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Hoosier Edward Bruce Tinsley, creator of the conservative comic strip Mallard Fillmore, was arrested in Columbus Dec. 4 and charged with operating a vehicle under the influence — his second alcohol-related arrest in less that four months, according to the Bartholomew County Sheriff’s Department.
Tinsley, 48, who lives in Columbus, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.14 — almost twice the level at which an Indiana driver is considered intoxicated. He posted $755 bond.
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pu-lease……
One word: Kennedy (You pick the sot of interest)
Pot, meet Kettle
O, I object to your use of the word “comic.” It implies “funny.”
Oh, and Tinsley is a cartoonist, the Kennedy’s in “important leadership roles”….
You get the feeling sometimes that all wingnuts have a little box with 3 buttons on it, and whenever they get in an argument they push one to get the box to shout:
1) “Clinton!”
2) “Kennedy!”
3) “Pelosi!”
Hmm. Rheinhard.
Just two topics down, you said: “I would really like it if wingnuts would stop blaming “Democrats” for sending Jefferson back to congress.”
Note only two topic later you are piling on as OW extrapolates a single cartoonist’s drunk driving bust to “conservatives”. As I said, it happens all the time to conservatives here.
Dugger, In Your Heart, You Know He’s Right
The box with the button is: One unlawful or immoral act by a conservative discredits conservatism.
Interestingly, that rule never applies to liberals, who seem to be able to break any law, violate any moral standard, or go against any norm of civilized behavior with zero consequences.
That’s the first time I’ve laughed anywhere near the words “Mallard Fillmore”.
Oh, and Rheinhard, don’t forget Robert Byrd.
I would think that guy should get a week in jail and have his license taken away for at least a year.
Oliver’s just pointing and laughing at Bruce Tinsley for the first time ever. He’s not trying to make any great point. At least I don’t think he is. He’s not that daft.
If you guys are going to go for ancient history, how about “Tippencanoe and Tyler Too”? And since the point clearly sails over your heads, one party is the party of finger-wagging moral superiority. It’s not the Democrats.
Oh, and also, Tinsley, man:
BWA HA HA HA HA HAAAA AH HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHAAAAAAA
Tinsley’s actions are definitely consistent with his unfunny strip. Excessive drinking, as we know, is harmful to the brain, and it appears that from creating a cartoon strip that lacks any wit, he may have been drinking like this for a long time.
1) Bush is dumb!
2) Bush lied!
3) Bush hates the Bill of Rights!
December 12, 2006
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They can’t help themselves.
So OW teh above and was NOT trying to extrapolate Tinsley’s deed into something against conservatives???
Hey, be honest. You whine when its done to you but you are tone deaf when you do it.
The delicious irony of all this though is how like many stupid right-wingers obsessed with their straw men, Tinsley has drawn literally dozens of strips accusing Sen. Kennedy of being an alcoholic. Not exactly the best person to compare rap sheets, Brucie.
You only get one call, Bruce, maybe you shouldn’t waste it on phoning your comic in.
Tinsley has drawn literally dozens of strips accusing Sen. Kennedy of being an alcoholic
Maybe, in retrospect, those were Tinsley’s cries for help.
Maybe, in retrospect, we could have done something.
If we gave a rat’s ass about helping this vindictive, humor-impaired hack, that is.
Never mind.
Not beyond “Look, yet another hypocritical moralising Conservative”, no.
The no-talent-half-wit Tinsley (well, that description fits every wingnut entertainer) made a living flogging the Chappaquiddick horse on his wretched Bloom County rip-off. He’s getting his just desserts.
Well, no need to continue discussion here. I think the definitive post on the subject has been made by the inestimable TBOGG.
But, apropos of pedugger, a close runner up is the Nitpicker caption contest!
But boy, Tinsley’s mug shot looks amazingly like what I’d pictured for someone so obviously sour and grim.
Tinsley has drawn literally dozens of strips accusing Sen. Kennedy of being an alcoholic. Not exactly the best person to compare rap sheets, Brucie.
I didn’t realize that Tinsley’s DUI magically makes Kennedy a non-alcoholic.
The most hilarious thing is reading a bunch of yahoos who say something is automatically “not funny” when it pokes fun at liberals and liberalism. All it tells me is that such people don’t have a sense of humor.
