Comments on: The Fun To Come? http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48661 Nimrod Gently Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:27:25 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48661 By the way, I wouldn't consider splitting the senate to be falling short, myself. It looks like there'll be just one guy in it, which'll change a lot of things whether he's got an R or a D next to his name. By the way, I wouldn’t consider splitting the senate to be falling short, myself. It looks like there’ll be just one guy in it, which’ll change a lot of things whether he’s got an R or a D next to his name.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48660 Quaker in a Basement Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:59:32 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48660 Chickens. Eggs. You know? Chickens. Eggs.

You know?

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48659 Nimrod Gently Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:23:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48659 <i>the left's 'hate Bush' obsessive compulsion</i> You genuinely believe that's all it is, don't you? You just cannot comprehend even the possibility that this guy might simply be a bad President. the left’s ‘hate Bush’ obsessive compulsion

You genuinely believe that’s all it is, don’t you? You just cannot comprehend even the possibility that this guy might simply be a bad President.

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48658 Dugger Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:16:59 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48658 Plus, practically most of the new Democrats being elected are moderate or conservative (for Democrats) and aren't going to put up with the left's 'hate Bush' obsessive compulsion. And it looks like the Dems will fall short in the Senate. Let me say it now: Thank you John Kerry!!!!! Plus, practically most of the new Democrats being elected are moderate or conservative (for Democrats) and aren’t going to put up with the left’s ‘hate Bush’ obsessive compulsion. And it looks like the Dems will fall short in the Senate. Let me say it now: Thank you John Kerry!!!!!

]]> By: Jay Tea http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48657 Jay Tea Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:44:45 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48657 This raises some interesting Constitutional issues, especially chuck's. The principle is that the branches of government check and balance each other, but in very circumscribed fashion. The power of the Congress is not in enforcing laws, but in impeachment and the budget. They could start cutting funding to the White House and other executive divisions, which would be a truly fascinating tactic to see them employ. But as far as subpoenaing a sitting president or vice president... I think that would be a violation of the Separation of Powers. It would be granting the Congress a power over the Executive above and beyond what they already hold by merit of the Constitution. As far as the House removing Cheney... as amusing as I think that might be, I don't think it could happen, either. The State of the Union is an event when both Houses of Congress meet in joint session; it just happens in the House chambers because they're bigger. And since the vice president is, Constitutionally, the President of the Senate, I think he has every right to be there. On the other hand, the Cabinet and the Supreme Court are NOT required to be there, so they could be excluded... This is actually kind of fun, seeing what sort of petty, petulant irritations one branch can inflict on the other two within the Constitution. As I said, the Congress holds the purse strings; what would happen if the Supreme Court found its clerk budget reduced to zero? Justices would actually have to research and write their own opinions... J. This raises some interesting Constitutional issues, especially chuck’s. The principle is that the branches of government check and balance each other, but in very circumscribed fashion. The power of the Congress is not in enforcing laws, but in impeachment and the budget.

They could start cutting funding to the White House and other executive divisions, which would be a truly fascinating tactic to see them employ. But as far as subpoenaing a sitting president or vice president… I think that would be a violation of the Separation of Powers. It would be granting the Congress a power over the Executive above and beyond what they already hold by merit of the Constitution.

As far as the House removing Cheney… as amusing as I think that might be, I don’t think it could happen, either. The State of the Union is an event when both Houses of Congress meet in joint session; it just happens in the House chambers because they’re bigger. And since the vice president is, Constitutionally, the President of the Senate, I think he has every right to be there.

On the other hand, the Cabinet and the Supreme Court are NOT required to be there, so they could be excluded…

This is actually kind of fun, seeing what sort of petty, petulant irritations one branch can inflict on the other two within the Constitution. As I said, the Congress holds the purse strings; what would happen if the Supreme Court found its clerk budget reduced to zero? Justices would actually have to research and write their own opinions…

J.

