Comments on: Conservatives Are Wrong On Everything

By: frameone

frameone — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:11:13 +0000

Um, FD, did you pay attention to what you were writing when you wrote it? You wrote, “Burnham suggests in “The Suicide of the West” that ideology comes from one’s personal psychology.”

“Come from” implies that personal psychology precedes ideology. You must not have been paying attention when you wrote that because you totally contradicted yourself in your response. We enter into ideology even before we’re conscious of ourselves as children. Ideology permeates language itself and structures our relationship to the world from the very beginning.

If you’re arguing Burnham’s position you aren’t doing a very good job. If you aren’t, Burnham is a reactionary idiot.

By: dr pedro

dr pedro — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:47:33 +0000

Hey, has the AP come up with the putative police captain yet?

Ollie?

Anyone?

Bueller?

No? But,but,but….Ollie said the conservatives are wrong about EVERYTHING!

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:16:58 +0000

Quaker, Bozell is a commentator — he has never hidden his bias.

No, he hasn’t. And, ironically, he’s a commentator on the subject of bias! My point is that he does not follow the cool, rational analysis you ascribe to conservatives.

By: fd10801

fd10801 — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 05:45:22 +0000

Gee - frameone used the word “implicit”. He must be smart. Try this, numskull: psychology and ideology come from without. Neither is hard wired, genetic, congenital, or instinctual.
Ideology, being a combination of (one’s own and others’) ideas plus (one’s own and others’) mores, comes, perforce, from “without”, as you put it.
Assuming that you were correct in saying that ideology comes from without — and I emphasize that that is irrelevant — that still wouldn’t mean that ideology influences psychology which also comes from without (unless you were born with a fully functioning brain — unlike any other newborn baby on the planet).
One thing I’m absolutely sure of: Anyone who calls James Burnham an idiot has never heard of him, never read him, AND is an idiot.

By: Cointreau

Cointreau — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:10:19 +0000

“Kennedy cut the top tax rate for the wealthy significantly AND he eliminated many of the loop holes that kept the folks who were subject to those rates from actually paying them. The net result was a nice increase in collected taxes.”

I love this one. The pedophile junkie of the EIB network used this line almost as often as he used hillbilly heroin and banged kids in the Dominican Republic, so his mouth-breather followers feel it bears repeating.

Just be sure to ignore that little short-term economic engine called the Vietnam “conflict.” Rinse, then repeat and you’ve got the Reagan economic “revolution.”

Funny thing is, both were followed by the entirely predictable, inevitable, and unforgivable economic disaster for those too low in the economic pecking order to profit from the bloodshed and wasted money.

Typical wingnut blindsight.

By: Jay Tea

Jay Tea — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:10:26 +0000

Close, Nimrod. I’d say it’s “something only Conservatives do well.” Because I didn’t see any intended humor in Oliver’s original article — just his standard hyper-partisan bombast and bluster.

The guy has a sense of humor, on occasion. But it’s not in evidence here. If the title was intended for comic effect, it would be the only touch of humor in the whole thing.

By: Nimrod Gently

Nimrod Gently — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:33:46 +0000

Hyperbole for comic effect is clearly something only Conservatives do.

By: Jay Tea

Jay Tea — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:25:25 +0000

Gee, frame, I dunno where us idiots get that idea. Perhaps you should ask our gracious host, who opined that “Conservatives Are Wrong On Everything” at the very top of this posting.

By: frameone

frameone — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:23:33 +0000

Idieology doesn’t “come from”
one’s personal psychology. It shapes one’s personal pyschology. Why? Because ideology comes from without to within, not the other way around. That’s pretty much implicit in the very definition of ideology. Which is why you guys are probably so stupid. You’re reading idiots.

By: fd10801

fd10801 — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:18:19 +0000

frame, that statement was irony at its best…
Quaker, Bozell is a commentator — he has never hidden his bias.
mikefromtexas, I think I said that already.
Ideology is a belief and, as such, reflects the viewpoint of the believer. Burnham suggests in “The Suicide of the West” that ideology comes from one’s personal psychology, and thus it is nearly impossible to change your point of view — or anybody else’s

By: mikefromtexas

mikefromtexas — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:16:51 +0000

Note to trolls: The TRUTH has a liberal bias. With that settled, why don’t you nice little boys go play on the freeway.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 07:42:09 +0000

A conservative points to headline placement, priority of subjects covered, “editorializing” in news items, and says the mainstream media is slanted to the left.

Yup. That sounds just like Brent Bozell to me.

By: frameone

frameone — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:08:39 +0000

“First, and most important, the left will never concede that a differing or opposing view has any validity or worth.”

Where do you idiots get this shit?

By: z adura

z adura — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 04:56:22 +0000

Brooks is as conservative as they come, but there was a time less than 10 years ago when Krugman was considered conservative . I know that will surprise the historically-challenged conservatives here at OW, but he is and always has been a strong proponent of market globalization and trade liberalization. This made him very unpopular with economic nationalists and anti-free traders.

The fact that he has a serious objection to Bush and other authoritarian conservatives doesn’t necessarily make him liberal — it just makes him principled.

By: fd10801

fd10801 — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 04:51:07 +0000

I think this argument will never end because of two things: First, and most important, the left will never concede that a differing or opposing view has any validity or worth. Therefore, they work with the assumption that their beliefs are “truths”. So news slanted to the Left is, to them, simply the truth.
Secondly, they have simply reframed their side of the debate: A conservative points to headline placement, priority of subjects covered, “editorializing” in news items, and says the mainstream media is slanted to the left.
A liberal points to corporate ownership, lip service given to impartiality (how many liberal journalists have you heard say, “I may be a liberal, but I report the news objectively”?), and the careful placement of moderates and conservatives on their staffs, and argues that there is no bias.
In effect the conservative argues A,B, and C; while the liberal argues D,E, and F. Neither refutes the other.

By: frameone

frameone — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:55:05 +0000

“NY Times Left (Krugman, Kristoff, even their conservative, Brooks, is liberal-ish)”

Krugman? Kristoff? Brooks?
What did you do look at the editorial pages to determine which outlest leans in which direction? And Brooks is liberal-ish? And that’s because he lives in New York, right? Are you kidding me? Gawd you’re an idiot.

What a total fugger.

By: Nimrod Gently

Nimrod Gently — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:47:57 +0000

Is there a word for that thing where you move your finger up and down your lips and make a “brblrbrbl” noise? Because Dugger always makes me think of that.

By: Oliver

Oliver — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:16:48 +0000

Dugger, there’s no thinking involved. You make an assertion with no evidence. Someone refutes your assertion and backs it up with facts. You respond by restating your original assertion. It’s like the tar baby from B’rer Rabbit.

By: Duros62

Duros62 — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:50:12 +0000

Well, of course I disagree with the assumptions. Your assumptions are that the MSM is biased. then you prove it to yourself.
Very scientific.

By: midderpidge

midderpidge — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:12:11 +0000

There is a huge disconnect in the bias however Dugger. Fox news is blatantly concerned with conservative and republican agendas. NBC has a slight bias in issue reporting. Its like 6 people whispering liberal, 3 people whispering conservative and one guy screaming CONSERVATIVE at the top of his lungs. Yeah, its a 6-4 split liberal but not a 6-4 split noise wise.