“I didn’t realize that Tinsley’s DUI magically makes Kennedy a non-alcoholic.”
Yes, because that was August’s point: Tinsley’s arrest magically makes Kennedy a non-alcoholic. You’re an idiot Jay. A total idiot.
August said
“Tinsley has drawn literally dozens of strips accusing Sen. Kennedy of being an alcoholic. Not exactly the best person to compare rap sheets, Brucie.”
I think the progressives are right on this one. Tinsley would have to had killed an innocent young woman and then wandered away in a drunken alcholic stupor to fret about the impact of this accident on his precious career, perhaps even cursing the frantic scratchings coming from inside the car – before the rap sheets would be comparable.
“The most hilarious thing is reading a bunch of yahoos who say something is automatically “not funny” when it pokes fun at liberals and liberalism. All it tells me is that such people don’t have a sense of humor.”
Not so Jay. Conservative humor is not funny because it sucks.
Jay,
Maybe, there’s the possibility that Mallard Fillmore really is considered unfunny by most people, ever consider that?
Heck, I’ve got the impression that most conservatives don’t really like it all that much either. I’ve seen lots of blogs that reprint stuff like that “Day by Day” strip, but never one that reprints Fillmore, or even any comment that speaks positively of the strip.
First funny Mallard Fillmore strip EVER at
http://www.apj.us/20061212PSI.html
Cuz Day by Day is HILARIOUS!
Fillmore’s mostly printed, from what I understand, to “balance out” all the left-wing librul commie comics that usually aren’t there at all in the first place.
It’s funnies-page affirmative action.
Man, I’ve rarely seen one thread attract so many conservative fallacies at once! Where to begin?
One word: Kennedy (You pick the sot of interest)
If Kennedy were in the habit of poking fun at other people with drinking problems, then maybe we’d be pointing and giggling at him too.
OW extrapolates a single cartoonist’s drunk driving bust to “conservatives”.
No, he adds Tinsley to an endless list of hypocritical conservative scolds: Swaggart, Bakker, Gingrich, Livingston, Barr, Foley, Bennet, Bush, those bible-thumping cretins in Colorado whose names I forget, etc. etc. It’s that ample sample that allows us to generalize about “conservatives”.
1) Bush is dumb!
2) Bush lied!
3) Bush hates the Bill of Rights!
At least we complain about things that are less than 30 years in the past!
I didn’t realize that Tinsley’s DUI magically makes Kennedy a non-alcoholic.
Nobody’s saying that. What is does do is make Tinsley a hypocrite.
bunch of yahoos who say something is automatically “not funny” when it pokes fun at liberals and liberalism.
no, we say it’s “not funny” when we read the strip and find that it is, in fact, not funny. Rare though it may be, I have seen and heard some conservative humor that is genuinely funny. “Mallard Fillmore” does not cut it.
“Mallard Fillmore” is so Unfunny that it’s beyond “so Unfunny it’s funny”. In fact, it’s so Uunfunny as to be unreadable. Yuck.
If conservatives find Mallard Fillmore and “Michael Moore is FAT” to be funny, I find conservatives to be sick fucks.
But then I find conservatives to be sick fucks anyway.
And are demonstrably true.
I’d never heard of “Day by Day”, so I googled it up. Yep, totally tone deaf in the funny bone.
On the other hand, it does offer some nice cartoon cheesecake.
Yes, because that was August’s point: Tinsley’s arrest magically makes Kennedy a non-alcoholic. You’re an idiot Jay. A total idiot.
Of course your tiny mind cannot comprehend what my point was. What it means is that Tinsley’s DUI is not relevant to Ted Kennedy being a drunk.
Maybe, there’s the possibility that Mallard Fillmore really is considered unfunny by most people, ever consider that?
Sorry Sundown, but it didn’t stop at Mallard Fillmore. And this isn’t directed at all liberals or Democrats. Many have a good enough time laughing at their own expense. But others (like Frameone for example) come off like people who have had their Cheerios pissed in on a daily basis. Let’s go down a short list of the others I’ve seen where the Frameones just shout “NOT FUNNY!!”:
Day By Day
PJ O’Rourke? Totally unfunny to the left.
