Comments on: Connect The Dots http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: z adura http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84495 z adura Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:19:40 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84495 Dugger, what you will find is that if you wait out evil dictators, they die or are overthrown by their own people. It is a well-established, natural pattern that doesn't require American wealth and human capital. Dugger, what you will find is that if you wait out evil dictators, they die or are overthrown by their own people. It is a well-established, natural pattern that doesn’t require American wealth and human capital.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84494 Duros62 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:24:48 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84494 Stalin. Castro. Pinochet. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. Tito. Milosevich. Franco. Heeding the lessons of 1848? Yeah, I want America aligned with this group. /snark. Stalin. Castro. Pinochet. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. Tito. Milosevich. Franco.

Heeding the lessons of 1848?

Yeah, I want America aligned with this group.
/snark.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84493 midderpidge Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:17:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84493 Now there is evidence that EFPs are manufactured in Iraq, and the manufacturer says the Sniper Rifles may not have come from Iran, especially since the US has not asked the company to check the serial numbers. Now there is evidence that EFPs are manufactured in Iraq, and the manufacturer says the Sniper Rifles may not have come from Iran, especially since the US has not asked the company to check the serial numbers.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84492 Dugger Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:22:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84492 Z Well lets do it your way. Jusy go and confront an islamist theocratic government and country that hates us with western textbook ideas and platitudes and see what it gets you. You'll be handed your head. Our ideals; our moral authority is not theirs. Not at all. Z

Well lets do it your way. Jusy go and confront an islamist theocratic government and country that hates us with western textbook ideas and platitudes and see what it gets you. You’ll be handed your head. Our ideals; our moral authority is not theirs. Not at all.

]]> By: z adura http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84491 z adura Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:12:50 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84491 Dugger, ideas are cheaper than Apache helicopters and significantly more useful. Soviet dissidents didn't embrace American civic culture because we have bigger weapons, they did so because of the force of American ideals. We never had to invade Moscow to win. The same applies to Iran. If you want to understand the fury of Persian nationalism and subject America to future of obscurity, keep pushing the military angle. Dugger, ideas are cheaper than Apache helicopters and significantly more useful. Soviet dissidents didn’t embrace American civic culture because we have bigger weapons, they did so because of the force of American ideals. We never had to invade Moscow to win.

The same applies to Iran. If you want to understand the fury of Persian nationalism and subject America to future of obscurity, keep pushing the military angle.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84490 midderpidge Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:10:39 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84490 Maybe Dugger would be happier with the Genghis Khan method of the mountain of skulls by the city gates. Maybe Dugger would be happier with the Genghis Khan method of the mountain of skulls by the city gates.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84489 Dugger Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:11:32 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84489 nimmer Napolean was the name he took after his diet. (Careful, possible satirisation in my remarks) z, My point is the force of ideas, of moral authority ("The most powerful tool of the U.S. presidency is moral authority. ") will not prevail against armed fanatics. OW seems to believe a/the Pres can prevail in places like Iran via moral authority. That set the needle quivering on my Bull-sh*tometer. nimmer

Napolean was the name he took after his diet.
(Careful, possible satirisation in my remarks)

z,
My point is the force of ideas, of moral authority (“The most powerful tool of the U.S. presidency is moral authority. “) will not prevail against armed fanatics. OW seems to believe a/the Pres can prevail in places like Iran via moral authority. That set the needle quivering on my Bull-sh*tometer.

