Always classy.
I’ve wondered how I would react if we tried Murtha and Kerry for treason and hanged them. I’d be satisfied to say the least.
She has been freed of this Earth, and we have been freed of her.
She knows who’s right now.
Does this mean I can go to the Orange Bowl now?
Molly Irvins officially determined to be “In the Past”.
Now you know, Molly. Now you know.
Prayers for a death bed conversion.
…with a smerk on her face, most likely.
I, for one, will not be missing her. Sorry.
I also say RIP. I do hope she found God before she died and asked him to forgive the bitter hate she carried against our beloved President.
RIP you Al-Queda lover liberal.
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Molly Ivins Has Died
The Loyal Opposition
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May those that love us, love us.
And those that don’t love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if He doesn’t turn their hearts,
May He turn their ankles
So we will know them by their limping.
~Irish Blessing
If anyone says anything like this garbage in my presence they most certainly will loose a few teeth, real quick.
Here’s another take:
After Ann Richards, we’ve lost another Texas gem. Yet Bush, DeLay and Perry are allowed to go on, proving not of God’s existence but of the devil’s.
See Molly Ivins at her satirical best in a video called “The Dildo Diaries”…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
These hateful brainless twits have no heart or soul. They are less than human. How can they say things like this and look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night knowing how horrible and callous they are.
RIP Molly. Their hate should be seen as a posthumous badge of honor for her. If she hadn’t been such a threat to them and their insane ideologies her passing wouldn’t be a cause for them to gloat.
In the Elizabeth Moon SF novel Rules of Engagement, in a future Earth, multiple nations are patterned on Texas. One of the non-Texas nations wants a historian to do research about their new enemy, the “New Texas Godfearing Militia”, for them, and as a bribe they offer her the collected works of Molly Ivins, as a classic lost reference on ancient Texas and its people. Always thought that was a cool reference.
Now I shall have to dig out my DV tape of the “Down Home Democracy Tour” from Austin 4 or 5 years ago where she and Michael Moore spoke and burn a DVD of it, to take over to some friends I am meeting tomorrow night.
The hatred and spite that exists in the heart of every right-winger should cease to amaze by now but….
So because people at Democratic Underground say bad things about the late Reagan, that automatically makes it ok for you guys too?
Such a strong moral compass, tyfoc!
/Stop spamming the board, by the way.
I don’t think that was T’s point, Sundown. But I think you knew that. Oliver is quick to condemn the idiots who write such things about Molly Ivins (and rightfully so,) yet would stay silent about the left’s own version of disrepect at death- and throw in a few insults of his own, upon President Reagan”s death.
But as I often say, each side has its idiots.
And FYI- just so you don’t twist my words, the “rightfully so” refers to the fact that I too condemn the few freepers that Oliver points out. Regardless of my complete opposition to Ivin’s opinions, there is no reason to be disrespetful upon her death. May she rest in peace.
For the record, Marty, though I know you’ll accuse me of it a month from now, I simply noted Reagan’s passing. I hated the guy but I didn’t say anything about him when he died.
As promised above, I just posted a new video to Youtube of Molly Ivins’ address to the “Rolling Thunder Down Home Democracy Tour”, hosted by Jim Hightower, in Austin TX on March 23, 2002. (There were many other great speakers including former employees/victims of the then recent Enron collapse, as well as Michael Moore). I’ve had this video on the shelf for several years but decided to capture and post it now in tribute, since Molly passed away earlier today due to breast cancer at the too young age of 62. Please excuse the shaky video, as I was standing in a crowd and holding my camcorder over my head for parts of it!
Warning: a few somewhat naughty words!
Ah, the refreshing right wing efforts at false equivalency are always fun to read.
Ivins was a columnist and political commentator/humorist.
Reagan was president and his policies affected millions in this country and abroad and often not for the better.
One is a private citizen, the other, a public official.
One is attacked for her words, the other for his actions.
I’m not condoning people dancing on Reagan’s grave, but comparing his passing, with all the attendant historical revisionism in the press and attempts to paint him as one of our greatest presidents (an opinion I obviously don’t share), to that of a liberal political humorist is pretty weak.
I wouldn’t waste energy dancing on Reagan’s grave, but I sure wouldn’t mind spitting on it as I walked by. To admire Reagan is to admire mass murder. If Dem Underground pointed out some of his atrocities, then it was a tiny peep up against the corporate media lovefest that lasted the better part of a week (at least).
Fuck Reagan. R.I.P. Molly Ivins.
I look at Free Republic every so often when big things happen, but I can’t stay too long or I start to vomit blood.
To be fair, lets say Ann Coulter died tomorrow in a car accident. I’m sure you’ll see all sorts of mean things said about her on left-leaning sites.
The difference is, Ann Coulter is a demon in human flesh. She spreads lies, misery and intellectual-death wherever she goes. THAT’S what liberals don’t like about her. While “celebrating” her death would be wront, you could never say it’s all-together unwarranted.
