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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51476</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I didn&#039;t realize I had a team.&lt;/em&gt;

Disunity! Disunity!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I didn&#8217;t realize I had a team.</em></p>
<p>Disunity! Disunity!</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51475</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;right-wing colleague&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I didn&#039;t realize I had a team. Or does stereotyping make it easier for you to manage?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>right-wing colleague</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize I had a team. Or does stereotyping make it easier for you to manage?</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51474</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;They&#039;re deciding if the EPA currently &lt;strong&gt;has the authority&lt;/strong&gt; to regulate greenhouse gas emmisions.&lt;/em&gt;

JWG, it wasn&#039;t nice to embarrass your right-wing colleague fd100 that way.

See, fd100 was pretending that lefties want the Supreme Court to weigh in on the &lt;em&gt;science&lt;/em&gt; of global warming. But then you had to go and pull back the curtain and show that fd100 was all bluster. According to you, the Supremes are just deciding the boundaries of the EPA&#039;s &lt;em&gt;authority&lt;/em&gt;.

Disunity in the ranks?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>They&#8217;re deciding if the EPA currently <strong>has the authority</strong> to regulate greenhouse gas emmisions.</em></p>
<p>JWG, it wasn&#8217;t nice to embarrass your right-wing colleague fd100 that way.</p>
<p>See, fd100 was pretending that lefties want the Supreme Court to weigh in on the <em>science</em> of global warming. But then you had to go and pull back the curtain and show that fd100 was all bluster. According to you, the Supremes are just deciding the boundaries of the EPA&#8217;s <em>authority</em>.</p>
<p>Disunity in the ranks?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51473</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go on the deflection, though, JWG.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go on the deflection, though, JWG.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51472</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hmmm...I&#039;m thinking that if someone on the right used this in an argument, he&#039;d be attacked mercilessly&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, facrssakes, don&#039;t be so dense. You&#039;re using death as a political stratagem, now? People die. Period.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hmmm&#8230;I&#8217;m thinking that if someone on the right used this in an argument, he&#8217;d be attacked mercilessly</i></p>
<p>Oh, facrssakes, don&#8217;t be so dense. You&#8217;re using death as a political stratagem, now? People die. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51471</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;are now being called on to expound on climatology&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They&#039;re deciding if the EPA currently has the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emmisions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>are now being called on to expound on climatology</p></blockquote>
<p>They&#8217;re deciding if the EPA currently has the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emmisions.</p>
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		<title>By: fd10801</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51470</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nation certainly has fallen when the members of the Supreme Court, previously appointed for their expertise on obstetrics, are now being called on to expound on climatology.
What have we done?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nation certainly has fallen when the members of the Supreme Court, previously appointed for their expertise on obstetrics, are now being called on to expound on climatology.<br />
What have we done?</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51469</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Millions of people are gonna die every year whether we like it or not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmmm...I&#039;m thinking that if someone on the right used this in an argument, he&#039;d be attacked mercilessly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Millions of people are gonna die every year whether we like it or not.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;I&#8217;m thinking that if someone on the right used this in an argument, he&#8217;d be attacked mercilessly.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51468</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s a hard concept to comprehend, in this society of microwave friggin&#039; bacon, how there is no instant gratification to global warming, but, come on; geologically speaking, mankind is so the new kid.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s a hard concept to comprehend, in this society of microwave friggin&#8217; bacon, how there is no instant gratification to global warming, but, come on; geologically speaking, mankind is so the new kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51467</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it might be important to think ahead, for future generations, where it might make sense not to make a bad situation worse. Millions of people are gonna die every year whether we like it or not. Inequities of wealth and power will continue until this little blue marble gets swallowed by the sun. And people will continue to die. If we make changes to how we treat the environment &lt;b&gt;now&lt;/b&gt;, it could effect how your grandkids treat it later. That&#039;s all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it might be important to think ahead, for future generations, where it might make sense not to make a bad situation worse. Millions of people are gonna die every year whether we like it or not. Inequities of wealth and power will continue until this little blue marble gets swallowed by the sun. And people will continue to die. If we make changes to how we treat the environment <b>now</b>, it could effect how your grandkids treat it later. That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51466</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But it sounded like you&#039;re saying we are doing nothing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I am saying we need to prioritize how we spend money. Why should we spend trillions of dollars to try to affect climate change when the very same scientific consensus is that the temperatures will continue to rise, ice will continue to melt, and oceans will continue to rise for centuries?

Why would we spend trillions to do so little when that money could do something real for millions of people who die every year right now?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But it sounded like you&#8217;re saying we are doing nothing.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am saying we need to prioritize how we spend money. Why should we spend trillions of dollars to try to affect climate change when the very same scientific consensus is that the temperatures will continue to rise, ice will continue to melt, and oceans will continue to rise for centuries?</p>
<p>Why would we spend trillions to do so little when that money could do something real for millions of people who die every year right now?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51465</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that if companies were greener, there would, de facto, be fewer environmental quality issues.
I&#039;m just sayin&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that if companies were greener, there would, de facto, be fewer environmental quality issues.<br />
I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51464</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t say that. We could do more. But it sounded like you&#039;re saying we are doing nothing. I call bullshit.
That is all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t say that. We could do more. But it sounded like you&#8217;re saying we are doing nothing. I call bullshit.<br />
That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51463</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What, and we&#039;re not doing that? Bullshit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, so you&#039;re happy with the effort we&#039;re currently making? Wow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What, and we&#8217;re not doing that? Bullshit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, so you&#8217;re happy with the effort we&#8217;re currently making? Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51462</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The multi-millions who die yearly due to poor water quality, insect-borne illnesses, and other enviromental quality issues that we can currently treat.&lt;/i&gt;

