Democratic senator-elect Jim Webb is rising to the occasion already.
At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing.
Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who heard about the exchange from Webb.
“I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing,” Bush retorted, according to the source.
Webb confessed that he was so angered by this that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief, reported the source, but of course didn’t. It’s safe to say, however, that Bush and Webb won’t be taking any overseas trips together anytime soon.
It’s always funny how prickly and put-off Bush acts when somebody dares to pierce his idiotic little bubble his mommy and daddy created for him where nobody says anything bad about him and he’s the bestest president ever.
He shouldn’t have slugged Bush. He should have turned him over his knee and swatted his spoiled chickenhawk hiney.
Maybe if Bush 41 had done that a little more often 50+ years ago we wouldn’t be where we are today.
I suppose it could have been worse for 43. His “retort” was acerbic and insensitive, sure, but he could have said:
“I know how you feel. I wish my daughters would return home from their party in South America. Did you hear one of their purses was snatched?! It’s amazing how dangerous it is down there.”
Hear that sound? That’s the sound of left – wing heads bouncing off trees as they look for the forest.
Bush was asking a question any parent would ask another parent; Webb answered as an ideologically driven hack.
Point to Bush.
Webb probably wants to see his son “brought back home,” because he (his son) doesn’t want to come home until the job is done, unlike his father, who is an idiot.
Yes, because some random idiot right-winger knows what Jim Webb’s son thinks more than freaking… Jim Webb.
That’s why I said “probably”, and you still don’t think that Webb was being rude.
Webb was being a first class jerk. Can’t he for just one moment put harsh partisan politics on the back burner and be a decent human being.
For you Bush haters, will Webb be equally as rude and harsh to all those millionaire Democratic senators who voted for the war.
Dugger, Would not a decent human being at least pretend to share the pain of a parent who wants their son to come home safely from Iraq. Bush’s response says more about him than Webb.
Maybe the President was saying, “I wasn’t asking about you, you self – centered, ideologically driven, partisan hack; I was asking about your son, you dopey jimoke!”
But I’m not a mind – reader…
(A) Is this where we start talking about how Webb, the ex-Marine, doesn’t support the troops?
(B) “Victory” and “finishing the job” are phrases tossed around cavalierly by Bush and his online lackies, but not a one of them can explain what it means outside of their discarded pipe dreams.
So tell me, will the job be done once Iraq is able to stand on its own with help from its good neighbors Iran and Syria? Is that what Jim Webb’s son is fighting to accomplish? A new three-nation caliphate run by religious extremists and ineffectual stewards?
Also, this was meant to be a private exchange, not a public debate. Why engage in “partisan hackery” when you don’t believe you’re going to be quoted?
JL
Even a decent human being, which Bush is (you don’t deny that, right?), could be irritated by a harsh, snide partisan-political motivated response to a friendly conversational question. BTW, Webbs kid, like many of us, volunteered. When you volunteer, you do so accepting you could be sent in harm’s way. Webb is hypocritical and way out of line, IMO.
Webb was being an idiot. There’s a time and place to trot out the “bring them home” speech. This wasn’t one of them.
While I agree that nobody but a stupid harsh partisan political hack would possibly be so concerned about his son’s wellbeing as a military man in a war that seems not to be improving at any significant rate (clearly nobody but a left-shtapo lefty liberal leftist leftocrat would wand to see his son come back home alive and well) since we dont actually have the quote of what Webb said isnt it a little hard to critisize hom for being the bastard that he definately is for expressing concern over his sons wellbeing? He might have said “Well he’s doing well enough last I heard from him, but I’ll be glad to have him back home and safe,” which is a little harder to critisize. Of course if Webb had been honest and forthright you’d be attacking him for that too no doubt.
“How’s your son doing?”
“He’s getting shot at in the desert.”
It wasn’t a speech, and frankly, Webb’s within his rights to say something to the man who put his son in harm’s way with no plan to get him out. As it was, he was much more restrained than he could have been.
Yea those democrats….really working to unite the country.
