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		<title>By: Shorter Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53298</link>
		<dc:creator>Shorter Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re insulted by my insults it&#039;s entirely your fault.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re insulted by my insults it&#8217;s entirely your fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Herman</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53297</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So? First, why would a liberal care about such a thing? Secondly, you can&#039;t claim you are pointing out hypocrisy because Giuliani himself is a liberal on family issues.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So? First, why would a liberal care about such a thing? Secondly, you can&#8217;t claim you are pointing out hypocrisy because Giuliani himself is a liberal on family issues.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilbur: See if Target has any &quot;Sense of Humor&quot; Kits left.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbur: See if Target has any &#8220;Sense of Humor&#8221; Kits left.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53295</link>
		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilbur: See if Target has any &quot;Sense of Humor&quot; Kits left.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbur: See if Target has any &#8220;Sense of Humor&#8221; Kits left.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53294</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&#039;ll keep it civilized....putz.&lt;/i&gt;

Atta boy!!1!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#8217;ll keep it civilized&#8230;.putz.</i></p>
<p>Atta boy!!1!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill L.</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53293</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, somebody actually seems to know the definition of &quot;taint.&quot;  I came within a whisker of working in &quot;tea-bagging.&quot;

While it&#039;s pretty well impossible to pretend that politicians aren&#039;t constantly fudging history to better present themselves to their adoring public, the laundry list of past offenses doesn&#039;t address Rudy&#039;s omissions, it just plays the &quot;I know you are but what am I&quot; card for the umpteenth time.

The online aspect of this is particularly meaningful, I think, in light of the fact that efforts to fudge facts in the past had to get past quite a number of formidable barriers to become widely accepted.  The net has made the dissemination of information a far simpler task.  How long before Rudy&#039;s bio is linked to other blogs and news services, which will elevate it to the top of any search engine query, which will be the first thing a research assistant on MSNBC will hit when rushing to get background for a segment?  Fiction can rapidly become fact.  The only credible explanations, really, are either that Rudy doesn&#039;t want to &quot;dwell&quot; on his past, that it&#039;s a &quot;mistake,&quot; or that he is hoping a certain percentage of the population will ignore troubling facts and cling to &quot;Saint Rudy&quot; in much the same way many cling to &quot;Saint McCain.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, somebody actually seems to know the definition of &#8220;taint.&#8221;  I came within a whisker of working in &#8220;tea-bagging.&#8221;</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s pretty well impossible to pretend that politicians aren&#8217;t constantly fudging history to better present themselves to their adoring public, the laundry list of past offenses doesn&#8217;t address Rudy&#8217;s omissions, it just plays the &#8220;I know you are but what am I&#8221; card for the umpteenth time.</p>
<p>The online aspect of this is particularly meaningful, I think, in light of the fact that efforts to fudge facts in the past had to get past quite a number of formidable barriers to become widely accepted.  The net has made the dissemination of information a far simpler task.  How long before Rudy&#8217;s bio is linked to other blogs and news services, which will elevate it to the top of any search engine query, which will be the first thing a research assistant on MSNBC will hit when rushing to get background for a segment?  Fiction can rapidly become fact.  The only credible explanations, really, are either that Rudy doesn&#8217;t want to &#8220;dwell&#8221; on his past, that it&#8217;s a &#8220;mistake,&#8221; or that he is hoping a certain percentage of the population will ignore troubling facts and cling to &#8220;Saint Rudy&#8221; in much the same way many cling to &#8220;Saint McCain.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53292</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros, I do remember that. I&#039;ll keep it civilized....putz.

:-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros, I do remember that. I&#8217;ll keep it civilized&#8230;.putz.<br />
 <img src='http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53291</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, it&#039;s just that Quaker called me on it when I said to you a few weeks back, so.... you know.
Nothing wrong with name calling , right? as long as we keep it civilized.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, it&#8217;s just that Quaker called me on it when I said to you a few weeks back, so&#8230;. you know.<br />
Nothing wrong with name calling , right? as long as we keep it civilized.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilbur, sorry if the insults bother you, but it just seems unlikely to me that Guiliani did that for that reason. First of all, the media is not going to stop reminding people that he&#039;s on his third marriage. Second of all, it&#039;s pretty common knowledge. It&#039;s just absurd to think that he was doing it so it would shield him from kind of criticism.