Dennis Miller? Used to be funny. Once he became a quasi-Bush supporter? No longer funny.
Howard Stern? Was funny. Became Bush supporter after 9/11. Suddenly wasn’t funny anymore. Reverses and becomes John Kerry supporter. Ta-da! He’s funny again.
It is rather pathetic for people to live in such a box that they cannot poke fun at themselves from time to time. That is what I see from the people that reject any humor directed at liberals or liberalism. And vice-versa for conservatives who automatically say humor directed at conservatism or conservatives is not funny.
Shorter Jay: I’m right because I said so, and here’s what I said again to prove it.
Shorter Nimrod: I have no real response.
I have nothing to respond to.
“What it means is that Tinsley’s DUI is not relevant to Ted Kennedy being a drunk.”
You are now officially the stupidest person on the planet.
Jay, August’s point was that it’s a little hypocritical from Tinsely to be making fun of Kennedy’s notorious drinking when he himself has a drinking problem.
And don’t give me any shit about a DUI not being evidence of a drinking problem. If you’re drinking and driving, you’ve got a problem with alcohol.
For the record, I like O’Rourke, and never liked Stern irrespective of his political stripe. Miller can be funny when he’s not going so far overboard with the convoluted academic similies that he’s like Maynard G Krebbs purchasing Loofah Sponges in bulk from the cashier at an All-you-can-eat Buffet in downtown Minneapolis at 3:17 in the morning because he needs to repaint his garage to appease the molemen in the homeowners association with the barbecue deoxyribonucleaic thunderbolt Queequeg harbinger cadillac potato.
Part of the problem with political humor in this stripe though is that the punchline to any “anti-liberal” joke is “liberals lie! Haw!” or “Liberals are dumb! Haw” or “Liberals are less than human! Haw!” kind of things. This is what passes for Ann Coulter’s brand of humor (I meant to put quotes up around humor, but the quote marks refused to be seen in the same sentance as the name Ann Coulter, so I honored their request to leave them out, but rest assured, they are there in spirit) where the joke is not intended to make anyone laugh at the joke itself, at its construction or absurdity, but just at the object of derision.
Look, I’m a white guy and Ive laughed at racist jokes before. They were funny jokes is why. Doesnt have a thing to do with being ostensibly anti-black or whatever, I’m not laughing because I too am anti-black (I’m not) but because the humor is actually funny. O’Rourke manages to be political and funny because he really does seem to respect both sides, and in truth makes fun of both in approximate equality (this is my view, I havent read too much of him) and Coulter is, by comparison, not funny and just rather hostile. Look, here’s an example using a very old joke in how both people would approach it:
O’Rourke – “What do you call 10 liberals at the bottom of a well? A good start.”
Coulter – “I want Liberals to drown.”
Its not an issue of politics, its an issue of actually being funny. The sad thing is though that the unfunny, untrue, unprofessional, undead Coulter sells better than O’Rourke could ever hope to these days.
Jay,
Ditto for right-wingers and Stephen Colbert.
Actually, with regard to humor, it seems that there’s a segment of people out there who think that advocating a violent act, and then saying “I’m just kidding”, is funny. I can’t fathom how anyone could find that funny.
But some people do. And it seems they’re all far right-wingers. (i.e. Coulter’s “let’s poison judges, oh that’s a joke by the way” statement).
Actually, hardline right-wingers seem to prefer saying that not only do they not find Steven Colbert funny, but no-one else does either BECAUSE WE ARE NEVER WRONG.
As far as Mallard is concerned, here’s what Tinsley thought would be appropriate to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks.
http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComick.mpl?date=20060911&name=Mallard_Fillmore
O’Rourke is frequently funny. So’s Christopher Buckley. Sterne almost never. Miller is usually funny except when he’s piously mouthing his opsimathic pantywaste bombshelter conservatism (ooh, 9-11 made me fraid, so I want some real man to go kill arabs for me!). I’ve bust a gut laughing over some conservative humor. http://www.nicedoggie.net: positively Aristophanic! I once spewed a mouthful of starbucks’ best over my windshield at one of Rush Limbaugh’s parody songs (yes! I was DWC – driving while caffeinated!).