Molly Ivins was a truth-teller. A true patriot that tried to BETTER her world and the people in it. THAT’S what right-wingers hate about her. She believed in truth, justice for ALL, equality and love for her fellow citizens. All concepts that make right-wingers cringe.
So there is no equivalency.
Wow, Starkly- Feel the Hate!
Nice try, but if David Brooks or Bill Bennett or Herb Cain died tomorrow, you’d have some DU’er acting like fools writing something hateful before they were buried. Just like if Randi Rhodes, Mo Dowd, or Thomas Friedman died, some knucklehead freepers would put out more crap like above.
The “equivalency” is that there are idiots on both sides. (I mean, look at Church Secretary’s hateful statement. How about Stalin, CS. Would you spit on Stalin’s grave? Probably not. I’m sure you thought Reagan was worse. How about Truman, CS? Is Truman a mass murderer? Would you spit on his grave too?)
Molly Ivins was a great columnist and strong advocate for her liberal views. No more and no less than any other columnist, liberal or conservative. She deserves the benefit of respect in her passing.
“For the record, Marty, though I know you’ll accuse me of it a month from now, I simply noted Reagan’s passing. I hated the guy but I didn’t say anything about him when he died.”
Wow- I just caught this, Oliver. You hated President Reagan?
Think about that. You were only what- 9 or 10 years old when he left office, and yet you “hated” him. And you had no idea what living in the country was like in the years preceding him. You didn’t experience the Carter, Ford, Nixon, or Johnson years, but you knew you “hated” Reagan.
At 9 or 10 years old (and younger,) you “hated” the President of the United States.
Fascinating.
We don’t judge the right on the Free Republic, don’t judge the “left” on the Democratic Underground.
Of course, then you whine about how Church Secretary obviously thinks Reagan is worse than Stalin. If you’re going to throw a tantrum like that when people diss your precious Gipper, who cares what you think?
He didn’t experience the 70s, but he did experience the late 80s and 90s and Reagan’s legacy, which when judging his presidency is probably more important to know than OMGCARTERLOL.
I never liked him when he was in office, and I was five in 1988. No idea what that says.
Any discussion of Reagan’s merits and demerits should be between himself and the Salvadorans he had murdered. It’s really not our business. The consolation is, I’m sure they’re having a long, intense conversation about it right now.
Sort of like how Bush is in for an extended discussion with at least a half-million (and climbing!) Iraqi souls when his time is up.
While we’re on the subject, what the hell does “Gipper” even mean?
When you are born, you cry and the world is happy.
When you die, the world cries and you are happy.
Yeah, Nimrod. Reagan’s legacy of the late 80’s and 90’s. Hmmm- a country that was in an economic “malaise” turned around dramatically, that led to an economic boom of the late 80’s and 90’s (thanks to relief from business crushing tax rates and soaring revenues thanks to the corresponding economic growth.) Sure there was serious deficit spending, but so too in the 30’s under FDR.
And the little fact that the Soviet Union crumbled (whether you give Reagan credit or not) that gave us the so-called “peace dividend” of the 90’s.
Yep- a country that was in the duldrums (Due to the four Presidents I mentioned- not just Carter) became powerful proud and vibrant again. Regardless of whether you liked everything he did, the change in the attitude of the country is Reagan’s legacy.
And the “Gipper” thing- one of Reagan’s movie characters. Look it up.
And uh- Doc? Half a million Iraqis? By whose count, and who’s killing them? (And continuing to kill them?)
I don’t remember the early nineties being particularly powerful, proud and vibrant. I remember a recession and a whole societal layer of despair that was so separate from the successful middle and upper classes that they’re still not always counted in these nostalgia trips.
And sue me for not having heard of Knute Rockne All American.
You mean there are nutjobs on BOTH sides of the political aisle? Bestill my beating heart.
BTW, prayers to Ivins’ loved ones for their loss.
Iraqis are killing each other, due to the situation Bush has unleashed there. Esitmates vary, but the recent Johns Hopkins report is the best guess of national deaths as a result of Bush’s decision. Iraq body count doesn’t even try, sadly, though they claim to.
“Yep- a country that was in the duldrums (Due to the four Presidents I mentioned- not just Carter) became powerful proud and vibrant again.”
Which country? Nicaragua? El Salvador? Guatemala?
Hah!
Wingnuts. Too stupid to breathe.
I don’t have to live through a presidency to hate the guy or like him. I hate Hoover and Nixon too, and I think FDR was the best.
And sue me for not having heard of Knute Rockne All American.
You’re not missing anything.
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Look, I don’t like moral equivocations. It’s just wrong to celebrate a person’s death, especially one in which a person battled a horrible sickness like cancer. It doesn’t matter one bit if people said nasty things about Ronald Reagan. For the first time, I am seeing up close what cancer does to a person (my father in law) and it is not something I would wish on anybody.
