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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85380</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;New NASA satellite temperature data reveals that the Southern Hemisphere has not warmed in the past 25 years, contrary to &#039;global warming theory&#039; and modeling,&quot; Morano said. &quot;This new data may require a name change from &#039;global warming&#039; to &#039;Northern Hemisphere warming.&#039;&quot;


Im demand this man be put in jail!!! Doesn&#039;t he know the science is settled?! NASA too.  Put all of NASA in jail. How dare they come up with data that casts doubt on manmade GLOBAL warming.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New NASA satellite temperature data reveals that the Southern Hemisphere has not warmed in the past 25 years, contrary to &#8216;global warming theory&#8217; and modeling,&#8221; Morano said. &#8220;This new data may require a name change from &#8216;global warming&#8217; to &#8216;Northern Hemisphere warming.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Im demand this man be put in jail!!! Doesn&#8217;t he know the science is settled?! NASA too.  Put all of NASA in jail. How dare they come up with data that casts doubt on manmade GLOBAL warming.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85379</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice summary Dugger,I expect to see this thread die a quiet death now.

My guess is that we have trod upon the magical religion of climate change for most of Oliver&#039;s denizens, and it now become quite uncomfortable for them.  They realize that the question of whether or not mankind can actually effect change is in fact paramount.

Yes Beatrice, the emperor has no clothes...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice summary Dugger,I expect to see this thread die a quiet death now.</p>
<p>My guess is that we have trod upon the magical religion of climate change for most of Oliver&#8217;s denizens, and it now become quite uncomfortable for them.  They realize that the question of whether or not mankind can actually effect change is in fact paramount.</p>
<p>Yes Beatrice, the emperor has no clothes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85378</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger &#124; Feb 9, 2007 8:08:57 AM
&quot;... the size of the problem shrinks to nothingness.&quot;

Like Iraq&#039;s WMD?

If pedugger doesn&#039;t believe in it, it doesn&#039;t exist?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger | Feb 9, 2007 8:08:57 AM<br />
&#8220;&#8230; the size of the problem shrinks to nothingness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like Iraq&#8217;s WMD?</p>
<p>If pedugger doesn&#8217;t believe in it, it doesn&#8217;t exist?</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85377</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Game, set, match Pedro.  The question, despite the &#039;fact&#039; that the science is &#039;settled&#039;, was seripously answered by no one.  In the 70&#039;s we just HAD to go to the icecaps and spread soot over them to prevent global cooling.  Newsweek and Time told us so.

&quot;Here&#039;s how The Economist characterized the seven-year life-cycle of environmental catastrophes: Year 1 a scientist discovers some potential threat. Year 2 journalists oversimplify and exaggerate it. Year 3 environmentalists chime in and polarize the issue (&quot;Either you agree that the world is about to come to an end and are fired by righteous indignation, or you are a paid lackey of big business&quot;). Year 4 brings the international conferences and bureaucrats well-supplied with club-class tickets and limelight. Year 5 is the year nations pick one country as villain and gang up on it. Year 6 is when skeptical scientists say the scare is exaggerated, driving the Greens into paroxysms of pious rage (&quot;How dare you give space to fringe views? cry these once-fringe people to newspaper editors.&quot;) Year 7 is the year of the quiet climbdown. Without fanfare, the official consensus estimate of the size of the problem shrinks to nothingness. &quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Game, set, match Pedro.  The question, despite the &#8216;fact&#8217; that the science is &#8217;settled&#8217;, was seripously answered by no one.  In the 70&#8217;s we just HAD to go to the icecaps and spread soot over them to prevent global cooling.  Newsweek and Time told us so.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s how The Economist characterized the seven-year life-cycle of environmental catastrophes: Year 1 a scientist discovers some potential threat. Year 2 journalists oversimplify and exaggerate it. Year 3 environmentalists chime in and polarize the issue (&#8221;Either you agree that the world is about to come to an end and are fired by righteous indignation, or you are a paid lackey of big business&#8221;). Year 4 brings the international conferences and bureaucrats well-supplied with club-class tickets and limelight. Year 5 is the year nations pick one country as villain and gang up on it. Year 6 is when skeptical scientists say the scare is exaggerated, driving the Greens into paroxysms of pious rage (&#8221;How dare you give space to fringe views? cry these once-fringe people to newspaper editors.&#8221;) Year 7 is the year of the quiet climbdown. Without fanfare, the official consensus estimate of the size of the problem shrinks to nothingness. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85376</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple question that only you think is important enough to be a deal-breaker.
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85375</link>
		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a simple question remains unanswered after so many comments.....A simple answer that is absolutely crucial to the question of what we are going to do about.