Funny’s funny, whether conservative, liberal, libertarian, communist. Mallard Fillmore? Not funny.
Disagree, Jay? What, in your opinion is the funniest Mallard Fillmore strip? If you can’t find it on the net for us, just paraphrase it.
I think the best bit about this thread has to be Dugger’s argument that Kennedy got the kind of dui that gets people killed while Tinsley got the non-homicidal variety of dui.
You see, it’s not driving while under the influence that’s the problem, it’s driving under the wrong kind of influence.
duh.
“PJ O’Rourke? Totally unfunny to the left.”
I like him. I don’t agree with his politics, but he’s still funny.
“Dennis Miller? Used to be funny. Once he became a quasi-Bush supporter? No longer funny.”
Used to be funny, then he because a racist asshole. Now he’s not funny.
“Howard Stern?”
Never thought he was funny.
So you are 1 for 3, and even that one I would dispute your conclusion.
“And don’t give me any shit about a DUI not being evidence of a drinking problem. If you’re drinking and driving, you’ve got a problem with alcohol.”
I would disagree here, slightly. 1 DUI is not evidence of a drinking problem. Two drunk offences in four months certainly is.
Yup, all those Democratic sinners like Clinton and Kennedy are causing some of the finest young Republicans like Dubya, Newt, Haggard, Abramoff, and DeLay to fall from the Path of Righteousness.
You can commiserate with the poor old Mallard here mallardmail@yahoo.com
O’Rourke and Stern are funny, though the “classic” versions (early 1970s National Lampoon for O’Rourke, early 1990s for Stern). Everyone should read Parliament of Whores. Miller used to be funny — I saw him live at the University of Missouri in 1993, at a Greek-sponsored event, and he started dumping on frat boys. He’s ranting just for the sake of ranting nowadays.
s/b “classic versions were funnier”
“1 DUI is not evidence of a drinking problem.”
Dude, being willing even once to risk killing someone or yourself or both because you’re too fucked up to call a cab means you’ve got a problem with alcohol.
It might just mean you have a problem with being a complete fucking imbecile, but you have a point.
“so’s Christopher Buckley.”
Wilbur,
Discriminating choice. A lot of my liberal amigos like Buckley especially Thank You etc. and the book about the aliens. Buckley tends to poke fun at his own side liberally – also. That helps.
Flag on the moon. How did it get there?
Is May ancient history, too?
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The difference being that Patrick (probably because of who his father is) doesn’t moralise about things like that, and he’s remained mostly humble and repentant about his mental and addiction problems.
Tuco, the point isn’t that Tinsley, the Kennedys or anyone of any political stripe may have a problem with alcohol.
The point is that asshats like Tinsley take cheap potshots at Kennedys who drink when they themselves have a problem with alcohol. On the larger scheme of things, as others have pointed out, the Dems or liberals in general don’t tend to make moralizing about shit like this a central part of their campaigns/slash cultural appeal.
So if you want to find a comprable example, you have to do more than find a drunk liberal.
You have to find a drunk liberal who spends a lot of time either making fun of drunk republicans, sermonizing about the moral value of moderation or both. Do that you and you have a case.
Otherwise, you, like Jay, are just embrassing yourself.
@ Jay:
Day by Day – not funny.
Norbizness making fun of Day by Day – pure gold.
Buh…buh…but, frame! Tinsley had his pants on when he was drunk! Not like one of them Kennedy fellers!
PJ O’Rourke? Totally unfunny to the left.
Quite the opposite… in any conversation about the inherent unfunniness of conservatives, liberals will always say something along the lines of, “PJ O’Rourke is the only funny conservative humorist.” digby agrees with me.
Tinsley– not funny. Was never funny. A living testament to tom Tomorrow’s adage that conservatives write as though they’ve “heard of satire, but never experienced it first-hand.”
I think the thing that the conservatives here don’t realize (suprise suprise), is that drinking problem != alcoholism. Sure, Tinsley may not be an alcoholic, but by drinking and driving, he’s being an irresponsible drinker, and thus has a drinking problem.
Also, it’s funny how conservatives remember something that happened 20 years before I was even born, but don’t remember Gary Condit.