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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86125</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe peed will overstep the boundaries again and accuse you of being a child molester while you&#039;re waiting to grow up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe peed will overstep the boundaries again and accuse you of being a child molester while you&#8217;re waiting to grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86124</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do me a favor and be more smug and condescending about matters that you obviously have no perspective on.  &quot;Grownups.&quot;  I&#039;m well aware of how far $180 thousand/year can go, regardless of locale.  Why?  Because I&#039;m not an idiotic dick.

You, on the other hand...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do me a favor and be more smug and condescending about matters that you obviously have no perspective on.  &#8220;Grownups.&#8221;  I&#8217;m well aware of how far $180 thousand/year can go, regardless of locale.  Why?  Because I&#8217;m not an idiotic dick.</p>
<p>You, on the other hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86123</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;when you grow up you will better understand why grownups do the things they do...&lt;/i&gt;

I can&#039;t wait to understand why a consertative grownup would spend all day and all night monitoring a liberal weblog looking for discouraging words.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>when you grow up you will better understand why grownups do the things they do&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to understand why a consertative grownup would spend all day and all night monitoring a liberal weblog looking for discouraging words.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86122</link>
		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said...when you grow up you will better understand why grownups do the things they do...or you won&#039;t, and you will forced to live on the meager outlay of the social security check.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said&#8230;when you grow up you will better understand why grownups do the things they do&#8230;or you won&#8217;t, and you will forced to live on the meager outlay of the social security check.</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86121</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, pedro, I&#039;m sure that living in Connecticut would completely deplete their retirement funds such that they would be living from Social Security check to Social Security check.  In retirement, they might have to subsist on roaches and mice caught in the gluetraps around their crumbling, weathered shack without plumbing.  They might have to collect rainwater to drink.  Who knows?  Living in Connecticut is quite the tax and cost-of-living burden!

Getting back to the original point of this thread, your statements clearly indicate that you&#039;re well out of touch with the average American.  Maybe Oliver&#039;s right, maybe conservatives are more likely, by their very nature, to be utterly fucking clueless when it comes to an average American&#039;s financial situation.

Oh, and I&#039;ll reiterate... you&#039;re an idiot, Pedro.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, pedro, I&#8217;m sure that living in Connecticut would completely deplete their retirement funds such that they would be living from Social Security check to Social Security check.  In retirement, they might have to subsist on roaches and mice caught in the gluetraps around their crumbling, weathered shack without plumbing.  They might have to collect rainwater to drink.  Who knows?  Living in Connecticut is quite the tax and cost-of-living burden!</p>
<p>Getting back to the original point of this thread, your statements clearly indicate that you&#8217;re well out of touch with the average American.  Maybe Oliver&#8217;s right, maybe conservatives are more likely, by their very nature, to be utterly fucking clueless when it comes to an average American&#8217;s financial situation.</p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;ll reiterate&#8230; you&#8217;re an idiot, Pedro.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86120</link>
		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know mambo, maybe the folks want to be able to support themselves in retirement?

maybe they didn&#039;t want to live in a 3/4s of a million dollar box like you would in LA (I know, I lived in one).

You can &quot;get by&quot; living in a treehouse and drinking water out of the gutter.

When you actually start earning money, supporting a family and thinking about your future (i.e., grow up...)I suspect you will begin to understand the wisdom in their actions....

Or maybe not, I have little hope in the maturity of most leftists...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know mambo, maybe the folks want to be able to support themselves in retirement?</p>
<p>maybe they didn&#8217;t want to live in a 3/4s of a million dollar box like you would in LA (I know, I lived in one).</p>
<p>You can &#8220;get by&#8221; living in a treehouse and drinking water out of the gutter.</p>
<p>When you actually start earning money, supporting a family and thinking about your future (i.e., grow up&#8230;)I suspect you will begin to understand the wisdom in their actions&#8230;.</p>
<p>Or maybe not, I have little hope in the maturity of most leftists&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86119</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro,

Congratulations on maintaining your status as this blog&#039;s most idiotic troll.  Yes, $180,000/yr isn&#039;t enough to live comfortably in Connecticut.  We had a 5-bedroom house in Kansas with that money... but in Conn, surely they&#039;d be living on the streets.  Maybe they&#039;d get lucky and find a studio apartment somewhere in the ghetto of Connecticut.

Are you serious?  &quot;We can&#039;t afford to live in Connecticut&quot;?  Damn, Pedro, you lack perspective.