What, and we&#039;re not doing that? Bullshit.
And Pedro, I have, in fact, revised my opinion of nuclear energy. As long as we can do it safely, reverse the restrictions on spent fuel rods and re-use them instead of hitting the landfill, and not go with the lowest bidder for construction, yeah, I&#039;m ok with it. France has more nuclear plants than any other nation. They are all built to the same specs with the same materials and have never had an accident. We should work on that. Of course, we can&#039;t even get the high-speed trains to work in this country for some reason.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The multi-millions who die yearly due to poor water quality, insect-borne illnesses, and other enviromental quality issues that we can currently treat.</i></p>
<p>What, and we&#8217;re not doing that? Bullshit.<br />
And Pedro, I have, in fact, revised my opinion of nuclear energy. As long as we can do it safely, reverse the restrictions on spent fuel rods and re-use them instead of hitting the landfill, and not go with the lowest bidder for construction, yeah, I&#8217;m ok with it. France has more nuclear plants than any other nation. They are all built to the same specs with the same materials and have never had an accident. We should work on that. Of course, we can&#8217;t even get the high-speed trains to work in this country for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: dr pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51461</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so seriously duros and bill...

You guys are both fighting for more nuclear power plants right?  Because there is no argument (ooh...I love that lefty ploy!)that nuclear power is the most carbon friendly way to fuel a modern society, right?

Cause if you do, then count me a true believer, as I want to do that too!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so seriously duros and bill&#8230;</p>
<p>You guys are both fighting for more nuclear power plants right?  Because there is no argument (ooh&#8230;I love that lefty ploy!)that nuclear power is the most carbon friendly way to fuel a modern society, right?</p>
<p>Cause if you do, then count me a true believer, as I want to do that too!</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51460</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Curious, who are the room full of desperate people in this analogy?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The multi-millions who die yearly due to poor water quality, insect-borne illnesses, and other enviromental quality issues that we can currently treat.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Curious, who are the room full of desperate people in this analogy?</p></blockquote>
<p>The multi-millions who die yearly due to poor water quality, insect-borne illnesses, and other enviromental quality issues that we can currently treat.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51459</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You have a room full of people who are desparate for help and you want to spend all your resources...&lt;/i&gt;

Curious, who are the room full of desperate people in this analogy? Troops in Iraq?

&lt;i&gt;I like wearing shorts.&lt;/i&gt;

Yuk it up, guys. I&#039;m sure your great-grandchildren will find it amusing also. when they&#039;re living underground or something.

Hey I can make shit up too!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You have a room full of people who are desparate for help and you want to spend all your resources&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Curious, who are the room full of desperate people in this analogy? Troops in Iraq?</p>
<p><i>I like wearing shorts.</i></p>
<p>Yuk it up, guys. I&#8217;m sure your great-grandchildren will find it amusing also. when they&#8217;re living underground or something.</p>
<p>Hey I can make shit up too!</p>
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		<title>By: dr pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and don&#039;t forget sandals JWG, I like sandals....oooh...and hawaiian shirts!  those are cool...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and don&#8217;t forget sandals JWG, I like sandals&#8230;.oooh&#8230;and hawaiian shirts!  those are cool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/29/how-far-a-nation-falls/#comment-51457</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JWG, here is where you go from critic to pathetic hack...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, please. Let&#039;s continue your medical analogy. You have a room full of people who are desparate for help and you want to spend all your resources on the one patient who is not terminal and who will CONTINUE showing symptoms no matter how much you do with current technology.

Hey! Let&#039;s spend trillions of dollars doing nothing to significantly alter the climate!
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is investment in any other business seen as just that, an investment, but money sunk into clean energy and pollution control is seen as lost to some nether worldy liberal black hole.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Investment good. Goverment regulation bad.
&lt;blockquote&gt;a laptop and the system regulates its power based on need&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Good. I guess the manufacturing that went into the laptop was green as well? Mining the minerals? Processing the plastic? Transporting the materials and finished product? How about disposal -- any idea how many toxins are in a disposed laptop?
&lt;blockquote&gt;What are you doing?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Trying to heat up the Earth just like everyone else. I like wearing shorts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JWG, here is where you go from critic to pathetic hack&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, please. Let&#8217;s continue your medical analogy. You have a room full of people who are desparate for help and you want to spend all your resources on the one patient who is not terminal and who will CONTINUE showing symptoms no matter how much you do with current technology.</p>
<p>Hey! Let&#8217;s spend trillions of dollars doing nothing to significantly alter the climate!</p>
<blockquote><p>Why is investment in any other business seen as just that, an investment, but money sunk into clean energy and pollution control is seen as lost to some nether worldy liberal black hole.</p></blockquote>
<p>Investment good. Goverment regulation bad.</p>
<blockquote><p>a laptop and the system regulates its power based on need</p></blockquote>
<p>Good. I guess the manufacturing that went into the laptop was green as well? Mining the minerals? Processing the plastic? Transporting the materials and finished product? How about disposal &#8212; any idea how many toxins are in a disposed laptop?</p>
<blockquote><p>What are you doing?</p></blockquote>
<p>Trying to heat up the Earth just like everyone else. I like wearing shorts.</p>
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