Webb is about to learn a valuable lesson: Washington politics is a team sport. Expect to see a webb slapdown by the democrats in the near future…
Yeah, that Webb sure is a jerk. What a horrible thing to do, express concern for your son.
1.)Bush is a decent person? based on what evidence? is endorsement of torture? His destructive and divisive foreign, environmental, and domestic policies? What makes him a decent fella? He’s “decent” when it suits him and at no other time.
2.)Webb’s concern for his son is political? Bush couldn’t have said something along the lines of “I share your concerns, and I don’t want to put anyone soldier or civilian in harm’s way a minute longer than I absolutely have to. We may differ on how to best get the job done in Iraq, but know that I am working to find a way to someday bring your son home safely.” Of course, that would require Bush to be diplomatic, and the past 6 years have been nothing if instructive on that count. In fact, the only reason this incident is getting any attention at all is because Bush handles all criticism with the insulated trust fund baby attitude that’s worked so well his whole life.
When Webb’s son volunteered he did so in the belief that his commander wouldn’t put him in harm’s way to serve a destructive ideological agenda by horribly destabilizing an entire region of the globe.
“Washington politics is a team sport.”
Can’t we all just get along? Funny what losing a major election does to the losing team’s rhetoric. On the one hand, we’re just a bunch of terrorist, lefty communist tree huggers who hate America, on the other hand “Webb is a meany, we just wanted to play nice wit’ you.”
Last I checked, pedro, the country was mostly united in wanting Jim Webb’s son, as well as the sons and daughters of their other countrymen, to be brought home. Preferably alive and in one piece.
“I didn’t ask you that; I asked ______”
This had better be a staple at White House press conferences from here on out.
I love that concern for your son’s well being in a war zone is “partisan”.
Wow. It would seem to me that one inappropriate response was followed by another. I think both Webb and the President could have done better in this situation.
Anyone have any theories why this private exchange was presented to the press? Seems like Webb himself did it. Whose game here?
Eh. I understand why he said what he said, but I think Webb could have handled it with a bit more grace.
–|PW|–
Oh, dear, dear.
A former Marine expresses concern about his son, deployed in Iraq and gives voice to his hope that the son will come home safely. This displeases the little emperor, so now we’re treated to clucking about civility from the usual suspects?
You have short memories, friends.
Rex, Straw man. Webb can be concerned about his son all he wants, but his son volunteered. All presidents send men in harms way -all presidents. Webb,a partisan poitician, chose to respond to a friendly remark with a partisan political snipe – using his son’s volunteered service as a lever. Shame on him. He’s a jerk and a hypocrite.
BD, What do Webbs’ ‘right’s have to do with it. His remarks were nasty, divisve and disrepsectful
Anyone. Will Webb now pledge to vote against any action or bill, that sends an American serviceman, secret service man, marshall or anybody else in harms way. If so, I withdraw the ‘jerk’ remark. If not, he’s hypocritical jerk and kudos for Bush for shoving that sanctimonoius crap right back in his piehole.
Webb,a partisan poitician, chose to respond to a friendly remark with a partisan political snipe – using his son’s volunteered service as a lever. Shame on him. He’s a jerk and a hypocrite.
What? The man wants his son home safely? And he dares say so to the man who asks?
Scoundrel!
Will Webb now pledge to vote against any action or bill, that sends an American serviceman, secret service man, marshall or anybody else in harms way.
I doubt it, because I think he [Webb]’s smart enough to see the difference between necessary action and whatever the hell is going on in Iraq.
dr pedro,
Just because you’re a lousy parent who doesn’t care about your son(s) doesn’t mean that Webb is.
Dug, I realise he volunteered. I realise he volunteered to be in an the military. I realise he volunteered to be in the military and risk being sent to a war and face hazards to his life. I do not understand how volunteering to be sent into battle precludes familian concern for wellbeing. Seriously, if I were to volunteer and got sent over to the desert, I’d kind of expect people to worry about me and want me to come back soon and safely. You were in the military, right Dug? Would you have taken any solace in having for instance your father express no real opinion on wanting you home or not?
“How’s your son doing Mr. Papa-dug?”
“Meh… Well I mean theres a war and all but… meh…”
“Oh… well I certainly hope he comes safe.”
