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	<title>Comments on: John Edwards: War Hawk?</title>
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		<title>By: nihilistic_disintegration</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85838</link>
		<dc:creator>nihilistic_disintegration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Duros. It&#039;s almost like our military was on its way to Afghanistan &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; september 11th.

Hmmm.....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Duros. It&#8217;s almost like our military was on its way to Afghanistan <i>before</i> september 11th.</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85837</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just find it interesting that Pedro was on his way to &quot;kick Afghani ass&quot; 20 minutes after the Pentagon attack, when no one else in command knew who was responsible for the attacks  at that time, or where an appropriate response was going to be.

Of course, we haven&#039;t seen the intelligence.....


for quite some time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it interesting that Pedro was on his way to &#8220;kick Afghani ass&#8221; 20 minutes after the Pentagon attack, when no one else in command knew who was responsible for the attacks  at that time, or where an appropriate response was going to be.</p>
<p>Of course, we haven&#8217;t seen the intelligence&#8230;..</p>
<p>for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85836</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took them that long to convince Bush it wasn&#039;t Iraq-time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took them that long to convince Bush it wasn&#8217;t Iraq-time.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85835</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s kind of odd, because the way I remeber 9/11, we didn&#039;t respond until, what, November?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s kind of odd, because the way I remeber 9/11, we didn&#8217;t respond until, what, November?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85834</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s summarize Pedo&#039;s posts:

1. &quot;Watching you try to twist THE EXACT SAME WORDS into completely different &quot;meanings&quot; is really entertaining.&quot; -- Lack of reading comprehension leaps to mind.

2. &quot;Of course when Tel Aviv is a smoking, radioactive hole, we will likely judge that ignoring years of chest thumping and weapons research by the iranians probably shouldn&#039;t have been ignored....&quot;  -- call to emotion.  When logic and facts fail, better try the emotional hysterics.

3.  &quot;It ain&#039;t gonna happen&quot; with Nazi germany reference, Vietnam reference, and nutjob Clinton - Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory.  Pedo demonstrates lack of historical understanding and his fervent extremism.
&quot;THAT is why people are correct when they refer to the american democrat party as &quot;america haters&quot;-- fails to understand my demonstrating how his type of emotional hysterics can be used against the US coupled with personal attack.

4. --Admits he&#039;s trying to provoke arguments coupled with personal attack.
&quot;we are different than rogue regimes, that is why we have the nucs. We have kept major peace for decades. The world doesn&#039;t actually TRUST the iranians with a nuc&quot;---Useless blathering,  continued expounding on earlier point that he completely missed, while completely failing to address rebuttal points on his failed argument tangent.
and &quot;We unfortunately will never know WHAT happened with regards to OBL and clinton. Sandy Burglar made off with the goods, and those ARE long gone. So, the leftists are free to invent a NEW history. good work guys&quot; -- in trying to defend his nutty conspiracy theory, he claims something as FACT that he earlier and in the same sentence admits is wild speculation.  Pretty much confirming NUTJOB Conspiracy theory while trying to defend against that claim.

5.  --Continues to miss point, fails to defend against rebuttal points again.
&quot;It isn&#039;t a nutty conspiracy theory when someone destroys original national security documents&quot; -- when I called this as BS, instead of providing proof of this claim he just rewords it and presents it again.  You can say it a dozen times, it just doesn&#039;t make it true.
Then he falls on to personal response to inappropriate comment I made.

6. Admits he is trying to provoke arguments again by using inflammatory language.

7 and 8. Responds to unrelevant tangent started by me.

