I’ve watched them both, at least Oreilly has dissenting guests on (too many sometimes). Olbermann to this day has NEVER (that’s NEVER) had a guest on that didn’t parrot everything he said.
And NO-ONE on this site will be able to prove otherwise.