]]> By: chuck http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48656 chuck Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:04:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48656 Disobeying a subpoena from Congress is different than from a court. If memory serves me right, the House (in this case)can vote to find the violator in "contempt" of Congress and refer the matter to the Department of Justice for review. The DOJ can take action or not. What do you suppose the chances are that Generalisimo Gonzales is going to go after Dick? The other two actions the House could take would be hearings for impeachment or I believe censure. There is one slap in the face that the House could invoke that would be better than any of the other actions. The State of the Union address is given in the House. It is entirely up to the House leadership who gets to attend and who must leave if asked. I would love to see Cheney sit down all high and mighty only to have the Sargeant-at-Arms and the Capitol Police come down the aisle and remove Cheney. Disobeying a subpoena from Congress is different than from a court. If memory serves me right, the House (in this case)can vote to find the violator in “contempt” of Congress and refer the matter to the Department of Justice for review. The DOJ can take action or not. What do you suppose the chances are that Generalisimo Gonzales is going to go after Dick? The other two actions the House could take would be hearings for impeachment or I believe censure. There is one slap in the face that the House could invoke that would be better than any of the other actions. The State of the Union address is given in the House. It is entirely up to the House leadership who gets to attend and who must leave if asked. I would love to see Cheney sit down all high and mighty only to have the Sargeant-at-Arms and the Capitol Police come down the aisle and remove Cheney.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48655 midderpidge Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:32:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48655 Hell, Bush was even wired during the presidential debates. Hell, Bush was even wired during the presidential debates.

]]> By: Molly, NYC http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48654 Molly, NYC Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:28:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48654 <i>Virtually since 2001, these two have only faced a friendly Congress, friendly interviewers (Fox, Limbaugh); friendly, hand picked audiences to photo op in front of...and the list goes on.</i> Actually, Bush himself has never faced anything <b>but</b> . . . well, "friendly" is as good a word for it as any. He's never, ever got by just on his merits. If he did, he'd be selling insurance in Houston. Uh, if Cheney doesn't obey a subpeona, that's a criminal charge, no? Like with jail time and stuff? And President Loves-Watching-Others-Suffer (his boyhood Indian Guides name) trying not to show what a hoot he thinks Cheney is in an orange jumpsuit? (<i>Heh-heh-heh.</i>) Do you think we could get Congress to sell tickets? Virtually since 2001, these two have only faced a friendly Congress, friendly interviewers (Fox, Limbaugh); friendly, hand picked audiences to photo op in front of…and the list goes on.

Actually, Bush himself has never faced anything but . . . well, “friendly” is as good a word for it as any. He’s never, ever got by just on his merits. If he did, he’d be selling insurance in Houston.

Uh, if Cheney doesn’t obey a subpeona, that’s a criminal charge, no? Like with jail time and stuff? And President Loves-Watching-Others-Suffer (his boyhood Indian Guides name) trying not to show what a hoot he thinks Cheney is in an orange jumpsuit? (Heh-heh-heh.)

Do you think we could get Congress to sell tickets?

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48653 midderpidge Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:11:49 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48653 Who said they wouldn't subpeona everyone? Let's leave out the WhiteHouse cook. That satisfies that. Who said they wouldn’t subpeona everyone? Let’s leave out the WhiteHouse cook. That satisfies that.

]]> By: Rounds77 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48652 Rounds77 Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:08:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48652 It'll be interesting to see Bush/Cheney face up to a non-friendly Congress. Virtually since 2001, these two have only faced a friendly Congress, friendly interviewers (Fox, Limbaugh); friendly, hand picked audiences to photo op in front of...and the list goes on. An unfriendly ANYTHING may expose these men for the cowards they've been since day one. It’ll be interesting to see Bush/Cheney face up to a non-friendly Congress.

Virtually since 2001, these two have only faced a friendly Congress, friendly interviewers (Fox, Limbaugh); friendly, hand picked audiences to photo op in front of…and the list goes on.