Yup, typical lefty windbags, lots of bluster, no data...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a simple question remains unanswered after so many comments&#8230;..A simple answer that is absolutely crucial to the question of what we are going to do about.</p>
<p>Yup, typical lefty windbags, lots of bluster, no data&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diamond LeGrande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diamond LeGrande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do find it funny a blog called &quot;Hog on Ice&quot; would scream &quot;Fatso!&quot;

And, as for &quot;Pedromalamadingdong,&quot; I have a German last name that has inspired a few barbs, and I don&#039;t go off on the taunter for anti-German bigotry. Of course, it actually works when we&#039;re talking about someone like Michelle Magalang Malkin, whose name includes &quot;Magalang,&quot; rather than a simple &quot;Pedro,&quot; but I digress.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find it funny a blog called &#8220;Hog on Ice&#8221; would scream &#8220;Fatso!&#8221;</p>
<p>And, as for &#8220;Pedromalamadingdong,&#8221; I have a German last name that has inspired a few barbs, and I don&#8217;t go off on the taunter for anti-German bigotry. Of course, it actually works when we&#8217;re talking about someone like Michelle Magalang Malkin, whose name includes &#8220;Magalang,&#8221; rather than a simple &#8220;Pedro,&#8221; but I digress.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85373</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t think we should bring western civilization to a halt for it.&quot;

Wow. Just wow. How paranoid are you losers?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think we should bring western civilization to a halt for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow. Just wow. How paranoid are you losers?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/07/wow-i-thought-i-was-a-nerd/#comment-85372</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone, and I mean anyone, has called for halting western civilization, have they? Not even Ralph Nader is ready to go that far.
I mean, let&#039;s face it, carbon emissions is not gonna end anytime soon (unless Bush/Cheney are serious about Iran, etc. But I digress.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone, and I mean anyone, has called for halting western civilization, have they? Not even Ralph Nader is ready to go that far.<br />
I mean, let&#8217;s face it, carbon emissions is not gonna end anytime soon (unless Bush/Cheney are serious about Iran, etc. But I digress.)</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, 50% is your cutoff, Pedro? Any less than that and we shouldn&#039;t sweat it (HA! haha!1, sorry), right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, 50% is your cutoff, Pedro? Any less than that and we shouldn&#8217;t sweat it (HA! haha!1, sorry), right?</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again quaker, slowly this time.

I agree there is global warming.  I will even concede that some of it is caused by humans.

I want to know HOW much is caused by humans.  If it is 1%, then spending billions getting wrapped around the axle is an abject waste of time and money. If it is 50%, then I will also agree that we need to do something about it.

Until we get that answer, especially since we know that there have been warming/cooling cycles in the past, I don&#039;t think we should bring western civilization to a halt for it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again quaker, slowly this time.</p>
<p>I agree there is global warming.  I will even concede that some of it is caused by humans.</p>
<p>I want to know HOW much is caused by humans.  If it is 1%, then spending billions getting wrapped around the axle is an abject waste of time and money. If it is 50%, then I will also agree that we need to do something about it.</p>
<p>Until we get that answer, especially since we know that there have been warming/cooling cycles in the past, I don&#8217;t think we should bring western civilization to a halt for it.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Simply go to.....wait a minute! Do I really want to pestered by militant, jobless lefties where I work?&quot;

ROFL
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Simply go to&#8230;..wait a minute! Do I really want to pestered by militant, jobless lefties where I work?&#8221;</p>
<p>ROFL</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice video work on the part of the Wingnut F-Minus Troop. It appears they earned their editing chops while taking their home courses in gun repair.
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Evolution is not a fact&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;Evolution&quot; is a fact. It is considered scientific fact that we share common ancestors with other species. How that occurs is the evolutionary theory.

Likewise, global warming is a fact since the average global temperatures have increased over time. The explanation as to how that occurs is the theory.

thus endeth the science lesson
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<p>&#8220;Evolution&#8221; is a fact. It is considered scientific fact that we share common ancestors with other species. How that occurs is the evolutionary theory.</p>
<p>Likewise, global warming is a fact since the average global temperatures have increased over time. The explanation as to how that occurs is the theory.</p>
<p>thus endeth the science lesson</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Pedro, published articles in medical journals do not make you an authority on physical science. You&#039;ve had, what, a year of college physics? Do you even read the major science journals?