Duros, my apologies. I won&#039;t use that term.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbur, sorry if the insults bother you, but it just seems unlikely to me that Guiliani did that for that reason. First of all, the media is not going to stop reminding people that he&#8217;s on his third marriage. Second of all, it&#8217;s pretty common knowledge. It&#8217;s just absurd to think that he was doing it so it would shield him from kind of criticism.</p>
<p>Duros, my apologies. I won&#8217;t use that term.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53289</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jay, don&#039;t use that term, please.

Didn&#039;t Rudy marry his cousin or some such? Does he mention that
part as well?

Tyfoc&#039;s point is well taken. Everybody has crap in their closets they&#039;d rather not address, expecially on the campaing trail. I appreciate your bipartisanship as well, T.

Heh heh, Bill said &quot;taint.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jay, don&#8217;t use that term, please.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Rudy marry his cousin or some such? Does he mention that<br />
part as well?</p>
<p>Tyfoc&#8217;s point is well taken. Everybody has crap in their closets they&#8217;d rather not address, expecially on the campaing trail. I appreciate your bipartisanship as well, T.</p>
<p>Heh heh, Bill said &#8220;taint.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53288</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank: &quot;thence&quot; and &quot;vacuous&quot; are &quot;really big words&quot;?

Jay: you can take all your insults and turn them on your self if you think that there&#039;s anything on Giuliani&#039;s website that was not &quot;specifically done by him and his team so that they could better position themselves for the GOP primary.&quot;

Same goes for the website of every serious politician who&#039;s considering a run for president.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank: &#8220;thence&#8221; and &#8220;vacuous&#8221; are &#8220;really big words&#8221;?</p>
<p>Jay: you can take all your insults and turn them on your self if you think that there&#8217;s anything on Giuliani&#8217;s website that was not &#8220;specifically done by him and his team so that they could better position themselves for the GOP primary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Same goes for the website of every serious politician who&#8217;s considering a run for president.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53287</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so freaking stupid. As if anybody who knew about Guiliani didn&#039;t know about his previous marriage or that nobody would find out about it.

Yet the theory is this was specifically done by him and his team so that they could better position themselves for the GOP primary.

Are you people really that retarded?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so freaking stupid. As if anybody who knew about Guiliani didn&#8217;t know about his previous marriage or that nobody would find out about it.</p>
<p>Yet the theory is this was specifically done by him and his team so that they could better position themselves for the GOP primary.</p>
<p>Are you people really that retarded?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53286</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Giuliani&#039;s kids are in a spider hole with Newt&#039;s first wives. Maybe they should all just have a group marriage, like on Big Love. That&#039;d be a hell of a reality show, come to think of it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Giuliani&#8217;s kids are in a spider hole with Newt&#8217;s first wives. Maybe they should all just have a group marriage, like on Big Love. That&#8217;d be a hell of a reality show, come to think of it.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53285</link>
		<dc:creator>fd10801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJP: I didn&#039;t know he asked a question, but I&#039;ll say this: There is no way of knowing whether not Giuliani is ashamed of having children from a previous marriage.

I can only surmise that he doesn&#039;t want attention drawn to the previous marriage.

The rest, like Kennedy and Chappaquidick, is between him and his maker
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJP: I didn&#8217;t know he asked a question, but I&#8217;ll say this: There is no way of knowing whether not Giuliani is ashamed of having children from a previous marriage.</p>
<p>I can only surmise that he doesn&#8217;t want attention drawn to the previous marriage.</p>
<p>The rest, like Kennedy and Chappaquidick, is between him and his maker</p>
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		<title>By: August J. Pollak</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53284</link>
		<dc:creator>August J. Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, since like everyone else attacking the Byrd straw man, you clearly couldn&#039;t be bothered to Google it yourself: yes, Byrd in fact addresses the Klan in his biography.  He wrote entire chapters on it. The book is called &quot;Robert C. Byrd: Child of the Appalachian Coalfields,&quot; which is a stark contrast to &quot;Rudy Guiliani: What Child?&quot;

&lt;i&gt;The things politicians leave out of their bios are those things that it would be inconvenient or troubling to deal with during a campaign, which include, but are not limited to, things to be ashamed of.&lt;/i&gt;