]]> By: z adura http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84488 z adura Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:34:48 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84488 Dugger, if you in your dictatorial fantasies are just looking for times when brutal regimes suppressed dissent with the heavy hand of military hardware, you need not limit your value to some obscure reference to 1848. Stalin managed Eastern Europe with similar tactics. This is hardly the model most of us hope to see employed here on the home front or wish to export abroad. Dugger, if you in your dictatorial fantasies are just looking for times when brutal regimes suppressed dissent with the heavy hand of military hardware, you need not limit your value to some obscure reference to 1848. Stalin managed Eastern Europe with similar tactics. This is hardly the model most of us hope to see employed here on the home front or wish to export abroad.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84487 Nimrod Gently Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:11:27 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84487 Napoleon. And I still don't know what you're talking about. Napoleon. And I still don’t know what you’re talking about.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84486 Dugger Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:47:53 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84486 Read z. 'Post Napolean'. BTW there was more than one Napolean of importance. The lesson of 1848 was that hardware beat software. Read z. ‘Post Napolean’.

BTW there was more than one Napolean of importance.

The lesson of 1848 was that hardware beat software.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84485 frameone Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:23:15 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84485 "As Eurpopean history buffs know ..." Um, got anything from, you know, the Middle East? Maybe that might be a little more helpful ... “As Eurpopean history buffs know …”

Um, got anything from, you know, the Middle East? Maybe that might be a little more helpful …

]]> By: z adura http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84484 z adura Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:45:04 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84484 Dugger, I am afraid I still have no idea what lessons you draw from 1848, and I am concerned you really don't understand the history of the period very well, particularly in that you misspelled Napoleon, who by 1848 had been dead for 30 years. What is the point you are trying to make? Dugger,

I am afraid I still have no idea what lessons you draw from 1848, and I am concerned you really don’t understand the history of the period very well, particularly in that you misspelled Napoleon, who by 1848 had been dead for 30 years. What is the point you are trying to make?

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84483 Dugger Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:31:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84483 frame As Eurpopean history buffs know, the Revolutions of 1848 were characterized by zealous idealism. Idealism that was squashed by power from the 'barrel of a gun' - the Concert of Vienna powers. The actions of the Concert of Vienna (major powers suppressing small uprisings post Napolean) probably led to the longest sustained period of peace in Euro history. frame

As Eurpopean history buffs know, the Revolutions of 1848 were characterized by zealous idealism. Idealism that was squashed by power from the ‘barrel of a gun’ – the Concert of Vienna powers. The actions of the Concert of Vienna (major powers suppressing small uprisings post Napolean) probably led to the longest sustained period of peace in Euro history.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84482 midderpidge Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:43:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84482 Oil for food scandal? Ha, it takes Bush's buddies to really run a scam. Millions of dollars' worth of oil is stolen daily in Iraq because of the absence of oil meters. The CPA and the current (Bush buddy Ahmed Chalani) oil minister seem to like it this way. Oil for food scandal? Ha, it takes Bush’s buddies to really run a scam. Millions of dollars’ worth of oil is stolen daily in Iraq because of the absence of oil meters. The CPA and the current (Bush buddy Ahmed Chalani) oil minister seem to like it this way.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84481 Nimrod Gently Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:29:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84481 Wrong kind of brown. My family have a term for watching 24: brown people = evil, black people = good. Curtis = black. The Mummy = brown. Dr. Bashir = brown with aspirations. Wrong kind of brown.

My family have a term for watching 24: brown people = evil, black people = good.

Curtis = black. The Mummy = brown. Dr. Bashir = brown with aspirations.

]]> By: Mike http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84480 Mike Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:10:38 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84480 <blockquote><i>... I question the timing! Mike |</i></blockquote> Sistani is the Persian Shite, al Sadr is not and has shown no particular love of Iran. This story is not impossible but suspect <blockquote><i>Heed the lessons of 1848. Dugger </i></blockquote> You need to heed the lessons of 2003: Bush is a liar and has no credibility. <blockquote><i>...all of western europe agreed ...We're less safe and secure? ... peedromd07 </i></blockquote> It doesn't matter what intel thought because there were inspectors on the ground who were discovering that all the intel was wrong and Bush knew it. That's why he had to rush into war. The intel now maintains that Bush's war has strengthened the ideology of radical fundamentalists and anti-Americans everywhere. Thanks, Dubya! <blockquote><i>... a group of people who say "This has got to stop!"...peedromd07 3:16:40 PM</i></blockquote> I presume you are outraged by those American companies making bucks on Oil For Food and by stopping something you mean the illegal no-fly zones and sanctions? Since Saints Raygun and Rumdum armed Saddam and supported his war on Iran, are you now going to think of him as a martyr of Bush's fiasco? <blockquote><i>....they aren't brown, are they? Duros62</i></blockquote> Ah, yes, they are.