If the medical community reaches a consensus, for example, that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism, are you going to dismiss it out of hand, just because there are a few fringe dissenters? Or are you going to trust the professional integrity of your colleagues? Can you at least try to extend the same professional courtesy to your colleagues in geophysics and chemistry, and assume that they are the experts in their field, not you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Pedro, published articles in medical journals do not make you an authority on physical science. You&#8217;ve had, what, a year of college physics? Do you even read the major science journals?</p>
<p>If the medical community reaches a consensus, for example, that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism, are you going to dismiss it out of hand, just because there are a few fringe dissenters? Or are you going to trust the professional integrity of your colleagues? Can you at least try to extend the same professional courtesy to your colleagues in geophysics and chemistry, and assume that they are the experts in their field, not you?</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are going to call yourself a sceintist, Pedro, at least get the terminology right.

Evolution is not a fact, it is a scientific theory.

Attend:
A &quot;fact&quot; is that the acceleration due to gravity near the surface of the Earth is 9.8 m/s^2. A &quot;law&quot; is that the force of gravity between two objects is proportional to their mass and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them (Newton&#039;s Law of Universal Gravitation). Einstein&#039;s Theory of General Relativity posits that gravity is in fact the distortion of space-time by mass. It includes lots&#039;n&#039;lots of math and has many predictions which have subsequently born out. But it is still a theory, not a law, because it is not a simple relationship between two variables.

thus endeth the science lesson

Global Warming, as colloquially understood, is a phenomenon not a theory. The underlying physical principles of global warming are well understood in terms of the laws of thermodynamics. However a &quot;theory&quot; of global warming would have to be a universally applicable set of principles and rules that would model all global warming phenomena on any planet.

Does that mean that the recently issued report is bunk? Of course not. There is plenty of observational evidence (ice core data) and computer modeling (based on scores of underlying physical, chemical, and geological principles) that tell us we are going to be in a world of hurt. Published, peer reviewed articles that reflect the major scientific consensus.

And yes, scientific consensus IS part of the scientific method. There are degreed physicists out there who disagree with the theory of gravity. But the CONSENSUS, based on decades of observation, is that Einstein and Newton basically got it right. IF a suficient amount of evidence becomes available that the present theory is inadequate then the scientific CONSENSUS will CHANGE.

sheesh

sorry about the long post, but this stuff just bugs the hell out of me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to call yourself a sceintist, Pedro, at least get the terminology right.</p>
<p>Evolution is not a fact, it is a scientific theory.</p>
<p>Attend:<br />
A &#8220;fact&#8221; is that the acceleration due to gravity near the surface of the Earth is 9.8 m/s^2. A &#8220;law&#8221; is that the force of gravity between two objects is proportional to their mass and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them (Newton&#8217;s Law of Universal Gravitation). Einstein&#8217;s Theory of General Relativity posits that gravity is in fact the distortion of space-time by mass. It includes lots&#8217;n'lots of math and has many predictions which have subsequently born out. But it is still a theory, not a law, because it is not a simple relationship between two variables.</p>
<p>thus endeth the science lesson</p>
<p>Global Warming, as colloquially understood, is a phenomenon not a theory. The underlying physical principles of global warming are well understood in terms of the laws of thermodynamics. However a &#8220;theory&#8221; of global warming would have to be a universally applicable set of principles and rules that would model all global warming phenomena on any planet.</p>
<p>Does that mean that the recently issued report is bunk? Of course not. There is plenty of observational evidence (ice core data) and computer modeling (based on scores of underlying physical, chemical, and geological principles) that tell us we are going to be in a world of hurt. Published, peer reviewed articles that reflect the major scientific consensus.</p>
<p>And yes, scientific consensus IS part of the scientific method. There are degreed physicists out there who disagree with the theory of gravity. But the CONSENSUS, based on decades of observation, is that Einstein and Newton basically got it right. IF a suficient amount of evidence becomes available that the present theory is inadequate then the scientific CONSENSUS will CHANGE.</p>
<p>sheesh</p>
<p>sorry about the long post, but this stuff just bugs the hell out of me.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro prints out transcripts of these flamewars and considers them &quot;published papers&quot;.
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes I could, a quick medline search would get you my articles.  The book chapters are a little harder to find.

Simply go to.....wait a minute!  Do I really want to pestered by militant, jobless lefties where I work?

No, I don&#039;t think so...thanks anyway!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes I could, a quick medline search would get you my articles.  The book chapters are a little harder to find.</p>
<p>Simply go to&#8230;..wait a minute!  Do I really want to pestered by militant, jobless lefties where I work?</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;thanks anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: pseudoscientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>pseudoscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am impressed with you Pedro. Can you link us to your published papers and research?
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, if you were really a scientist, you wouldn&#039;t talk such complete and utter bollocks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro, if you were really a scientist, you wouldn&#8217;t talk such complete and utter bollocks.</p>
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