9.  Personal attack.

10. Unrelevant.

I may not be too bright, Pedo, but at least I don&#039;t have to curse the darkness like you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s summarize Pedo&#8217;s posts:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Watching you try to twist THE EXACT SAME WORDS into completely different &#8220;meanings&#8221; is really entertaining.&#8221; &#8212; Lack of reading comprehension leaps to mind.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Of course when Tel Aviv is a smoking, radioactive hole, we will likely judge that ignoring years of chest thumping and weapons research by the iranians probably shouldn&#8217;t have been ignored&#8230;.&#8221;  &#8212; call to emotion.  When logic and facts fail, better try the emotional hysterics.</p>
<p>3.  &#8220;It ain&#8217;t gonna happen&#8221; with Nazi germany reference, Vietnam reference, and nutjob Clinton &#8211; Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory.  Pedo demonstrates lack of historical understanding and his fervent extremism.<br />
&#8220;THAT is why people are correct when they refer to the american democrat party as &#8220;america haters&#8221;&#8211; fails to understand my demonstrating how his type of emotional hysterics can be used against the US coupled with personal attack.</p>
<p>4. &#8211;Admits he&#8217;s trying to provoke arguments coupled with personal attack.<br />
&#8220;we are different than rogue regimes, that is why we have the nucs. We have kept major peace for decades. The world doesn&#8217;t actually TRUST the iranians with a nuc&#8221;&#8212;Useless blathering,  continued expounding on earlier point that he completely missed, while completely failing to address rebuttal points on his failed argument tangent.<br />
and &#8220;We unfortunately will never know WHAT happened with regards to OBL and clinton. Sandy Burglar made off with the goods, and those ARE long gone. So, the leftists are free to invent a NEW history. good work guys&#8221; &#8212; in trying to defend his nutty conspiracy theory, he claims something as FACT that he earlier and in the same sentence admits is wild speculation.  Pretty much confirming NUTJOB Conspiracy theory while trying to defend against that claim.</p>
<p>5.  &#8211;Continues to miss point, fails to defend against rebuttal points again.<br />
&#8220;It isn&#8217;t a nutty conspiracy theory when someone destroys original national security documents&#8221; &#8212; when I called this as BS, instead of providing proof of this claim he just rewords it and presents it again.  You can say it a dozen times, it just doesn&#8217;t make it true.<br />
Then he falls on to personal response to inappropriate comment I made.</p>
<p>6. Admits he is trying to provoke arguments again by using inflammatory language.</p>
<p>7 and 8. Responds to unrelevant tangent started by me.</p>
<p>9.  Personal attack.</p>
<p>10. Unrelevant.</p>
<p>I may not be too bright, Pedo, but at least I don&#8217;t have to curse the darkness like you.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85833</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There isn&#039;t any squelching dissent.  You&#039;re suggesting midderpidge of not being bright when you get banned from the blog because you imply someone is a child molester.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t any squelching dissent.  You&#8217;re suggesting midderpidge of not being bright when you get banned from the blog because you imply someone is a child molester.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85832</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahh yes, back to the old brownshirt methods of squelching dissent are we?

Ollie, say the word and I won&#039;t post another word here, the&#039;re your electrons, bought and paid for...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahh yes, back to the old brownshirt methods of squelching dissent are we?</p>
<p>Ollie, say the word and I won&#8217;t post another word here, the&#8217;re your electrons, bought and paid for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85831</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 03:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name the last time midderpidge was banned from OW&#039;s blog.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name the last time midderpidge was banned from OW&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85830</link>
		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>piddge you ain&#039;t that bright are you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>piddge you ain&#8217;t that bright are you?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85829</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why that was a faster response than the president!  Let&#039;s see, aware of it, read kiddy book for a few minutes, go outside, hold photo op for 45 minutes, run to Nebraska.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why that was a faster response than the president!  Let&#8217;s see, aware of it, read kiddy book for a few minutes, go outside, hold photo op for 45 minutes, run to Nebraska.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85828</link>
		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the fence:  Armed and patrolling the fence line of our base

20 minutes from the pentagon hit....give or take 10 minutes....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the fence:  Armed and patrolling the fence line of our base</p>
<p>20 minutes from the pentagon hit&#8230;.give or take 10 minutes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nihilistic_disintegration</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85827</link>
		<dc:creator>nihilistic_disintegration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro,

I am skeptical by nature and obtuse by necessity.

Is &quot;on the fence&quot; a military term? Does it mean waiting at the border?

Also, 20 minutes from when? from when the first plane hit? The second? From when Building 7 came down? Just curious.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro,</p>
<p>I am skeptical by nature and obtuse by necessity.</p>
<p>Is &#8220;on the fence&#8221; a military term? Does it mean waiting at the border?</p>
<p>Also, 20 minutes from when? from when the first plane hit? The second? From when Building 7 came down? Just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85826</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that his wisdom and that of his administration could ever be the slightest bit flawed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that his wisdom and that of his administration could ever be the slightest bit flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85825</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and post-invasion planning.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and post-invasion planning.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85824</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only option Bush ever takes off the table is effective diplomacy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only option Bush ever takes off the table is effective diplomacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85823</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Scott, if this is how the debate is going to go for the next two years, I&#039;m bailing out now.