I make less than $20,000/yr here in L.A., not a cheap place to live, as a grad student, and I get by.  I eat, I have a roof over my head, and I have cable.  Nine times that much in Connecticut?  Cardboard-box city.  Make that an n of 2, now, with Pedro on board.

And I don&#039;t know what the fuck  you&#039;re talking about with personal/fiscal responsibility and liberals.  Your beloved GW has been the picture of personal responsibility his whole life, hasn&#039;t he?  Oh, and the conservatives in power the last 6 years have been VERY fiscally-responsible, right?  It&#039;s not as though we&#039;ve sunk into massive deficits or anything since the end of the Clinton presidency.

Goddamn, Pedro, you&#039;re a complete imbecile.  Get a clue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro,</p>
<p>Congratulations on maintaining your status as this blog&#8217;s most idiotic troll.  Yes, $180,000/yr isn&#8217;t enough to live comfortably in Connecticut.  We had a 5-bedroom house in Kansas with that money&#8230; but in Conn, surely they&#8217;d be living on the streets.  Maybe they&#8217;d get lucky and find a studio apartment somewhere in the ghetto of Connecticut.</p>
<p>Are you serious?  &#8220;We can&#8217;t afford to live in Connecticut&#8221;?  Damn, Pedro, you lack perspective.</p>
<p>I make less than $20,000/yr here in L.A., not a cheap place to live, as a grad student, and I get by.  I eat, I have a roof over my head, and I have cable.  Nine times that much in Connecticut?  Cardboard-box city.  Make that an n of 2, now, with Pedro on board.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know what the fuck  you&#8217;re talking about with personal/fiscal responsibility and liberals.  Your beloved GW has been the picture of personal responsibility his whole life, hasn&#8217;t he?  Oh, and the conservatives in power the last 6 years have been VERY fiscally-responsible, right?  It&#8217;s not as though we&#8217;ve sunk into massive deficits or anything since the end of the Clinton presidency.</p>
<p>Goddamn, Pedro, you&#8217;re a complete imbecile.  Get a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86118</link>
		<dc:creator>pedromd07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why was that exactly?

Because they didn&#039;t want to take a step down in lifestyle/savings rate/retirement savings to move to connecticut?

Some might call that fiscal responsibility.

Of course, the liberals are always railing against personal responsibility.  You know, republicans are bad people because they suggest that maybe you can financial SUPPORT  a kid(s) before you start delivering them at age 16...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why was that exactly?</p>
<p>Because they didn&#8217;t want to take a step down in lifestyle/savings rate/retirement savings to move to connecticut?</p>
<p>Some might call that fiscal responsibility.</p>
<p>Of course, the liberals are always railing against personal responsibility.  You know, republicans are bad people because they suggest that maybe you can financial SUPPORT  a kid(s) before you start delivering them at age 16&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86117</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick story: My father, a couple years ago, thought it was likely that his job was going to be terminated, so he went on the job hunt.  He&#039;s in human resources, is a conservative Republican, and at the time was making appx $180,000/yr.

He was offered a job in Connecticut with a very slight raise (not sure how much).  He promptly turned it down because, as both he and my mother told me, &quot;We can&#039;t afford to live in Connecticut.&quot;

Now that, friends, is embarrassingly delusional thinking.  I told them they were out of their minds.

Yes, we&#039;re talking about an n of 1, a personal experience of mine, so this could just be an aberration in conservative thought.  But maybe it&#039;s not.  If not, then cons are even more fucked in the head than I could possibly conceive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick story: My father, a couple years ago, thought it was likely that his job was going to be terminated, so he went on the job hunt.  He&#8217;s in human resources, is a conservative Republican, and at the time was making appx $180,000/yr.</p>
<p>He was offered a job in Connecticut with a very slight raise (not sure how much).  He promptly turned it down because, as both he and my mother told me, &#8220;We can&#8217;t afford to live in Connecticut.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that, friends, is embarrassingly delusional thinking.  I told them they were out of their minds.</p>
<p>Yes, we&#8217;re talking about an n of 1, a personal experience of mine, so this could just be an aberration in conservative thought.  But maybe it&#8217;s not.  If not, then cons are even more fucked in the head than I could possibly conceive.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86116</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Edwards: Rich as stink taking money from deformed babies.&lt;/i&gt;

Deformed babies have money? Jesus, Pedro...

&lt;i&gt;why can&#039;t the rich man catch a break in this country?&lt;/i&gt;

worked for O.J.
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<p>Deformed babies have money? Jesus, Pedro&#8230;</p>
<p><i>why can&#8217;t the rich man catch a break in this country?</i></p>
<p>worked for O.J.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86115</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re rich, you&#039;re probably not toiling anymore.