“Well thats your own lookout I suppose, I refuse to express an opinion, since doing so would make me a snarky partisan, but you go and have an opinion on my son’s wellbeing if you like.” Seriously?
Look, lets be a little real about this, what answer would have possibly been both “acceptable” and honest in this context? He’s in a warzone, so “fine” doesnt quite cut it really, so what?
“Not well I suppose, you know, what with being shot at constantly and all…”
“Not at his best, given that he’s in a desert on the otherside of the earth full of people who want him dead…”
“Well given that he hasn’t been killed by the people we’re ostensibly protecting YET, I think he’s doing awesome by comparison.”
But then as I say before we dont have a quote of what Webb said, and if it were something like “Well enough considering, but I’d like to have him home safe for Xmas” or something that would have to be, frankly, the least divisive comment he could make.
“Divisive”?
It was an exchange between two men, not a speech. “Contentious,” perhaps, but “divisive” implies that his remarks were on the record and that he expected the reaction he received; and would then attempt to spin it for the public.
how about this response rex
“How’s your son?”
“He is doing well sir, I hope to have him home soon….”
In fact, it would have probably shown more concern for his son and less for his political aspirations had he done as I suggested. What he did just riles up the Kos’tards.
My method would actually involve the president of the united states personally in my son’s well being…
All presidents send men in harms way -all presidents.
True. But the other presidents didn’t do it just so they could play with the toys.
“He is doing well sir, I hope to have him home soon….”
Ive got no goddam problem with that whatsoever Pedro. Thing is that you dont know thats not what he said. We dont have a quote of him, just a report saying someone nearby heard Webb saying he “wanted to see his son brought back home,” a sentiment which is basically echoed in your hypothetical. The witness doesnt say whether or not Webb said “He’s doing well” or whatever (I imagine he probably did) but the point is that to your hypothetical response, which I’m assuming you dont have a problem with, the President still would have responded to “hope to have him home soon” with “I didnt ask you that, asshole, I asked you how he’s doing,” since he no doubt sees any potential correlation between his (the presidents) policies and the wellbeing of Mr. Webb’s son as an affront.
Quaker, where does ’safely’ come into play? Give me a break. Who the hell doesn’t want their kids to come back safely from a war? That’s a given.
If you’re invited into somebody’s home and they ask, “How are you?” you don’t respond by saying, “I hate the color you’ve painted the walls.” There’s a time and place to say certain things.
Quaker, where does ’safely’ come into play? Give me a break. Who the hell doesn’t want their kids to come back safely from a war? That’s a given.
My point exactly. Webb’s comment was one you would expect from anyone who has a family member overseas, in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter.
If you’re invited into somebody’s home and they ask, “How are you?” you don’t respond by saying, “I hate the color you’ve painted the walls.” There’s a time and place to say certain things.
So you’re saying this was a purely social event? No politics at all?
Well, that’s very different. Shame on you, Mr. Webb! If you couldn’t give a pleasant answer to your nice host, you should have changed to subject and talked about the weather or something!
Really Jay, would it have been difficult for Mr. Bush to say something like, “That’s my hope too,” or just blow it off? No, instead he’s got to pull rank and snipe, “That’s not what I asked you!”
Alternative answer:
Where does “safely” come in to play?
I admit I’m going out on a limb to suppose that Mr. Webb would like to see his son come home without injury.
Washington Post has more now…
At a recent White House reception for freshman members of Congress, Virginia’s newest senator tried to avoid President Bush. Democrat James Webb declined to stand in a presidential receiving line or to have his picture taken with the man he had often criticized on the stump this fall. But it wasn’t long before Bush found him.
“How’s your boy?” Bush asked, referring to Webb’s son, a Marine serving in Iraq.
“I’d like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President,” Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.
“That’s not what I asked you,” Bush said. “How’s your boy?”
“That’s between me and my boy, Mr. President,” Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.
…Okay I’ll say it, thats a little bit rude then. I mean I dont doubt that he sincerely opposes the president as much as I do and would even go so far as to say that the whole “how’s your boy” thing was as heartfelt as a headache, but still thats a bit rude for a guest to say.
