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December 19th, 2006
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Is “the War on Easter” something these right-wing chicken littles are actually concerned about, or is that a joke?
The “War on Easter” theme just got going this year, and the “chicken littles” are not joking. You can read about it here and here
Let us not forget the Blasphemy Challenge! W00t!
Ah, thanks Becky. I assumed it was a Colbert joke. Oh well.
Well, if the man who is doing everything he can to remove religion from the public square, says the “War on Christmas,” (which, of course, proceeds apace, even though it has abated somewhat this year without any massive transfer of funds to religious organizations) is a fraud, then, by Gaia, I believe him!
Please, Frank, preserve what little dignity you have left. You know perfectly well that there is and never has been any such thing.
Nimrod: Quit being a tool. The ACLU has been filing lawsuits against villages and hamlets that have town creches for years. They have never denied that the tactic is to threaten to drain the treasuries of small towns with legal fees, thus forcing them to remove the Nativity scenes.
They do this at CHRISTMAS time with regard to scenes that celebrate CHRISTMAS.
Schools change the name of CHRISTMAS Play to winter shows.
Store now have Holiday sales instead of CHRISTMAS sales.
I repeat, stop being a tool.
Why are left wingers (and it’s ALWAYS left wingers) so damned concerned about offending people by mentioning God, when they are hot to trot to ensure that Muslims, for example, are free to practice their religion on, say, airplanes?
“Preserve what little dignity you have left.”
Fuck you.
Schools change the name of CHRISTMAS Play to winter shows.
Store now have Holiday sales instead of CHRISTMAS sales.
News flash! Christianity is not the only religion. Film at 11. If some secular store advertised a Channukah sale, you know Dobson, Robertson, Falwell and their ilk would flip a shit over it. When you talk about forcing everyone to celebrate Christmas, you’re saying to people of other faiths, “Hur hur hur, your faith is teh suXXorZ!!!11!11! Christianity is the only acceptable religion!” Christianity DOES have the right to be expressed. It does NOT have the right to be expressed over all other religions.
Why are left wingers (and it’s ALWAYS left wingers) so damned concerned about offending people by mentioning God, when they are hot to trot to ensure that Muslims, for example, are free to practice their religion on, say, airplanes?
A. I know what you mean by that last comment (and that you’re going to feign stupidity over it), and I will say that you’re a sick…thing for it.
B. There’s a differance between the government practicing religion and an individual practicing it.
Christianity is not the only religion; it is a religion within the meaning of the the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. You know, the one that includes this clause: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof [emphasis added - fd]
There’s a difference between the government practicing religion and an individual practicing it.
Indeed there is — the former is impossible. The latter infuriates liberals.
As far as the possibility that Dobson, Robertson, or Falwell might be upset by something, I find that laughable.
In the first place, there’s no liberal on this blog who has the vaguest notion what they might think or feel.
The irony is that one Jewish, Muslim, or atheist family can derail a creche, a Christmas play, an appearance by Santa Claus, or a Christmas tree in the town square.
But offending Christians — who make up 86% of the U.S. population — who cares?
Indeed there is — the former is impossible. The latter infuriates liberals.
So a government can’t endorese a religion above all others? So you’re saying that those “Islamofacist” dictoatorships don’t exist? Ok then.
Also, if you’re free to make crass overgeneralizations about liberals, then I am free to do the same for conservatives:
What infuriates conservatives:
-Strong women
-Poor people
-Mexicans
_Non-Christians
-Civil Rights
-Pennecillin
-Video Games
-Homosexuals
I could keep this up all day.
As far as the possibility that Dobson, Robertson, or Falwell might be upset by something, I find that laughable.
PFft, did you just say that those three are never angered by anything? What about “teh gayz”?
The irony is that one Jewish, Muslim, or atheist family can derail a creche, a Christmas play, an appearance by Santa Claus, or a Christmas tree in the town square.
But offending Christians — who make up 86% of the U.S. population — who cares?
Here-in lies the problem. You think that “endorsing all religions except Christianity” and “endorsing no religions” are the same thing. This doesn’t offend Christians as a whole. The only people it offends are people who find the idea that a world outside of Christiany to be offensive. And before you start flinging poo about “hypocricy”, liberals are only upset when a government institution endorses Christmas (see: public school)
Better yet: let’s try an analogy here. How would YOU feel if your great-grandchild’s school was hosting a Ramodan play?
One more thing: if Christmas needs a vast advertisement campaign to keep it alive, it wasn’t a very good holiday in the first place.
