That description of sociopathy seemed… off. The lack of empathy is far more primary than the inability to respond to punishment. If only sociopaths refused ot boy to punishment, we wouldn’t have a country. We wouldn’t have Science, we wouldn’t have most forms of modern music and we wouldn’t have several of the great works of literature/
Was dante a sociopath? John Locke? Elvis Presley? It’s been a disturbing trend lately to associate defiant people with sociopathy, while completely ignoring the primary aspect of socipathy: The inability to care about anything but your own immediate gratification.
Personally, the proliferation of demented, conspiratorial, eliminationist, anti-liberal rhetoric that’s been coming from right-wing talk radio for the past 15-20 years, coupled with a newish medium in which we liberals can actually respond — all that does bring out a fairly pugnacious side of me that does not come out so easily in person.
I wouldn’t call it sociopathic, but I am quite happy to descend to Dugger’s hateful level when he starts with it; whereas I’d just walk away from a similarly frothing lunatic in the real world.
Ah yes, but how many commenters ignore social conventions and generally act like total asshats because they’re psychologically incapable of doing otherwise, and how many do it just because they’ve spent the last few years living in mom’s basement, are bored, & just looking for a reaction of some kind?
Oh, I get it. Barnett says “Gore is almost mentally ill,” and that somehow remotely resembles the left’s consistent and monotonous framing of the right as psychopathic.
It is downright foolish to suggest that there is something pathological about having conservative political beliefs.
Notice that, originally, I didn’t even bother to contest so foolish an idea.
My point was, and is, that it is regularly a leftist failing to accuse the right of holding a pathological view of the world, Mr. Barnett’s lone condemnation of Mr. Gore notwithstanding.
Remember when Charles Krauthammer used to regularly diagnose Gore’s mental problems? Remember when the entirety of the right-wing “intelligentsia” used to analyze Bill Clinton’s sociopathic sex addictions? Just curious…
I repeat: That is an individual talking about an individual.
Perhaps Mr. Gore does have mental problems; perhaps President Clinton is a sex addict (that would be my bet), but that was not a generalized statement by a casual right wing observer (Dr. Krauthammer is a trained psychiatrist), nor is it a blanket condemnation of most liberals.
I think that right wing politics often play to paranoid individuals. Hence Hofstaedter’s essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” — written largely in response to the rise of the father of the modern conservative movement, Barry Goldwater. Where would our contemporary conservatives be without their belief that the Democrats and George Soros are selling out America’s defenses so that terrorists can reestablish the caliphate first over first Europe, then America?
Dr AGH: Isn’t it possible that Hofstadter was a liberal, and thus not entirely familiar with, and perhaps hostile to conservative thought?
He also wrote “Social Darwinism in American Thought”, which claimed that it was American businessmen who thought that democracy and humanitarianism ran afoul of the laws of the nature.
He was considered to be one of the Columbia U. postwar intellectuals, a clique whose world view was synonymous with conventional modern liberalism.
That description of sociopathy seemed… off. The lack of empathy is far more primary than the inability to respond to punishment. If only sociopaths refused ot boy to punishment, we wouldn’t have a country. We wouldn’t have Science, we wouldn’t have most forms of modern music and we wouldn’t have several of the great works of literature/
Was dante a sociopath? John Locke? Elvis Presley? It’s been a disturbing trend lately to associate defiant people with sociopathy, while completely ignoring the primary aspect of socipathy: The inability to care about anything but your own immediate gratification.
Personally, the proliferation of demented, conspiratorial, eliminationist, anti-liberal rhetoric that’s been coming from right-wing talk radio for the past 15-20 years, coupled with a newish medium in which we liberals can actually respond — all that does bring out a fairly pugnacious side of me that does not come out so easily in person.
I wouldn’t call it sociopathic, but I am quite happy to descend to Dugger’s hateful level when he starts with it; whereas I’d just walk away from a similarly frothing lunatic in the real world.