Rex in your usual liberal fashion you expect me to allow you to determine what Webb said, but then assume the reporting of bush’s statement is absolutely spot on….
Priceless…
I, as a registered republican, refer you to my post above, dick.
michael,
“I doubt it, because I think he [Webb]’s smart enough to see the difference between necessary action and whatever the hell is going on in Iraq.”
So its OK for Webb’s kid to get out of serving (withdraw from iraq) because Webb disagrees with the particular action (bi-partisan approved war in Iraq). Howeve, if Webb agrees with a political action, then all must serve – even if the individuals disagree? Do only the Webbs get a pass on service or do all volunteers get to vote on what they want and don’t want to do? is that how the Dems are gonna do it?
Also, pedro, I didnt do that at all, was just saying since we had at the time only the one source that would only quote (imprecisely) the president and only summarize the part of Allen’s response that is relevant to the president’s retort, it would be somewhat jackass to attack Allen for speaking when you dont know what he said. However you, in your typical neo-con fashion, expect me to allow you to determine what Webb said, and then assume that Bush’s statement isn’t just perfectly quoted but entirely deserved, devoid of any precise context….
Priceless…
Also you’re an ass. Please go away.
Has the younger Webb deserted?
“I want my son to come home” does not equal “I’m giving my son my blessing to abandon his post”.
oh, for God’s sake, Dugger. Parse, parse, parse.
Can’t we all just admit that, if the story is true, and what was reported to have been said was actually said, both of them were being dicks?
Rex
We can only go by the Hill’s account. Neither Bush nor the Pres has confirmed, but OW is crowing about the dumb evil Bush etc per this incident. And in that it sure sounds like Webb was reflexively nasty. And no again. Its fine for a dad to be concerned. Thats one thing. Its another to pretend somehow that Bush isn’t president, that that office doesn’t deserve respect, that war approval wasn’t bi-partisan, that his son knew and HE knew the risks of volunteering – up front, and part of the near impossible job of the presdiency is sending people in harm’s way. Webb can’t be ignorant of those concerns. SO why be confrontational? Given the occasion – it was divisive.
I served a long time and obeyed orders from among others, Jimmy Carter – who, as you might suspect, I don’t agree with. Carter had a hard job to do and the office and man deserved basic respect. Same as Bush – especially from the likes of Webb.
Michael, No but its being said here that it was in effect good for Webb to be rude to Bush because he wants his son home and by inference doesn’t like the war in iraq – which his Senate compatriots approved. Well, my question is: doesn’t Webbs kid have an obligation to honor his commitment? Don’t all soldiers? Shouldn’t Senator-elect Webb know that? Why make it personal. All Pres’s send people in harms way. If big Webb doesn’t understand and support that concept, he’s not fit for office. Or does he plan on voting for individual options for soldiers. Cause at some point, he will vote to send somebody in harms way. I betcha he already has done that in some capacity.
And need I say how wholly inappropriate and un-senator like the ’slug’ remark was. Your senator wants to slug the Pres of the US. Congratulations.
ditto dugger….I took orders from clinton for most of my decade in service….
Its fine for a dad to be concerned. Thats one thing. Its another to pretend somehow that Bush isn’t president, that that office doesn’t deserve respect,
Now wait, which is it? Was Webb’s comment a personal affront to Bush? Or was it disrespectful to the President?
On one hand we have Jay complaining that Webb showed poor manners by bringing up unpleasantness to his host. On the other, we have Dugger saying that a Senator is being disrespectful to the Executive by talking politics when asked.
Either way, it’s plain that Mr. Bush doesn’t like it when people disagree with him.
Why make it personal.
Because the President asked. “How’s your boy?” is a personal question.
No, the decision whether to fight or not should not come down to the whims of individual soldiers.
I never suggested it did.
But the decision whether to fight or not ought to be made by someone who’s willing to listen to the facts. Who doesn’t keep saying “we’re going to win” without having the slightest idea what victory means.