An unfriendly ANYTHING may expose these men for the cowards they’ve been since day one.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48651 frameone Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:53:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48651 The immortal words of pedro: "I agree a strong response to something like that would be appropriate...if you were RIGHT!" Tell us agin who was right, pedro? The immortal words of pedro:

“I agree a strong response to something like that would be appropriate…if you were RIGHT!”

Tell us agin who was right, pedro?

]]> By: S http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48650 S Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:52:45 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48650 Wilbur | Nov 5, 2006 11:48:05 AM "pedrugger" Brilliant nickname, Wilbur! pedrugger, it is. Wilbur | Nov 5, 2006 11:48:05 AM
“pedrugger”

Brilliant nickname, Wilbur! pedrugger, it is.

]]> By: S http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48649 S Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:50:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48649 dr pedro | Nov 5, 2006 11:35:20 AM "by the way, you were right, almost no one mentioned kerry, although I guess I was right too, once he apologized the thing just went away. You aren't given your party very good advice I guess." Your posts are hilariously subdued these days, dr pedro. dr pedro | Nov 5, 2006 11:35:20 AM
“by the way, you were right, almost no one mentioned kerry, although I guess I was right too, once he apologized the thing just went away. You aren’t given your party very good advice I guess.”

Your posts are hilariously subdued these days, dr pedro.

]]> By: Wilbur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48648 Wilbur Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:48:05 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48648 <i>we will never know what Cheney's 'intention' was at the time because we cannot read minds.</i> Except in the case of John Kerry, weher we just <i>know</i> that his joke flub was a freudian slip that revealed his hidden feelings (so says pedrugger, not me) <i>once he apologized the thing just went away</i> I think you mean that once it was clear that the Republicans were viciously distorting and exploiting the incident it just went away. Unfortunately, Republican hackery just isn't news these days. It's a dog-bites-man story. we will never know what Cheney’s ‘intention’ was at the time because we cannot read minds.

Except in the case of John Kerry, weher we just know that his joke flub was a freudian slip that revealed his hidden feelings (so says pedrugger, not me)

once he apologized the thing just went away

I think you mean that once it was clear that the Republicans were viciously distorting and exploiting the incident it just went away. Unfortunately, Republican hackery just isn’t news these days. It’s a dog-bites-man story.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48647 Nimrod Gently Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:36:43 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48647 I thought you said he hadn't apologised at all. I thought you said he hadn’t apologised at all.

]]> By: dr pedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48646 dr pedro Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:35:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48646 Hey Ollie, you better get on the horn to the DNC, cause Rahm Emmanuel just got off MTP telling america that the dems were NOT going to supoena everyone... by the way, you were right, almost no one mentioned kerry, although I guess I was right too, once he apologized the thing just went away. You aren't given your party very good advice I guess. Hey Ollie, you better get on the horn to the DNC, cause Rahm Emmanuel just got off MTP telling america that the dems were NOT going to supoena everyone…

by the way, you were right, almost no one mentioned kerry, although I guess I was right too, once he apologized the thing just went away. You aren’t given your party very good advice I guess.

]]> By: Chum http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48645 Chum Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:46:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48645 Move over liberal elitists, the reactionary elitists have arrived. Cheney was a CEO crook when he ran Halliburton and now he bends the law to his advantage to grow Executive (his) power. Once you place yourself above the law you become the law? Move over liberal elitists, the reactionary elitists have arrived.

Cheney was a CEO crook when he ran Halliburton and now he bends the law to his advantage to grow Executive (his) power.

Once you place yourself above the law you become the law?

]]> By: S http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48644 S Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:40:40 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48644 Makes no difference. Dugger would explain to America that regardless of evidence or whether Cheney broke the law or not, we will never know what Cheney's 'intention' was at the time because we cannot read minds. Makes no difference. Dugger would explain to America that regardless of evidence or whether Cheney broke the law or not, we will never know what Cheney’s ‘intention’ was at the time because we cannot read minds.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/11/05/the-fun-to-come/#comment-48643 Nimrod Gently Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:28:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=3074#comment-48643 Please let this happen. Please let this happen.

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