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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55238</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, Obama&#039;s &lt;i&gt;black?&lt;/i&gt;
I hadn&#039;t noticed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, Obama&#8217;s <i>black?</i><br />
I hadn&#8217;t noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55237</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a very cool program.  Thanks for the link.  Looks like I am wrong, especially if they are using genetics.  Kind of hard to argue against dna.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a very cool program.  Thanks for the link.  Looks like I am wrong, especially if they are using genetics.  Kind of hard to argue against dna.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55236</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/previews/africanamericanlives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here it is.&lt;/a&gt; That&#039;s the &quot;African American Lives&quot; show that talked about DNA research and genealogy of black Americans.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/previews/africanamericanlives/" rel="nofollow">Here it is.</a> That&#8217;s the &#8220;African American Lives&#8221; show that talked about DNA research and genealogy of black Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55235</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I believe that you are wrong about the &quot;practically every person&quot; bit.&lt;/em&gt;

There was a really good show on PBS a while back that explored the question in detail. That&#039;s my source. If I&#039;m wrong, I misunderstood what they said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I believe that you are wrong about the &#8220;practically every person&#8221; bit.</em></p>
<p>There was a really good show on PBS a while back that explored the question in detail. That&#8217;s my source. If I&#8217;m wrong, I misunderstood what they said.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55234</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course not, QB.  I simply find it telling that, even for as far as we&#039;ve come, that folks are still instantly labeled black who are actually biracial.  I&#039;m not talking about someone who had a white great great great grandpa and has never met their white family, but someone who is actually half, or sometimes even less, of African descent, and has spent a great deal of time with both sides of the family.

For example (though it be a poor one, maybe it will help me explain), I am both German and Scots Irish.  Those are my primary bloodlines.  There is some Indian and Swiss in there, but that&#039;s a long ways back.  I have no problem saying that I am German and Scots Irish, and I don&#039;t think folks would start calling me a German all the time just because I said that I was, especially when it is known that I am both German and Scots Irish.  They would probably say that I was German and Scots Irish.  Because we are still so fixated on black/white polarization in this country, however, a person who is both black and white is instantly identified as black, period.

Whether he publicly identifies himself as black is his choice (maybe I was getting a glass of water everytime he identified himself as black, but ok).  The public, however, always identifies him as black, no problem, it comes so naturally.  I don&#039;t think the media was checking to make sure he identified himself as such before saying he was a black senator.

Of course, he grew up in a time where he probably felt significantly more discrimination than kids today.  I believe there will be less and less over time.  Part of that change will hopefully be that someone who is biracial won&#039;t simply be identified as black, because I think that some people define biracials as black only, as though they want to say that the person no longer belongs with their European folks.  This is a continuation of the disregard that Rhein described in his post early on.

Also, I have no data to back this up, but I believe that you are wrong about the &quot;practically every person&quot; bit.  There are lots of black Americans with Indian or European blood somewhere wayyyy back there, just as there are plenty of white Americans with Indian blood, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the majority that you make it out to be.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course not, QB.  I simply find it telling that, even for as far as we&#8217;ve come, that folks are still instantly labeled black who are actually biracial.  I&#8217;m not talking about someone who had a white great great great grandpa and has never met their white family, but someone who is actually half, or sometimes even less, of African descent, and has spent a great deal of time with both sides of the family.</p>
<p>For example (though it be a poor one, maybe it will help me explain), I am both German and Scots Irish.  Those are my primary bloodlines.  There is some Indian and Swiss in there, but that&#8217;s a long ways back.  I have no problem saying that I am German and Scots Irish, and I don&#8217;t think folks would start calling me a German all the time just because I said that I was, especially when it is known that I am both German and Scots Irish.  They would probably say that I was German and Scots Irish.  Because we are still so fixated on black/white polarization in this country, however, a person who is both black and white is instantly identified as black, period.</p>
<p>Whether he publicly identifies himself as black is his choice (maybe I was getting a glass of water everytime he identified himself as black, but ok).  The public, however, always identifies him as black, no problem, it comes so naturally.  I don&#8217;t think the media was checking to make sure he identified himself as such before saying he was a black senator.</p>
<p>Of course, he grew up in a time where he probably felt significantly more discrimination than kids today.  I believe there will be less and less over time.  Part of that change will hopefully be that someone who is biracial won&#8217;t simply be identified as black, because I think that some people define biracials as black only, as though they want to say that the person no longer belongs with their European folks.  This is a continuation of the disregard that Rhein described in his post early on.</p>
<p>Also, I have no data to back this up, but I believe that you are wrong about the &#8220;practically every person&#8221; bit.  There are lots of black Americans with Indian or European blood somewhere wayyyy back there, just as there are plenty of white Americans with Indian blood, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the majority that you make it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55233</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;No, but someone who is clearly biracial is defined by all as black, everytime. Why?&lt;/em&gt;

Um, because he identifies &lt;em&gt;himself&lt;/em&gt; as black?

Back up and read the thread again, Shane. Practically &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; person who identifies as black is actually multi-racial. Would you choose to define away &quot;blackness&quot; as a result of that?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>No, but someone who is clearly biracial is defined by all as black, everytime. Why?</em></p>
<p>Um, because he identifies <em>himself</em> as black?</p>
<p>Back up and read the thread again, Shane. Practically <em>every</em> person who identifies as black is actually multi-racial. Would you choose to define away &#8220;blackness&#8221; as a result of that?</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55232</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle :: Your comment would make more sense if there were anyone who believed that he is not getting the attention he is getting because he is black.
He&#039;s sure not saying anything special.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle :: Your comment would make more sense if there were anyone who believed that he is not getting the attention he is getting because he is black.<br />
He&#8217;s sure not saying anything special.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55231</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, please look at my picture. Both of my parents are black Jamaicans, but it ain&#039;t like our bloodline is &quot;pure&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, please look at my picture. Both of my parents are black Jamaicans, but it ain&#8217;t like our bloodline is &#8220;pure&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: doug r</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a bridge between cultures, like James Brown, or Elvis.....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a bridge between cultures, like James Brown, or Elvis&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55229</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LC - ???