And Webb made it personal (and the ’slug’ remark was a bit over the line, though not as bad as some of the things Republican Sen’s said about Clinton) because it’s not clear that ANYTHING is making it sink into GWB’s head that this war is going nowhere. And for Bush to flippantly ask “How’s your boy”…what kind of answer was he hoping for?
Bush’s decisions have led to the deaths of half a million Iraqis and three thousand Americans. For nothing.
People should treat him like the sickening failure that he is.
And need I say how wholly inappropriate and un-senator like the ’slug’ remark was.
Again with the civility? As I said, “Short memory.” Civility is commendable always. However, Mr. Webb breaks no new ground here. His pique is minor in comparison to recent examples by sitting members.
Perhaps our conservative friends would find it more acceptable if Mr. Webb had simply snapped, “Go f**k yourself!”
That sort of thing seems to win their approval.
*NOTHING BUSH DOES IS EVER WRONG
*ANYTHING SAID DONE CONTRADICTS OR PUTS DOWN BUSH IS HATEFUL
*WAR IS GOOD, CONSERVATISM IS THE ANSWER TO ALL THE WORLD’S PROBLEMS, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS INFALLIBLE AND ALL-WISE
*I MUST NOT HARM OR ARREST ANY MEMBER OF THE OCP CORPORATION (classified)
Seriously, what the Hell is wrong with you people? What does Bush have to do for you to criticise him – or even pause slightly before praising him?
What does Bush have to do for you to criticise him
It’s secret, NG, but I understand it has something to do with hammers. And puppies.
Wrong, Quaker. The puppies had vital information on al-Qaida, and required aggressive interrogation.
friendly question, Quaker. Webb turned rude. There’s no getting around that. Your just saying that the rudeness was justifiable because you agree with the ostensible reason.
On its face, with the less vague report, Webb was rude. Bush decided against taking the high road and was simply rude back. Hooray for childhood.
Honestly, myself, if Bush were to ask me how my boy was under these circumstances, I doubt I’d be pleasant. Regardless of my son’s volunteerism, the man who sent him into a poorly planned quagmire with no exit strategy and no clearly defined idea of “victory” is standing in front of me asking how he’s doing. I’d have less respect for Webb if he’d chosen fealty to the president over loyalty to his son.
Your just saying that the rudeness was justifiable because you agree with the ostensible reason.
Someone may be saying that, but it isn’t me. I’m the one saying that all you people who are coming down with a case of the vapors over Webb’s behavior seem to have convenient memories.
Oh, and what was your “friendly question”? Without punctuation, I get easily confused.
“Webb turned rude.”
No he fucking didn’t. How on earth can you construe his answer as rude? Simply because it irked the president? Tough shit, my friend.
If Bush asked the question as a genuinely concerned human being, Webb answered it as a genuinely concerned parent: “I wish he was coming home.”
The president’s response is telling: “That’s not what I asked you.” Please. How petty can you fucking get.
Bush is an asshole.
“…especially from the likes of Webb.”
I’m sorry, what? “The likes” of Webb? You mean the likes of an elected Senator and father with a son in Iraq?
You do realise he didn’t actually hit the President, don’t you? He just felt a wave of anger which might have led him to do so, if he was really stupid.
Webb, was a rude idiot and typifies the uncivil new Democrat. The suggestion of violence against the President of the US becasue he implements policies approved by Congress should be condemned by all adults on this site.
It is rather unfortunate for you that OW thought so little abou this that he has portrayed it as a ‘plus’ for progressives. Are any of you actually able to think for yourselves and see this is wrong – even if OW sees no wrong in the violence?
Dugger | Nov 30, 2006 9:13:11 AM
“It is rather unfortunate for you that OW thought so little abou this that he has portrayed it as a ‘plus’ for progressives. Are any of you actually able to think for yourselves and see this is wrong – even if OW sees no wrong in the violence?”
I liked it better when you were in a shocked, quiet mood after the Republicans had their asses handed to them. You’re SO full of shit.
Blahhhhhhhhhh, blahhhh, blahhh, blahhh blzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Webb, was a rude idiot and typifies the uncivil new Democrat.
