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	<title>Comments on: Conservatives Can&#8217;t Learn</title>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54918</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and no-one ever heard from him again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and no-one ever heard from him again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54917</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh. Church Secretary is sooooo scary and tough. Jay you&#039;d better watch out or he&#039;ll get really mad!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh. Church Secretary is sooooo scary and tough. Jay you&#8217;d better watch out or he&#8217;ll get really mad!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54916</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What Oliver and his legendary legion of rumpswabs don&#039;t grasp is that the question isn&#039;t about Bush, it isn&#039;t about Saddam, it isn&#039;t about me, and it sure as hell isn&#039;t about Oliver. It&#039;s bigger than any individuals, it&#039;s the grand scope: was it the right thing or not to do? I am still convinced it was, regardless of who ordered it or who opposed it.&lt;/em&gt;

JayTea, that&#039;s not the same question you asked in your post. You asked whether any big mistakes were made. Mr. Bush says there were some. You seem to disagree.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What Oliver and his legendary legion of rumpswabs don&#8217;t grasp is that the question isn&#8217;t about Bush, it isn&#8217;t about Saddam, it isn&#8217;t about me, and it sure as hell isn&#8217;t about Oliver. It&#8217;s bigger than any individuals, it&#8217;s the grand scope: was it the right thing or not to do? I am still convinced it was, regardless of who ordered it or who opposed it.</em></p>
<p>JayTea, that&#8217;s not the same question you asked in your post. You asked whether any big mistakes were made. Mr. Bush says there were some. You seem to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54915</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You make it sound as if your stateside deferred ass is making some kind of sacrifice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, like those who want more troops in Afghanistan.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You make it sound as if your stateside deferred ass is making some kind of sacrifice.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, like those who want more troops in Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54914</link>
		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, if sending more forces into Iraq will help, then by all means let&#039;s do it&quot;

Please avoid the pluralities in your article Jay. You make it sound as if your stateside deferred ass is making some kind of sacrifice.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, if sending more forces into Iraq will help, then by all means let&#8217;s do it&#8221;</p>
<p>Please avoid the pluralities in your article Jay. You make it sound as if your stateside deferred ass is making some kind of sacrifice.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54913</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet the poor aren&#039;t content.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why would you want someone to be content to be poor?

Anyway, here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/from_the_dept_o.html#comment-27630018&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to the argument (which I forgot to add).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yet the poor aren&#8217;t content.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why would you want someone to be content to be poor?</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/from_the_dept_o.html#comment-27630018" rel="nofollow">link</a> to the argument (which I forgot to add).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54912</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When have the poor ever been &quot;content&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When have the poor ever been &#8220;content&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54911</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet the poor aren&#039;t content.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet the poor aren&#8217;t content.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54910</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;who won&#039;t correct himself even when presented with the truth&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You mean like ignoring the fact that the tax code has become MORE progressive under Bush, rather than hurting the poor?

The CBO report cited by the NYT and OW proves it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>who won&#8217;t correct himself even when presented with the truth</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean like ignoring the fact that the tax code has become MORE progressive under Bush, rather than hurting the poor?</p>
<p>The CBO report cited by the NYT and OW proves it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54909</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, JT, we get that. You&#039;re still wrong.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, JT, we get that. You&#8217;re still wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Church Secretary</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54908</link>
		<dc:creator>Church Secretary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;grand scope&quot; is way up your ass, JayTea.  It is bleating cowards like you who have run the ship aground, and now you&#039;re running even faster from the wreckage in your efforts to blame the ones who warned you not to do it.

This isn&#039;t a fucking game: thousands of people are dead, and thousands more are going to die.  Millions of the living have suffered and will suffer more.  All the while you and your pathetic ilk have been cheering this colossal crime against humanity from the safety of your keyboards.  So you can feel flattered, you smug little prick, but I&#039;d rather you get fucked,  squashed, and hanged.  That would be a really &quot;right thing,&quot;  much better than you and all the other bleating cowards responsible for this mess deserve.  Later, when I&#039;m in a bad mood, I&#039;ll tell you what I really think.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;grand scope&#8221; is way up your ass, JayTea.  It is bleating cowards like you who have run the ship aground, and now you&#8217;re running even faster from the wreckage in your efforts to blame the ones who warned you not to do it.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a fucking game: thousands of people are dead, and thousands more are going to die.  Millions of the living have suffered and will suffer more.  All the while you and your pathetic ilk have been cheering this colossal crime against humanity from the safety of your keyboards.  So you can feel flattered, you smug little prick, but I&#8217;d rather you get fucked,  squashed, and hanged.  That would be a really &#8220;right thing,&#8221;  much better than you and all the other bleating cowards responsible for this mess deserve.  Later, when I&#8217;m in a bad mood, I&#8217;ll tell you what I really think.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Oliver and his legendary legion of rumpswabs don&#039;t grasp is that the question isn&#039;t about Bush, it isn&#039;t about Saddam, it isn&#039;t about me, and it sure as hell isn&#039;t about Oliver. It&#039;s bigger than any individuals, it&#039;s the grand scope: was it the right thing or not to do? I am still convinced it was, regardless of who ordered it or who opposed it.

But it&#039;s very, very flattering that you all think so much about me. Almost creepy, but not quite.