Zython: You are crude and ignorant.
“My great – grandchildren”?
Amazing. If a conservative made a similar remark, he would be called an intolerant “ageist.”
But on this liberal nutball blog — not a peep.
Whether or not I have children, grandchildren or great – grandchildren is completely irrelevant.
You got your jibe in.
Now here’s mine: You’re a fucking idiot.
I couldn’t care less if the school MY SONS attend, asshole, had a Ramadan show, followed by a Hanukkah show, followed by a Christmas show, and a Kwanzaa show and a Druid show.
You can throwing up straw men and knocking them down (example: Did I say that Dobson, et al might not ever be angered by anything? No, I did not, you anencephalic brat. What I said was that the idea that they would be upset was laughable. Find a grown – up to tell you what that big word means.)
Finally, people have been celebrating Christmas for 2000 years. They will be celebrating it for thousands more. It is not necessary or desirable to defame it or ridicule it. It is not a good thing that people want to make it difficult to celebrate it, now is it?
I couldn’t care less if the school MY SONS attend, asshole, had a Ramadan show, followed by a Hanukkah show, followed by a Christmas show, and a Kwanzaa show and a Druid show.
First of all, I asked if they JUST had a Ramadan show. You know, like how it was OK beforehand to have a Christmas show.
If you don’t have a problem with the existance of other religions, then what’s your beef with “Happy Holidays”. And the conversvatives only seem to care about Christmas (hence, the name “War on Christmas”), so let me ask you something. Why are your religious beliefs more important than mine? Why should Christmas be the only recognized holiday in December?
We’re not preventing anyone from celebrating Christmas. We’re not infringing on your religious beliefs by asking to acknowledge the existance of other religions. When you and your ilk are fighting for Christmas to get more attention, when it’s receiving just as much, if not more attention than other religious holidays in the season (let’s sick with “just as much” for the sake of arguement), you’re saying to people of other faiths, “Christianity is the only religion that matters, suck it!”
I don’t know how, but the religious right has somehow warped the meaning of Christmas to be more about greed than it already has. I hope you’re proud of yourself. And I wish you well in fighting the phantoms that never were.
What I said was that the idea that they would be upset was laughable
No, what you actually said was:
As far as the possibility that Dobson, Robertson, or Falwell might be upset by something, I find that laughable.
And I pointed out things they get upset with. Things that fall into the category “something”. If you were more descript, maybe something in some general category, this wouldn’t be an issue.
My beef is not with saying “Happy Holidays”, nor is it with having any number of holiday celebrations.
It is with the ELIMINATION of saying “Merry Christmas” and / or the celebration of Christmas.
I’m not in the imaginary school (you know, the one you just created) that says “Christmas über alles”. I’m simply saying, “Leave Christmas alone.”
And you didn’t point out things Dobson, et. al get “upset with”. You made up a list of things that you think (quite stupidly, I might add) “infuriate” conservatives.
Your list is either laughable or pathetic — take your pick.
And, oh yeah, your taunting me about my age is an indicator of your lack of respect and courtesy, and I have no intention of letting any of them go by.
You insult me — I insult you. That is, unfortunately, how it works around here.
GTFU or STFU.
My beef is not with saying “Happy Holidays”, nor is it with having any number of holiday celebrations.
It is with the ELIMINATION of saying “Merry Christmas” and / or the celebration of Christmas.
And I’m asking what makes Christmas so much more important than the other December holidays. I don’t mind it when people say “Merry Christmas”, but when people like you get angry when they don’t, you’re attempting to place yourself above me, and are saying that Christmas is more important than all the other religious holidays put together. Why should Christmas be the only holiday separated from the all-inclusive banner “Happy Holidays”. It’s fine if Christmas is the only December holiday that matters to you, but why should it be the only one that matters to everyone?
And you didn’t point out things Dobson, et. al get “upset with”. You made up a list of things that you think (quite stupidly, I might add) “infuriate” conservatives.
No, if you actually read what I wrote before the list, I said:
Also, if you’re free to make crass overgeneralizations about liberals, then I am free to do the same for conservatives:
I guess reading comprehension wasn’t invented until you were out of school.
I’m not in the imaginary school (you know, the one you just created) that says “Christmas über alles”. I’m simply saying, “Leave Christmas alone.”
Likewise, I’m not in the imaginary school (you know, the one you just created) that says “Christmas = Satan”, I’m simply saying, “What about all the other holidays?”
GTFU or STFU.
If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.