How true. The civil, decent thing to do would have been to gently suggest that if Bush were to come to Webb’s jurisdiction, “he’d better bring a bodyguard”, as popular Republican Jesse Helms suggested of Clinton.
Or, for true manners and decorum, maybe a simple “go fuck yourself” on the Senate floor. Now that’s reasoned debate.
Jim Webb answered Bush’s question, but not to Bush’s liking. Bush snapped back.
How is the first of these ruder than the second? Tell me. Convince me that you’d think the same thing if Webb and Bush swapped places.
Marshall Applewhite is weeping.
Hey, I’m all for the “go fuck yourself” option. This is America. We don’t have to bow and scrape before our president.
Someone should remind “free thinker” dugger.
Christ there’s a lot of false equivalency going around here.
1.)All presidents put men in harm’s way.
Yeah, but Bush CHOSE this war. He started it, despite dubious intel and in direct violation of international law, and that makes a huge difference.
2.)Both men were rude.
Yeah, but only one has a son in a combat zone and only one has steadfastly refused to consider putting an end to his pet fiasco no matter how many die for it.
3.)democratic incivility…
Democratic “incivility” doesn’t hold a smoldering matchstick to Republican achievements during the past 6 years. Really, either you’re clinically insane, been in a persistent vegetative state, or are hiding a giant sh*t eating grin to assert that the Dems aren’t living up to their “civil” obligations as politicians.
Sure. Ann Coulter can be rude to Mike Moore and vice versa and I don’t care. Webb is a Senator elect and Bush is President. That makes a whole heap of difference. Webb was a rude jerk and his suggestion of violence against the president of the US deserves condemnation by decent people everywhere.
Plus Navy records indicate 43 Americans, men and women wih families and chidlren, died in combat in 1987 and 1988 – when Webb himself was Sec Navy.
How about that children? Happy with that. Is Webb a grade A hypocrite of the worst kind or what? OK for those men and women to die under him, but when he’s in the opposition party he’s all high and mighty. Grade A frappin 100% bullsh*t! The man is a rude hypocrite and needs to apologize to the Pres and the American people. All of those deaths under his reign. Has he no shame!
You’re an idiot Dugger. A total idiot. You have no idea what Webb’s personal feelings are about the men who died during his tenure. No idea whatsoever. You also have no idea how Webb responded to the parents of those sailors or others whose children were serving under him. You’re a hack for suggesting that you do.
You’re an idiot for thinking that people have to play nice with the president, especially after the president has been deliberately provocative:
“That’s not what I asked you”
Come on. Webb answered the question as the parent of a service person overseas and Bush repsonded like a petulant child.
Webb is a Senator elect and Bush is President.
Patrick Leahy is a sitting Senator. Dick Cheney is the Vice-President and President of the Senate.
Were you as deeply concerned about civility after the well-documented exchange between those two gentlemen?
Not that I recall, but sometimes my memory fails me.
yea there was a little difference quacker…
one was a question asked out of kindness and concern (before anyone spouts off about how bush “doesn’t care”, please see Paul (framones) diatribe above), and the other was an uncivil response to an uncivil comment.
Right, Peed’. It’s all about civility. Back then, there was a noticable lack of concern for such niceties.
Now, there are tender souls everywhere who are deeply troubled by Mr. Webb’s impolite behavior.
a well respect book once said, and you, if you are in fact Quaker might remember it, “you reap what you shall sow”…and that pretty much sums up the cheney/lehey debacle and the reason no one was quite as concerned about the VEEPS “bad behaviour” (look how I spelled it Nimrod!)
“you reap what you shall sow”…and that pretty much sums up the cheney/lehey debacle
I’ll set aside that you have bungled scripture. I’m guessing that you think this does NOT apply to the Bush/Webb bout?
sorry quacker, I am an agnostic, so my biblical skills are lacking….
but yes, if you refer to the post about 3 up, bush asked a kind question and received a rude reply.
and received a rude reply.
Just checking.
Rude: “I want them home.”
Not rude: “Go f**k yourself.”
Right?
are you being deliberately obtuse?
the president asked a nice, concerned question, while leahy and the veep were haggling over either one persons good or bad religious behaviour or halliburton.