Molly Ivins spoke truth to power. Her sin to the right was that she aptly pointed out time and again that the true elitists trying to snuff out the potential greatness of our nation were not liberals.
Geesh Marty, Reagan’s building up of the MIC put is in debt so far that we’ll never get out. The Clinton years demonstrated how out country flourishes when we don’t overfeed the military beast.
Ask yourself a single question about those horrid Carter years - who controlled oil prices and who controlled interest rates at the time? Hint, it wasn’t a peanut farmer from Georgia.
So Marty, where is the peace dividend now? War without end, a near doubling of the national debt in 6 short years, and no end in sight.
The Clinton years demonstrated how out country flourishes when we don’t overfeed the military beast.
Oh please. Enough with the revisionist history. The deficit went down during “the Clinton years” because of an economic windfall thanks to the dot-com bubble. It was record tax receipts thanks to record employment (companies like Govworks.com started with 8 people and had as many as 250 people working for them before they went under. And it all took just about 2 years to happen) thanks to a business model that everybody and their grandmother bought into.
Spending was held in check because the GOP Congress didn’t give Clinton all the money he requested, which goes to show the benefit of divided government more than anything.
Well Jay, you seem to do apretty good job of revisionism yourself.
The size of government shrunk during the Clinton years. By working with the GOP Congress he took millions of tax takers (welfare recipients) and turned them to tax makers (employed, tax paying citizens). Of course he had to veto the first 2 versions before he got one that he thought would work.
The dot.com bubble and its bursting leads directly back to the Reagan years of deregulation. Levitt and Clinton tried to infuse some sanity into the system but were rebuffed by the same Congress you extol.
You are right that many bought into the system - it is called optimism, a factor that many economists would argue is a major part of any good economy. Little did the optimists know that they were speculators being led down a shyster’s path.
People like Terry McAiliff and Bush’s father who knew enough to cash out at the top paid a bit of those high tax revenues you mention. No worry though, they had plenty left over after they sent Uncle Sam his meager 20% cut.
“My president made it great again and your president ruined America!”
“No, my president made it great again, and your president ruined America!”
Irvins, smerk, Queda…
SIGH.
RIP, Molly Ivins. I’m sure your heaven is full a good spellers and truthiness.
Screw what the Freepers think anyway. This is the same class of people who wet their pants over the Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
Funniest thing ever, until the Mayor actually said he’d arrest the 27 year old animator “responsible”.
Imagine if bush died. Remember when reagin died? Classlessness on both sides. Hypocrisy on your head.
Uh, Chum- what exactly did you write that in that last bit that contradicts what Jay wrote before that?
Except for the Levitt thing (which is a laugher- Look up Levitt and Enron.) you pretty much agree.
And Nimrod- Our country is great no matter who is President.
It is the spirit of America that makes it great. We can all disagree till the cows come home, but I’d still throw down a pint with anyone in this discussion!
Yeah, Marty, ditto!
now where can I get one of those Aqua Teen “devices?”
I can hardly wrap my brain around the idea that Molly Ivins is dead. Just like a hot cup of coffee, I needed Molly Ivins (along with Mike Luckovich) to get my day started on the right foot. Although I never met her, to me she was a valued friend who articulated the views I held, and continue to hold, with stunning clarity, acerbic wit, and undeniable truth. Her columns will be sorely missed, not just by liberals and progressives, but by all patriots who sincerely care about America, its citizens, and its stature in the global community.
We must push forcefully for a timely withdrawal of our troops from Iraq. We must stop the Bush administration from terrorizing Iran and from escalating this senseless war. In the memory of Molly Ivins, we must halt brutality, torture, and violence against Iraqis and other people who are completely blameless.
R.I.P. Molly. We love you.
One is know by the quality of one’s enemies. Molly was one of the best.
Let’s end the silly revisionist crap. Clinton’s policies made the economy good, his restraint was designed to lower the deficit and pay down the national debt. RepubliConTarians borrow and spend like they are the most privileged on the planet. All you have to do is remember the out-of-control spending and borrowing during the Reagan/Bush years and now the insane economic policies of the current resident.
I did find one classy comment among the Freepers.
“Comment #39 Removed by Moderator”
I wonder what the hell you’d need to say in that thread to have your post removed.
Probably “I liked Molly Ivins”.
Re: Reagan–
I had no love for the Southern Strategizing son-of-a-bitch… but he at least tried to do his best by our country, by his own lights. After the Beirut fiasco, he had the sense to have our boys ‘n’ girls pack up and go home!
That dumb son-of-a-bitch (and I use that term both literally and advisedly) currently shitting on the Oval Office? Not nearly so much.
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Nimrod
I saw that too. quite a few of them, in fact.
I was trying to figure out what someone would have to say in order to get comments removed from LGF.
Either so batshit crazy that it scares even the mnoderators, or, and I think this is more likely, liberal and/or opposing viewpoints.