QB - No, but someone who is clearly biracial is defined by all as black, everytime.  Why?  That&#039;s the question.  Seems like an extension of the logic that Rhein described in his post.  Still have a ways to go, I think.

NG - If you don&#039;t like the discussion, don&#039;t add your goddamn stupid comments.

Michelle - Thankyou.  Very well put, and that is part of my point.  He should be defined by his great character, not always as &quot;a black&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LC &#8211; ???</p>
<p>QB &#8211; No, but someone who is clearly biracial is defined by all as black, everytime.  Why?  That&#8217;s the question.  Seems like an extension of the logic that Rhein described in his post.  Still have a ways to go, I think.</p>
<p>NG &#8211; If you don&#8217;t like the discussion, don&#8217;t add your goddamn stupid comments.</p>
<p>Michelle &#8211; Thankyou.  Very well put, and that is part of my point.  He should be defined by his great character, not always as &#8220;a black&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55228</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I vote for him, it will not be because he is black or white or mulatto. I will vote for him because he is a great candidate. Besides, I believe people should define themselves, not be defined by other&#039;s perceptions of their race.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I vote for him, it will not be because he is black or white or mulatto. I will vote for him because he is a great candidate. Besides, I believe people should define themselves, not be defined by other&#8217;s perceptions of their race.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55227</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama chooses to identify himself as a black male. Now can we move on from this god damned stupid derailment?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama chooses to identify himself as a black male. Now can we move on from this god damned stupid derailment?</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55226</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; people in the U.S. who self-identify as black have some white ancestry. The number of people in this country of purely African heritage is exceedingly small.

So you want to claim that &lt;em&gt;nobody&lt;/em&gt; is actually black?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, <em>most</em> people in the U.S. who self-identify as black have some white ancestry. The number of people in this country of purely African heritage is exceedingly small.</p>
<p>So you want to claim that <em>nobody</em> is actually black?</p>
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		<title>By: Lamb Cannon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55225</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamb Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially if he turns out to be a self-servient, anti-gay, pandering bigot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially if he turns out to be a self-servient, anti-gay, pandering bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/16/obama-08-it-begins/#comment-55224</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and Tiger Woods is also Asian.  To make another example of the puzzling issue may help broaden the discussion, but it sure doesn&#039;t help answer my question.  (Not to be ungrateful for the comments, mind you.)  Rhein&#039;s mention of the mulatto thing is actually very applicable for this discussion.  Why is it, even in a time when a man who is half black has a good shot at the presidency, that we still must be polarized along a black/white racial line?  Perhaps actually succeeding at getting a &quot;black&quot; in the white house will help in that regard.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and Tiger Woods is also Asian.  To make another example of the puzzling issue may help broaden the discussion, but it sure doesn&#8217;t help answer my question.  (Not to be ungrateful for the comments, mind you.)  Rhein&#8217;s mention of the mulatto thing is actually very applicable for this discussion.  Why is it, even in a time when a man who is half black has a good shot at the presidency, that we still must be polarized along a black/white racial line?  Perhaps actually succeeding at getting a &#8220;black&#8221; in the white house will help in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiger Woods is of mixed parentage too, he&#039;s black. As is my cousin, who considers himself black.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiger Woods is of mixed parentage too, he&#8217;s black. As is my cousin, who considers himself black.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klaatu Barana Nikto!
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rheinhard, Shane&#039;s question was rhetorical, and you know exactly what he meant.

If you didn&#039;t, I&#039;ll spell it out for you: Young black guy running   for President = Yippee - ki - yi - yay!

Young white guy running for President, Mommy from Kansas,  Daddy from Africa = Ho - hum...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rheinhard, Shane&#8217;s question was rhetorical, and you know exactly what he meant.</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll spell it out for you: Young black guy running   for President = Yippee &#8211; ki &#8211; yi &#8211; yay!</p>
<p>Young white guy running for President, Mommy from Kansas,  Daddy from Africa = Ho &#8211; hum&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rheinhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rheinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically, in America, one was considered &quot;black&quot; if one had so much as 1/64th black ancestry.  Pretty much any black blood made one a &quot;mulatto&quot;, whic for all intents and purposes, was the same as black.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically, in America, one was considered &#8220;black&#8221; if one had so much as 1/64th black ancestry.  Pretty much any black blood made one a &#8220;mulatto&#8221;, whic for all intents and purposes, was the same as black.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is half black, half white.    All we ever hear, though, is that he&#039;s black.  Every now and then in a quick bio, they say his mother was white, and from Kansas.  That&#039;s it.  Now he is just black, apparently.  The white just went away?  Why is it that everytime someone makes a racial identification of Barack Obama, it is that he is black, period?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is half black, half white.    All we ever hear, though, is that he&#8217;s black.  Every now and then in a quick bio, they say his mother was white, and from Kansas.  That&#8217;s it.  Now he is just black, apparently.  The white just went away?  Why is it that everytime someone makes a racial identification of Barack Obama, it is that he is black, period?</p>
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