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8 Responses to “An Honest Question From A James Carville Fan”

1. blatherskite says:

   November 16, 2006 at 12:20 am

   Also, look at the atrophy of the Democratic Party under Clinton and Carville.

   I like Clinton. I even like Carville. But if it were left up to them, the Democratic Party as a whole — not just as an appendage of Clinton — would be on the same downward spiral they set it on.

   Carville really should just shut up. When I wonder “do these people think politics is just a game with no real-world consequences?” I look at him married to that bilge-spewer Matalin and think “Yes they do, and there’s the proof.”

   If it wasn’t just a game for him, he couldn’t abide her views and her sliming of Dems.

   So, STFU Carville.
2. Jay says:

   November 16, 2006 at 8:52 am

   Carville really should just shut up. When I wonder “do these people think politics is just a game with no real-world consequences?” I look at him married to that bilge-spewer Matalin and think “Yes they do, and there’s the proof.”

   If it wasn’t just a game for him, he couldn’t abide her views and her sliming of Dems.

   This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. What is with people like you and Factcheck that believe you can only be friends with people who think the same politically?

   Half of the people in Congress call each other all sorts of names and then go and have lunch together afterwards and vacation together.

   Sheesh. Break out of the cocoon. There is a world out there.

   Oliver, I don’t know if this counts, but Carville was instrumental in getting Ehud Barak elected in Israel.
3. Dr. Squid says:

   November 16, 2006 at 11:17 am

   Carville’s sample size in national elections is pretty small. 0 for 2 when Clinton isn’t there? Yawn.

   Now Bob Shrum’s 0 for 8 – that’s a more damning number.

   As for Carville’s wanting Zell to be veep candidate in 2000…

   Back in 2000, Zell, instead of being the kook that yelled up a storm at the GOP convention in ‘04, was a somewhat cranky but rather popular former governor and newly appointed Senator whose main achievement was getting any Georgian kid with a B average into college.

   I think they might have actually won it if they got what Carville wanted. Gore/Miller win Arkansas, Tennessee, maybe Georgia, and get enough votes out of Florida to put it away. Maybe they only lose Iowa in return.

   My proof? Borat. Face it – there were enough people who wouldn’t vote for the Jewish guy – ever – to tip the election, and Borat shows a sample of them off.

   It does make me wonder – did Zell’s public fit in ‘04 stem from a perceived broken promise that he would be running mate in 2000?
4. BD says:

   November 16, 2006 at 11:51 am

   Jay, while I agree with you somewhat in principle, this isn’t about “being friends” with somebody, it’s about “being married” to somebody with a fundamentally different belief system. You will hear time and time again about how hard it is to make interfaith marriages work; considering the zeal that both Carville and Matalin have for their political ideologies, I’d consider this akin.

   Maybe they’re very, very much in love, the sort of legendary amour that the Renaissance poets wrote about. That might be the only way I’d be wiling to tolerate being married to somebody who insisted that I wanted terrorists to come into America and kill my friends and family.
5. Duros62 says:

   November 16, 2006 at 2:12 pm

   not just as an appendage of Clinton

   bwahahahaha!
6. blatherskite says:

   November 16, 2006 at 2:24 pm

   BD has it pretty right. But I’m thinking it’s not even a “fundamentally different belief system.” They have the same belief system: that politics is a surface game and that whether one wins or loses makes just as much difference to this country as whether the Redskins or the Jets win a game. It’s still just all a game. The real-world consequences are irrelevant.

   It’s the same attitude that makes Rush Limbaugh say he’s glad the Republicans lost cause he was just “carrying water” for them.

   Who are people who can check their beliefs at the door? Hacks and flacks. There’s always a game next weekend, there’s always another season, there’s always another client to work for.

   Well, tell that to all the dead US Servicepeople and Iraqis. Tell that to people whose retirement is threatened by these flacks arguing oh-so-
   cleverly to win this season’s game.

   Being civil with friends and acquaintances of a different political stripe is one thing. Checking your purported beliefs at the door of your own home is another.

   I sure as hell couldn’t shack up with a person who routinely called me a terrorist-enabler. That he can says a lot about how he plays the game of politics.

   It’s all just a game.
7. Agjobs says:

   November 16, 2006 at 2:57 pm

   Carville has his moments, but this is not one of them. His 15 minutes were up a long time ago. He is trying to position himself as being relevant and he is not probably in the hopes of regaining a position with Hillary. As a consultant he wanted more money sent his way inside the beltway. What he has failed to understand is that the rest of the country has left him behind and won an election without his beloved South playing any significant role. Dean is building a lasting base which is what Democrats should have been doing back in the 90’s. If we had we might have saved the country from the mess that Bush and his not so “Permanent Majority” have gotten us into.
8. Oliver says:

   November 16, 2006 at 4:11 pm

   To chime in, my best friend and his wife are moderate Republicans. He, because of fiscal issues (he’s a doctor), she because of social ones. We get along just fine. They know I’m a crazy Democrat who hates Bush, I know they support a crazy idea of how the world should work (they both think Bush is a joke, however). We get along fine, I’m buying them gifts for their soon to be born daughter.