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]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50933 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:23:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50933 Natter on, friend. We take note. Natter on, friend. We take note.

]]> By: dr pedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50932 dr pedro Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:35:45 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50932 I don't blame paul for being a little sensitive, his hypocrisy was the one laid out the most clearly. No quaker, I can disagree with him just fine, but I do it with facts or opinion not invective like: "Don't get pissy with me. You're the one who asked the question with such disdain. If you can login to post hereto ask stupid questions, you can also use fucking google first, right?" That is paul's version of supporting the troops. "Yea paul right after I get the freaking dust out of my shorts, let me sit down an access the massive T1 pipe I have in my makeshift quarters here in baghdad and google up some stuff for paul the ex-film grad student living the good life in LA-LA land..." I don’t blame paul for being a little sensitive, his hypocrisy was the one laid out the most clearly.

No quaker, I can disagree with him just fine, but I do it with facts or opinion not invective like:

“Don’t get pissy with me. You’re the one who asked the question with such disdain. If you can login to post hereto ask stupid questions, you can also use fucking google first, right?”

That is paul’s version of supporting the troops. “Yea paul right after I get the freaking dust out of my shorts, let me sit down an access the massive T1 pipe I have in my makeshift quarters here in baghdad and google up some stuff for paul the ex-film grad student living the good life in LA-LA land…”

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50931 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:17:04 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50931 Take note of Peedro's words. They'll become memorable the next time he disagrees with Smith. Take note of Peedro’s words. They’ll become memorable the next time he disagrees with Smith.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50930 frameone Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:56:19 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50930 Go fuck yourself pedro. Go fuck yourself pedro.

]]> By: dr pedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50929 dr pedro Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:48:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50929 yea thanks dkel....I think your honest opinion really exposed the mindset of a lot of the denizens here. The hypocrisy of the american liberal is legion.... yea thanks dkel….I think your honest opinion really exposed the mindset of a lot of the denizens here. The hypocrisy of the american liberal is legion….

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50928 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:24:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50928 Hooray for Smith! Visit again. Hooray for Smith! Visit again.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50927 frameone Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:12:59 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50927 Dkelsmith, no apology is necessary. Not a problem at all. My apologies for being a little overly aggressive with you myself. I can get stuck in one gear around here arguing with the trolls and often fail to recognize sincerity when I see it. Be well, be safe. Dkelsmith, no apology is necessary. Not a problem at all. My apologies for being a little overly aggressive with you myself. I can get stuck in one gear around here arguing with the trolls and often fail to recognize sincerity when I see it. Be well, be safe.

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50926 Wilbur Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:23:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50926 Godspeed, Dkelsmith. I may not agree with everything you say, but you are a class act. Godspeed, Dkelsmith. I may not agree with everything you say, but you are a class act.

]]> By: Dkelsmith http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50925 Dkelsmith Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:35:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50925 Hey everybody, I apologize for my demeanor last night. A special apology to Frameone, I know that you all are not the problem with what is going on. This situation is frustrating for everyone. I was physically tired, yet over caffeinated and in a pissy mood. My remarks to Frameone were out of line. Hey everybody,

I apologize for my demeanor last night. A special apology to Frameone, I know that you all are not the problem with what is going on. This situation is frustrating for everyone. I was physically tired, yet over caffeinated and in a pissy mood. My remarks to Frameone were out of line.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50924 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:52:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50924 Peedro, if anyone is diverting, it is you. "The Iraquis only understand force"? You have been challenged by more than one poster to explain we can bring the fruits of democracy to a people who "only understand force." But instead of answering you give us name-calling and accusations. Answer or divert. Your choice. Peedro, if anyone is diverting, it is you.

“The Iraquis only understand force”?

You have been challenged by more than one poster to explain we can bring the fruits of democracy to a people who “only understand force.”

But instead of answering you give us name-calling and accusations.

Answer or divert. Your choice.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50923 Oliver Willis Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:30:27 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50923 Look, I know I will always get slammed for this, but why say in a paragraph what you can say in one line? This ain't english class, no extra grades for flowery stuff. I answered Dkel's ideas with what I think makes them unworkable. Why is there this idea, especially on the conservative side, that if someone gives an answer you disagree with they didn't actually answer the question? Iraq is screwed up, anything more is putting lipstick on a pig. The options aren't pretty, but I'd like the one where we can still fight terror and have live soldiers like Dkel around. Look, I know I will always get slammed for this, but why say in a paragraph what you can say in one line? This ain’t english class, no extra grades for flowery stuff. I answered Dkel’s ideas with what I think makes them unworkable. Why is there this idea, especially on the conservative side, that if someone gives an answer you disagree with they didn’t actually answer the question?

Iraq is screwed up, anything more is putting lipstick on a pig. The options aren’t pretty, but I’d like the one where we can still fight terror and have live soldiers like Dkel around.

]]> By: S http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50922 S Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:24:23 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50922 dr pedro | Nov 27, 2006 9:38:47 PM "typical cowardly liberal bullshit...divert,divert,divert..." In contrast, pedugger, to firing Donald Rumsfeld the day after the election? If that didn't demonstrate The Decider's belief in his team, I don't know what does. LoL! dr pedro | Nov 27, 2006 9:38:47 PM
“typical cowardly liberal bullshit…divert,divert,divert…”

In contrast, pedugger, to firing Donald Rumsfeld the day after the election? If that didn’t demonstrate The Decider’s belief in his team, I don’t know what does. LoL!