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Oliver and his legendary legion of rumpswabs don&#8217;t grasp is that the question isn&#8217;t about Bush, it isn&#8217;t about Saddam, it isn&#8217;t about me, and it sure as hell isn&#8217;t about Oliver. It&#8217;s bigger than any individuals, it&#8217;s the grand scope: was it the right thing or not to do? I am still convinced it was, regardless of who ordered it or who opposed it.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s very, very flattering that you all think so much about me. Almost creepy, but not quite.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory_Is_Freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54906</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory_Is_Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the first indication of an end game in Iraq?
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		<title>By: Bill L.</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54905</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, how about some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/116&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;perspective&lt;/a&gt;?
New surge, same as the old surge.

And the truthiness shall set them free.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, how about some <a href="http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/116" rel="nofollow">perspective</a>?<br />
New surge, same as the old surge.</p>
<p>And the truthiness shall set them free.</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54904</link>
		<dc:creator>buma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaytea offers a brilliant example of why the American voters abandoned the GOP this past November. The thirty-percenters are the hardcore fringe who will never admit that bush was dead wrong.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaytea offers a brilliant example of why the American voters abandoned the GOP this past November. The thirty-percenters are the hardcore fringe who will never admit that bush was dead wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54903</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course he can&#039;t think of anything wrong, Oliver. By their standards nothing has gone wrong. They&#039;ve gotten the war they were lusting after, yet have had to pay none of the price.

These people are war porn addicts. Until it affects them directly they will continue to defend, deflect and deny. Which is why you will never see one of these awful people in uniform.

To them, the invasion itself was a fine idea.

Sending in too few men was also fine, because then they get a nice meaty body count. Let&#039;s &#039;em shriek at the lib&#039;ruls &quot;HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE AGAINST THE WAR WHEN THEM RAGHEADS IS DOIN&#039; THIS TO OUR FINE SOLJURS?!???!!&quot;

...when, if we had had our druthers, they never would have gone into that hell hole in the first place.

Now, they get their final, glorious doomed fucking charge, after which they will blame everyone but the people responsible, i.e. the ones who thought an unprovoked, undermanned invasion of an uninvolved nation would be a marvelous idea, if only so they could blow up some buildings and see brown people guts.

In other words, themselves.

That would simply require too much introspective, too much HUMANITY.

They are weak, pants-shitting little men, Oliver. They live and die vicariously through people with more courage than they themselves will ever have.

..People who, as often as not, enlisted for the career opportunities it provides. People who enlisted in the hopes of one day ascending to a tax bracket that most of the war porn fetishists were born into.

So no. To the warfloggers, there have been no wrong decisions. Only more chances to whine.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course he can&#8217;t think of anything wrong, Oliver. By their standards nothing has gone wrong. They&#8217;ve gotten the war they were lusting after, yet have had to pay none of the price.</p>
<p>These people are war porn addicts. Until it affects them directly they will continue to defend, deflect and deny. Which is why you will never see one of these awful people in uniform.</p>
<p>To them, the invasion itself was a fine idea.</p>
<p>Sending in too few men was also fine, because then they get a nice meaty body count. Let&#8217;s &#8216;em shriek at the lib&#8217;ruls &#8220;HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE AGAINST THE WAR WHEN THEM RAGHEADS IS DOIN&#8217; THIS TO OUR FINE SOLJURS?!???!!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;when, if we had had our druthers, they never would have gone into that hell hole in the first place.</p>
<p>Now, they get their final, glorious doomed fucking charge, after which they will blame everyone but the people responsible, i.e. the ones who thought an unprovoked, undermanned invasion of an uninvolved nation would be a marvelous idea, if only so they could blow up some buildings and see brown people guts.</p>
<p>In other words, themselves.</p>
<p>That would simply require too much introspective, too much HUMANITY.</p>
<p>They are weak, pants-shitting little men, Oliver. They live and die vicariously through people with more courage than they themselves will ever have.</p>
<p>..People who, as often as not, enlisted for the career opportunities it provides. People who enlisted in the hopes of one day ascending to a tax bracket that most of the war porn fetishists were born into.</p>
<p>So no. To the warfloggers, there have been no wrong decisions. Only more chances to whine.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He can&#039;t, and neither can anyone else on these threads, except &quot;It was a bad idea&quot;, or &quot;It was not a good idea,&quot; as if those two things were different ideas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He can&#8217;t, and neither can anyone else on these threads, except &#8220;It was a bad idea&#8221;, or &#8220;It was not a good idea,&#8221; as if those two things were different ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He hasn&#039;t posted here in a while, has he? &quot;Jay&quot; is someone else, isn&#039;t he?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He hasn&#8217;t posted here in a while, has he? &#8220;Jay&#8221; is someone else, isn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/01/11/conservatives-cant-learn/#comment-54900</link>
		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay writes:

&quot;So, am I in favor of the &#039;surge&#039; or not? I don&#039;t really care.&quot;

Awesome.

Jay Tea, Stupidest Person on the Internets.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;So, am I in favor of the &#8217;surge&#8217; or not? I don&#8217;t really care.&#8221;</p>
<p>Awesome.</p>
<p>Jay Tea, Stupidest Person on the Internets.</p>
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