… I question the timing! Mike |

Sistani is the Persian Shite, al Sadr is not and has shown no particular love of Iran. This story is not impossible but suspect

Heed the lessons of 1848. Dugger

You need to heed the lessons of 2003: Bush is a liar and has no credibility.

…all of western europe agreed …We’re less safe and secure? … peedromd07

It doesn’t matter what intel thought because there were inspectors on the ground who were discovering that all the intel was wrong and Bush knew it. That’s why he had to rush into war. The intel now maintains that Bush’s war has strengthened the ideology of radical fundamentalists and anti-Americans everywhere. Thanks, Dubya!

… a group of people who say “This has got to stop!”…peedromd07 3:16:40 PM

I presume you are outraged by those American companies making bucks on Oil For Food and by stopping something you mean the illegal no-fly zones and sanctions? Since Saints Raygun and Rumdum armed Saddam and supported his war on Iran, are you now going to think of him as a martyr of Bush’s fiasco?

….they aren’t brown, are they? Duros62

Ah, yes, they are.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84479 Duros62 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:19:05 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84479 How many folks are dying each day in Darfur? Oh, that's right...they aren't brown, are they? How many folks are dying each day in Darfur? Oh, that’s right…they aren’t brown, are they?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84478 midderpidge Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:10 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84478 Incidently, how much money were the French and German and other countries directly receiving from this oil for food bribery thing Pedo is talking about? It seems there were alot of Texas oil companies involved also before Bush decided to invade and just take over the oil. Incidently, how much money were the French and German and other countries directly receiving from this oil for food bribery thing Pedo is talking about?

It seems there were alot of Texas oil companies involved also before Bush decided to invade and just take over the oil.

]]> By: Joey Doughnuts http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84477 Joey Doughnuts Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:27:39 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84477 Nobody cares about WMDs, come on, that's old news. The super really real reason (seriously this time) we invaded Iraq is because we wanted to free all of the innocent people from Saddams evil ways. I mean he was killing more people every day then are being killed now. We are helping spread freedom and democracy throughout the middle east. WMDs have nothing to do with anything (chirp...chirp...) BTW, I hope the warmongers who like to babble on and on about how many people Saddam was killing were so supportive about helping out Croatia and Bosnia when they were getting massacred. Oh no wait, Clinton was president, they didn't care about other countries freedoms back then... Nobody cares about WMDs, come on, that’s old news. The super really real reason (seriously this time) we invaded Iraq is because we wanted to free all of the innocent people from Saddams evil ways. I mean he was killing more people every day then are being killed now. We are helping spread freedom and democracy throughout the middle east. WMDs have nothing to do with anything (chirp…chirp…)

BTW, I hope the warmongers who like to babble on and on about how many people Saddam was killing were so supportive about helping out Croatia and Bosnia when they were getting massacred. Oh no wait, Clinton was president, they didn’t care about other countries freedoms back then…

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/15/connect-the-dots-2/#comment-84476 midderpidge Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:18:04 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=6936#comment-84476 Pedo misses the point that the UN was doing something about the WMDs they were on the ground with inspectors, a perfect opportunity to check all that US intelligence, and they did and said all the US intelligence was garbage. So much for Pedo's argument. Pedo misses the point that the UN was doing something about the WMDs they were on the ground with inspectors, a perfect opportunity to check all that US intelligence, and they did and said all the US intelligence was garbage. So much for Pedo’s argument.

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