See one was polite conversation, and the other began as a confrontation.
Get it yet?
See one was polite conversation, and the other began as a confrontation.
So Mr. Cheney has no obligation to civility when he’s involved in a confronatation. He may be excused any profanities or insults.
Mr. Webb, however, is obliged to be civil when he’s confronted with an impertinent question. That form of civility requires him not only to avoid profanity or insults, but to restrict his answer to only what was asked.
Now do I have your position right?
Here’s the Washington Post’s account of what Webb said:
What is it exactly that has everybody tut-tutting over Mr. Webb’s behavior? Which part is supposed to be the “uncivil” part?
Quaker,
Note the “echoing a campaign theme” and note Webb said ‘them’.
Exactly why is it OK for Webb to send young men and women to die and progressives love him but when Bush does it, its all horrible and its perfectly OK to threaten violence against the Pres. in response.
Why is the threat of violence OK? Anyboby??
Ok dug, quacker is being deliberately obtuse again.
asking “how’s your boy” is “impertinent” in quacker’s estimation…’nuff said
I will be amazed if quacker can post without using a question mark
What if Webb had answered the President directly the first time but said: “Well, my son is doing his duty but doesn’t understand why were over there.”
Or: “My son just wants to come home.”
Or: “My son tells me that our mission failing.”
In other words, what if Webb answered the question directly and the president still didn’t like the answer?
Would you still be whining about civility, as if Webb had a responsibility to shield the president from his son’s true feelings or how his son was really doing?
Actually, a very polite and civil response would have been, “Fine. How have your daughters been?”
Then Bush, because he wouldn’t want to be rude in response, would have to confess that they’ve been screwing around in Buenos Aires.
It might have led to an interesting discussion about who is actually making sacrifices and who isn’t.
Not relevant, Dugs.
I ask: “Which part is supposed to be the ‘rude’ part?”
Dugger, if you actually think Webb threatened Bush you’re a complete imbecile. If, as I believe you are doing (if only for the sake of my sanity), you’re simply pretending to think this, you have no shame.
WHICH IS IT
No nimrod I think it was like the scott ritter post a few topics back….all full of machismo and bravado, just a strutting rooster.
You know what they say…
all talk, no action
pedugger … circle jerking and laughing hysterically.
Bush starts an unnecessary conflict against international law and perhaps domestic, doesn’t press for proper support for the troops ala adequate body armor, signs off on stop loss orders to prevent soldiers from coming home after as many as four tours, doesn’t attend a single funeral, and ignores all strategic advice beyond “stay the course,” and I’m supposed to believe he asked about Webb’s son with heartfelt sincerity? Mr Champagne Unit of the Texas N.G.? The one who couldn’t be bothered to fulfill his obligations and cut out early while others went into combat to protect his oafish, coke addled heiny? That guy?
As for Webb’s turn as Sec. of the Navy, how is he responsible for sending people to their death’s? Did he start a war? Did he provoke an unnecessary confrontation and send others into harm’s way to clean up the mess?
Pedro, while commenting from the safety of his desk chair, calls Scott Ritter a strutting rooster.
Uh, yeah…
Nimmer,
Notice your immature insults ignored.
When a senator elect muses in front of public sources about slugging the Pres, I consider that a threat. But perhaps you are not familar with our customs.
I spent as much time in the Navy as Ritter did in the Marines…including two years forward deployed overseas….
And you bill?
YEAH, Bill.
I spent 12 years going to grade school and 4 years obtaining my degree.
And you, Bill?
LoL!
I have over 30 years of experience in not committing US troops to a war with no goal and no strategy.
And you, Bill?
Now would be the time to queue the “people join the military cause they are too poor and stupid to do anything else” lefties…
It is fun to watch and see how many of these “brave”liberals actually ever lifted a finger in service to this country though.
Oh, right, we’re supposed to be shamed into silence because WE WEREN’T THERE, MAN, because some guy on a website claimed he was in the Navy.
Yes, Pedro, only those who serve in the military can offer any opinions whatsoever. John Kerry appreciates your vote in 2004.
Unless said President is called Clinton.