To say that an American president shouldn&#039;t take any options off the table is just plain, old negotiating strategy. You know, walking softly with big sticks and all that.

Negotiating strategy is never pursued in a vaccuum. It happens within a context and is married to morality and political reality. To take a single phrase out of an interview and call it definitive of a man&#039;s character is just loony.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Scott, if this is how the debate is going to go for the next two years, I&#8217;m bailing out now.</p>
<p>To say that an American president shouldn&#8217;t take any options off the table is just plain, old negotiating strategy. You know, walking softly with big sticks and all that.</p>
<p>Negotiating strategy is never pursued in a vaccuum. It happens within a context and is married to morality and political reality. To take a single phrase out of an interview and call it definitive of a man&#8217;s character is just loony.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85822</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Pidge, and you see how easy and unoffensive it is for me to answer those questions?

ND the  US military is always forward deployed.  9/11 occurred in the evening where I was, and our Marines were armed and on the fence in about 20 minutes.

But you were just being obtuse right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Pidge, and you see how easy and unoffensive it is for me to answer those questions?</p>
<p>ND the  US military is always forward deployed.  9/11 occurred in the evening where I was, and our Marines were armed and on the fence in about 20 minutes.</p>
<p>But you were just being obtuse right?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85821</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Pedo, after rereading what I wrote, I do owe you an apology.  Those should have been questions like &quot;Were you hiding behind children like President Bush?&quot;  Instead of the personally accusational &quot;you were probably hiding behind children like the president.&quot;  I am sorry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Pedo, after rereading what I wrote, I do owe you an apology.  Those should have been questions like &#8220;Were you hiding behind children like President Bush?&#8221;  Instead of the personally accusational &#8220;you were probably hiding behind children like the president.&#8221;  I am sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: nihilistic_disintegration</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85820</link>
		<dc:creator>nihilistic_disintegration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro:

&quot;When 9/11 happened I was forward deployed with the US Navy piddgy widdgy....readying the 6th Fleet to deploy to Afghanistan...&quot;

So you were already preparing to deploy on the morning of 9/11? If Operation Enduring Freedom was our response to the attacks, how could you have been preparing for it &lt;i&gt;while the attacks were happening&lt;/i&gt;?

If you were forward deployed &lt;i&gt;on&lt;/i&gt; September 11, 2001, that must mean that the invasion of Afghanistan was planned for, prepared for, and underway before the attacks of 9/11.

Seems odd we would begin responding militarily to an attack that hadn&#039;t yet happened.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro:</p>
<p>&#8220;When 9/11 happened I was forward deployed with the US Navy piddgy widdgy&#8230;.readying the 6th Fleet to deploy to Afghanistan&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So you were already preparing to deploy on the morning of 9/11? If Operation Enduring Freedom was our response to the attacks, how could you have been preparing for it <i>while the attacks were happening</i>?</p>
<p>If you were forward deployed <i>on</i> September 11, 2001, that must mean that the invasion of Afghanistan was planned for, prepared for, and underway before the attacks of 9/11.</p>
<p>Seems odd we would begin responding militarily to an attack that hadn&#8217;t yet happened.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/03/john-edwards-war-hawk/#comment-85819</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I don&#039;t recall Iraq being that big of a problem, nor do I recall the world running to the US to protect them from a toothless Saddam Hussein.

So much for those fact based arguments you&#039;ve been touting.  There is no proof that Berger destroyed any original documents.  The ones he removed were copies dealing with after-action reviews of the foiled millenium bomb plots.  So yes, it is a nutty conspiracy theory.

So, you are claiming you weren&#039;t hiding behind children with the president, well good for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I don&#8217;t recall Iraq being that big of a problem, nor do I recall the world running to the US to protect them from a toothless Saddam Hussein.</p>
<p>So much for those fact based arguments you&#8217;ve been touting.  There is no proof that Berger destroyed any original documents.  The ones he removed were copies dealing with after-action reviews of the foiled millenium bomb plots.  So yes, it is a nutty conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>So, you are claiming you weren&#8217;t hiding behind children with the president, well good for you.</p>
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