Though if you are, good on you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re rich, you&#8217;re probably not toiling anymore.</p>
<p>Though if you are, good on you.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro&#039;s right - why can&#039;t the rich man catch a break in this country?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro&#8217;s right &#8211; why can&#8217;t the rich man catch a break in this country?</p>
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		<title>By: pedromd07</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86113</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the really big point here is that the democrat party is interested in class warfare, rather than uniting the country.

Rich people are just one form of low hanging fruit for the leftists ire.  Rich people contribute more to the well-being of this country, on the whole, yet it is so easy for the liberals to point fingers at them, as if their toil is somehow worth less, or that they are not deserving of the same rights as the rest of america.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the really big point here is that the democrat party is interested in class warfare, rather than uniting the country.</p>
<p>Rich people are just one form of low hanging fruit for the leftists ire.  Rich people contribute more to the well-being of this country, on the whole, yet it is so easy for the liberals to point fingers at them, as if their toil is somehow worth less, or that they are not deserving of the same rights as the rest of america.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, $110,000 a year is rich. Why is those so hard for you guys to comprehend? Regardless of whether its SF/NY/LA/DC it&#039;s a lot more money than the vast majority of people make. Maybe you&#039;re all trying to assuage some kind of guilt by pretending that it&#039;s not, but it is. And Jay, I didn&#039;t say the money made you a Rockefeller, but it&#039;s not scraping by either.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, $110,000 a year is rich. Why is those so hard for you guys to comprehend? Regardless of whether its SF/NY/LA/DC it&#8217;s a lot more money than the vast majority of people make. Maybe you&#8217;re all trying to assuage some kind of guilt by pretending that it&#8217;s not, but it is. And Jay, I didn&#8217;t say the money made you a Rockefeller, but it&#8217;s not scraping by either.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question for you Oliver- is a person who lives in San Francisco or New York City, or Boston, or D.C. making $110,000 a year rich? (Sure- someone making that kind of money in North Platte, Nebraska might be considered rich.) How about a person who has worked for 20 years, who is now finally making $110,000 a year but has two kids in college, a third in high school and a mortgage, and finds out their spouse has cancer? Are they still rich?

(The point is, &quot;rich&quot; is in the eye of the beholder. A floor trader at the NYSE might make $50,000 to $100,000 a year living in or near one of the most expensive places to live in the country.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question for you Oliver- is a person who lives in San Francisco or New York City, or Boston, or D.C. making $110,000 a year rich? (Sure- someone making that kind of money in North Platte, Nebraska might be considered rich.) How about a person who has worked for 20 years, who is now finally making $110,000 a year but has two kids in college, a third in high school and a mortgage, and finds out their spouse has cancer? Are they still rich?</p>
<p>(The point is, &#8220;rich&#8221; is in the eye of the beholder. A floor trader at the NYSE might make $50,000 to $100,000 a year living in or near one of the most expensive places to live in the country.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That&#039;s exactly my point. Anyone applauding Bush and with such a lofty position has nothing in common with the average guy.&lt;/i&gt;

No, that is what you &lt;i&gt;assume&lt;/i&gt; and unfortunately, it is a piss-poor assumption.

And let me tell you something Oliver. Earning what I do is nice. But you know what? Providing for a family of four along with the expenses that come with it - taxes, mortgage payments, credit card payments, utility bills, food bills, clothing bills, health care bills etc., eat into that. Just because somebody makes $70K a year, doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re flush with cash.

You need to think a little more about this stuff before you write it. At least you admitted that what truly bothered you was somebody applauding the President.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That&#8217;s exactly my point. Anyone applauding Bush and with such a lofty position has nothing in common with the average guy.</i></p>
<p>No, that is what you <i>assume</i> and unfortunately, it is a piss-poor assumption.</p>
<p>And let me tell you something Oliver. Earning what I do is nice. But you know what? Providing for a family of four along with the expenses that come with it &#8211; taxes, mortgage payments, credit card payments, utility bills, food bills, clothing bills, health care bills etc., eat into that. Just because somebody makes $70K a year, doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re flush with cash.</p>
<p>You need to think a little more about this stuff before you write it. At least you admitted that what truly bothered you was somebody applauding the President.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/31/do-conservatives-know-average-people/#comment-86109</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, do some reading for the love of God.
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly my point. Anyone applauding Bush and with such a lofty position has nothing in common with the average guy.
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