So answer Wilbur&#039;s question: is Giuliani ashamed of his kids or not?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, since like everyone else attacking the Byrd straw man, you clearly couldn&#8217;t be bothered to Google it yourself: yes, Byrd in fact addresses the Klan in his biography.  He wrote entire chapters on it. The book is called &#8220;Robert C. Byrd: Child of the Appalachian Coalfields,&#8221; which is a stark contrast to &#8220;Rudy Guiliani: What Child?&#8221;</p>
<p><i>The things politicians leave out of their bios are those things that it would be inconvenient or troubling to deal with during a campaign, which include, but are not limited to, things to be ashamed of.</i></p>
<p>So answer Wilbur&#8217;s question: is Giuliani ashamed of his kids or not?</p>
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		<title>By: August J. Pollak</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53283</link>
		<dc:creator>August J. Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Does Robert Byrd include his KKK membership in his bio?&lt;/i&gt;

You think having two kids from a previous marriage is the same as joining the Klan?

&lt;i&gt;Did Ted Kennedy mention the unfortunate midnight swim?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure it&#039;s on the same site that mentions Laura Bush&#039;s little car accident.  &lt;i&gt;How&lt;/i&gt; are you fuckers not bored with this yet?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does Robert Byrd include his KKK membership in his bio?</i></p>
<p>You think having two kids from a previous marriage is the same as joining the Klan?</p>
<p><i>Did Ted Kennedy mention the unfortunate midnight swim?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s on the same site that mentions Laura Bush&#8217;s little car accident.  <i>How</i> are you fuckers not bored with this yet?</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53282</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Wilbur, despite your use of really big words like &quot;thence&quot; and &quot;vacuous&quot;, are wrong.

The things politicians leave out of their bios are those things that it would be inconvenient or troubling to deal with during a campaign, which include, but are not limited to, things to be ashamed of.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Wilbur, despite your use of really big words like &#8220;thence&#8221; and &#8220;vacuous&#8221;, are wrong.</p>
<p>The things politicians leave out of their bios are those things that it would be inconvenient or troubling to deal with during a campaign, which include, but are not limited to, things to be ashamed of.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/20/rudy-giuliani-the-memory-hole/#comment-53281</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m beginning to understand something about our right-wing brethren.  There are many different types of intelligence; most of us excel at some types and are deficient in others.  Most right-wing commenters on this site aren&#039;t unintelligent, they are just deficient in the type of intelligence that allows them to think logically enough to form and follow appropriate analogies.  Thence flow all the false equivalencies and vacuous analogies that are the bedrock of right-wing rhetoric.  Perhaps this deficiency explains why so many otherwise intelligent people become Republicans.

In the present case, all the omissions that tyfoc lists are things that, if valid (which I&#039;m not for a minute acknowledging in every case), are things that the people in question should be ashamed of.  So if tyfoc&#039;s analogy were valid, tyfoc would be saying that Rudy should be ashamed that he was previously married, and should be ashamed of his children from that marriage.

But somehow I don&#039;t think that is what he meant to say.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m beginning to understand something about our right-wing brethren.  There are many different types of intelligence; most of us excel at some types and are deficient in others.  Most right-wing commenters on this site aren&#8217;t unintelligent, they are just deficient in the type of intelligence that allows them to think logically enough to form and follow appropriate analogies.  Thence flow all the false equivalencies and vacuous analogies that are the bedrock of right-wing rhetoric.  Perhaps this deficiency explains why so many otherwise intelligent people become Republicans.</p>
<p>In the present case, all the omissions that tyfoc lists are things that, if valid (which I&#8217;m not for a minute acknowledging in every case), are things that the people in question should be ashamed of.  So if tyfoc&#8217;s analogy were valid, tyfoc would be saying that Rudy should be ashamed that he was previously married, and should be ashamed of his children from that marriage.</p>
<p>But somehow I don&#8217;t think that is what he meant to say.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Bill L. tyfoc is much closer to the mark than you are. Politicians regularly fudge on their bios, be they in the Congressional Record, or WhiteHouse.gov

tyfoc&#039;s point with which I agree is that Oliver does this only when Republicans do what every other politician does routinely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Bill L. tyfoc is much closer to the mark than you are. Politicians regularly fudge on their bios, be they in the Congressional Record, or WhiteHouse.gov</p>
<p>tyfoc&#8217;s point with which I agree is that Oliver does this only when Republicans do what every other politician does routinely.</p>
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