]]> By: dr pedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50921 dr pedro Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:38:47 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50921 you know diamond le idiot...your experience is as worthless as tits on a boar... What IS your understanding of the ultimate motivating factor for the Iraq Dia? Please enlighten us? typical cowardly liberal bullshit...divert,divert,divert... you know diamond le idiot…your experience is as worthless as tits on a boar…

What IS your understanding of the ultimate motivating factor for the Iraq Dia? Please enlighten us?

typical cowardly liberal bullshit…divert,divert,divert…

]]> By: Diamond LeGrande http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50920 Diamond LeGrande Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:46:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50920 <i>"But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force ..."</i> My experience is that those who say that such-and-such (Iraqis, Arabs, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, Soviets, Japanese) only understand force is someone who he himself only understands force. “But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force …”

My experience is that those who say that such-and-such (Iraqis, Arabs, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, Soviets, Japanese) only understand force is someone who he himself only understands force.

]]> By: Diamond LeGrande http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50919 Diamond LeGrande Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:37:36 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50919 <i>Bi Laden wants us in Iraq? Do you know where the capital of the caliphate is?</i> Why yes. And we got rid of Saddam Hussein for him, the previous occupier, and our very presence ticks everyone off. And yes, he wants us in Iraq, much like he wants us in Afghanistan. We help his recruiting, and give everyone a short-term goal, which is attacking us. Exactly like their attitude towards the Soviets in Afghanistan. For someone who keeps talking about the caliphate, your sense of his actual plans is pretty limited. Bi Laden wants us in Iraq?

Do you know where the capital of the caliphate is?

Why yes. And we got rid of Saddam Hussein for him, the previous occupier, and our very presence ticks everyone off. And yes, he wants us in Iraq, much like he wants us in Afghanistan. We help his recruiting, and give everyone a short-term goal, which is attacking us.

Exactly like their attitude towards the Soviets in Afghanistan. For someone who keeps talking about the caliphate, your sense of his actual plans is pretty limited.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50918 frameone Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:05:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50918 "But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force ..." That's awesome, pedro. Just awesome. We're going to free those fuckers if we have to kill every last one of them ... “But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force …”

That’s awesome, pedro. Just awesome. We’re going to free those fuckers if we have to kill every last one of them …

]]> By: S http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50917 S Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:49:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50917 dr pedro | Nov 27, 2006 7:36:46 PM "Unfortunately we thought we would be greeted as bringers of liberty, and so we didn't go in like a conquering army. But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force." 'bringers of liberty'? pedugger, everyone who isn't you wonders when explanations of why the invasion has been a disaster don't have to be peppered with "unfortunately". dr pedro | Nov 27, 2006 7:36:46 PM
“Unfortunately we thought we would be greeted as bringers of liberty, and so we didn’t go in like a conquering army. But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force.”

‘bringers of liberty’?

pedugger, everyone who isn’t you wonders when explanations of why the invasion has been a disaster don’t have to be peppered with “unfortunately”.

]]> By: dr pedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50916 dr pedro Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:36:46 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50916 Yea oliver great response, Dkel, this is your democrat party. The man is an infantry officer ON THE GROUND in Iraq, and you dismiss his plan with one line, glib answers? Yea, well, we have ALL heard the the liberals lying about "supporting the troops", but rarely has the lie been this well documented... Personally, I agree with Dkel. Unfortunately we thought we would be greeted as bringers of liberty, and so we didn't go in like a conquering army. But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force...and to quote dennis miller" ...we have a hell of a long fuse, but at the end of it is a big, f'ing bomb!" Yea oliver great response, Dkel, this is your democrat party.

The man is an infantry officer ON THE GROUND in Iraq, and you dismiss his plan with one line, glib answers?

Yea, well, we have ALL heard the the liberals lying about “supporting the troops”, but rarely has the lie been this well documented…

Personally, I agree with Dkel. Unfortunately we thought we would be greeted as bringers of liberty, and so we didn’t go in like a conquering army. But unfortunately the Iraqis only understand force…and to quote dennis miller” …we have a hell of a long fuse, but at the end of it is a big, f’ing bomb!”

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/26/the-folly-of-iraq/#comment-50915 frameone Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:13:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3243#comment-50915 "....my perspective of how "WE" are doing over here is a lot different than yours......obviously." Really? Things seem pretty fucked up from where I am. Are you saying it's better being there? I tend to agree with Oliver. Every single one of your policy suggestions would probably make it easier for US troops to operate in Iraq while esnuring that you will face ever increasing violence for as long as you are there. If you think you are facing a hostile, resentful population now, can you imagine what you'll be facing after you do what you'll need to do to disarm the entire Iraqi population, just to take one of your points? Again, there is no military solution to the problems in Iraq. It's time to get out. “….my perspective of how “WE” are doing over here is a lot different than yours……obviously.”

Really? Things seem pretty fucked up from where I am. Are you saying it’s better being there?

I tend to agree with Oliver.

Every single one of your policy suggestions would probably make it easier for US troops to operate in Iraq while esnuring that you will face ever increasing violence for as long as you are there.

If you think you are facing a hostile, resentful population now, can you imagine what you’ll be facing after you do what you’ll need to do to disarm the entire Iraqi population, just to take one of your points?

Again, there is no military solution to the problems in Iraq. It’s time to get out.

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