GWB is the real sociopath. Folks like Dugger are just sociopath-wannabes.
Would that there was a name for people who blithely (dare I say ignorantly?) label people with whom they disagree, “psychopaths.”
Dugger fer sure. Jay too. And Marty. Pedro as well. Based on the post above you can add fd1081 to the mix.
OW’s blog attracts freepers like gnats to a sweaty face.
Perhaps “RedBastardGod”?
Ah yes, but how many commenters ignore social conventions and generally act like total asshats because they’re psychologically incapable of doing otherwise, and how many do it just because they’ve spent the last few years living in mom’s basement, are bored, & just looking for a reaction of some kind?
Frank, you should understand, is a paragon of reasonable and rational discourse, as he has proved so often on this website.
I find it interesting that it is only the left that accuses the right of psychological disturbances, never the other way ’round.
See
here
here
here
Left wing = SOVIET UNION HULAGHALGHAL
You see what I what I was saying earlier about Frank’s integrity.
By the way, Frank – for the sake of my own sanity, I’m assuming you don’t believe what you just said:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/12/dean_barnett_me.html
N G: Surely you don’t mean to imply that the Communists who ran the Soviet Union were not leftists?
And your link doesn’t point to a comment of mine. Do you have a point, or did you just make a mistake?
Oh, I get it. Barnett says “Gore is almost mentally ill,” and that somehow remotely resembles the left’s consistent and monotonous framing of the right as psychopathic.
It is downright foolish to suggest that there is something pathological about having conservative political beliefs.
Notice that, originally, I didn’t even bother to contest so foolish an idea.
My point was, and is, that it is regularly a leftist failing to accuse the right of holding a pathological view of the world, Mr. Barnett’s lone condemnation of Mr. Gore notwithstanding.
No. No I do not. What a stupid question.
You know what the point I made was. In both cases. Faking ignorance doesn’t help your case much.
I never said your link did point to a comment of yours. It points to something that seems to put
into doubt, at the very least.
Remember when Charles Krauthammer used to regularly diagnose Gore’s mental problems? Remember when the entirety of the right-wing “intelligentsia” used to analyze Bill Clinton’s sociopathic sex addictions? Just curious…
I repeat: That is an individual talking about an individual.
Perhaps Mr. Gore does have mental problems; perhaps President Clinton is a sex addict (that would be my bet), but that was not a generalized statement by a casual right wing observer (Dr. Krauthammer is a trained psychiatrist), nor is it a blanket condemnation of most liberals.
Shorter Frank: It’s okay if it’s my side that’s doing it.
Shorter Nimrod: Stop showing everyone I’m wrong…
Shorter Fwank: urnotalone.com
Shorter S : s
If I’m wrong, you’ve done nothing to point it out.
I think that right wing politics often play to paranoid individuals. Hence Hofstaedter’s essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” — written largely in response to the rise of the father of the modern conservative movement, Barry Goldwater. Where would our contemporary conservatives be without their belief that the Democrats and George Soros are selling out America’s defenses so that terrorists can reestablish the caliphate first over first Europe, then America?
Dr AGH: Isn’t it possible that Hofstadter was a liberal, and thus not entirely familiar with, and perhaps hostile to conservative thought?
He also wrote “Social Darwinism in American Thought”, which claimed that it was American businessmen who thought that democracy and humanitarianism ran afoul of the laws of the nature.
He was considered to be one of the Columbia U. postwar intellectuals, a clique whose world view was synonymous with conventional modern liberalism.
If I’m wrong, you’ve done nothing to point it out.
N G: Now you’re being stubborn (silly?).
Barnett (an individual) referred to Gore (an individual).
Krauthammer (an individual) referred to — in ONE instance — Gore (an individual); and, in ANOTHER instance, to Pres. Clinton (an individual).
I will skip the explanation of how groups (e.g., political parties and / or their constituencies) differ from individuals.