Comments on: Lakoff’s Shell Game http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/27/lakoffs-shell-game/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Oliver http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/27/lakoffs-shell-game/#comment-47798 Oliver Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:16:42 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2996#comment-47798 Lakoff is a snake-oil salesman. Yeah, there are motivations and stuff behind words but it ain't the brilliant strategery folks keep selling it as. Also, Lakoff's recommendations for Democrats are HORRIBLE. Lakoff is a snake-oil salesman. Yeah, there are motivations and stuff behind words but it ain’t the brilliant strategery folks keep selling it as. Also, Lakoff’s recommendations for Democrats are HORRIBLE.

]]> By: Wellstone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/27/lakoffs-shell-game/#comment-47797 Wellstone Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:58:30 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2996#comment-47797 You ain't that stupid, dog. I own Dr. Lakoff's "Moral Politics" masterpiece, and am grateful he is on our side helping us to work through the stinking filthy swamp that is the modern Conservative-Republican mindset. You have to understand that people like Rove, Luntz and before him, the ratfucker himself, Rove's mentor Lee Atwater, have worked hard on message crafting with Conservative thinktanks for four generations. The GOP's daily talking points blast in the age of Bush is legendary, and enables FOX, Rush, Sean, and the rest of the Con Media machine game the media and distort events daily. Message is CRAFTED, Ollie, CRAFTED. You think "Stay the Course" is something the Bushistas thought up by themselves? It was a catchphrase that was focus-group tested, polled, and polished to a hard gleam before Bush ever said it. Lakoff sheds light, and helps us to understand Con lizard minds. For that he has my gratitude, because we will never defeat them decisively until we understand how they think. God help us. You ain’t that stupid, dog.

I own Dr. Lakoff’s “Moral Politics” masterpiece, and am grateful he is on our side helping us to work through the stinking filthy swamp that is the modern Conservative-Republican mindset.

You have to understand that people like Rove, Luntz and before him, the ratfucker himself, Rove’s mentor Lee Atwater, have worked hard on message crafting with Conservative thinktanks for four generations.

The GOP’s daily talking points blast in the age of Bush is legendary, and enables FOX, Rush, Sean, and the rest of the Con Media machine game the media and distort events daily.

Message is CRAFTED, Ollie, CRAFTED.

You think “Stay the Course” is something the Bushistas thought up by themselves? It was a catchphrase that was focus-group tested, polled, and polished to a hard gleam before Bush ever said it.

Lakoff sheds light, and helps us to understand Con lizard minds.

For that he has my gratitude, because we will never defeat them decisively until we understand how they think. God help us.

]]> By: Mike http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/27/lakoffs-shell-game/#comment-47796 Mike Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:02:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2996#comment-47796 Yes, there is no doubt that Lakoff does hyper-analyze and there probably are people who would consider a lot of it nothing but intellectual mumbo-jumbo. But his macro-view that language matters is an important point and that can often get lost in the his analytical linguistic style. I still find a lot of his points interesting. And, yes, there are an infinite number of examples in the blogosphere of hyper-analyzing irrelevant minutiae. Certainly something for everybody. Yes, there is no doubt that Lakoff does hyper-analyze and there probably are people who would consider a lot of it nothing but intellectual mumbo-jumbo. But his macro-view that language matters is an important point and that can often get lost in the his analytical linguistic style.

I still find a lot of his points interesting.

And, yes, there are an infinite number of examples in the blogosphere of hyper-analyzing irrelevant minutiae. Certainly something for everybody.

]]> By: Elayne Riggs http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/27/lakoffs-shell-game/#comment-47795 Elayne Riggs Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:36:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2996#comment-47795 It's not a matter of "thinking like this." It's a matter of hyper-analyzing every little word or phrase. You know, like many blogs do. It's intellectual masturbation. Lakoff would be right at home on many liberal (and perhaps a few conservative) blogs. It’s not a matter of “thinking like this.” It’s a matter of hyper-analyzing every little word or phrase. You know, like many blogs do. It’s intellectual masturbation. Lakoff would be right at home on many liberal (and perhaps a few conservative) blogs.

]]> By: Mike http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/27/lakoffs-shell-game/#comment-47794 Mike Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:32:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2996#comment-47794 "Why does the left always have to take the most basic things in the world and make 'em complex? "Stay the course" says we're stickin' around in Iraq doing the same crap we've been doing. Everyone thinks thats a dumbass thing to do." --------------------------- Lighten up, man. That's what he's saying. But he's a professor of linguistics, for god's sake, and he is writing it from a professorial perspective. While I don't always agree with everything Lakoff says, and at times he can seem to get overly analytical for my taste, he does offer an interesting perspective for those who wish to look at the impact of linguistics and framing of issues. There are plenty of people saying exactly what you are saying in the plain spoken, down to earth way we all appreciate. Just don't expect it from all the college professors. “Why does the left always have to take the most basic things in the world and make ‘em complex? “Stay the course” says we’re stickin’ around in Iraq doing the same crap we’ve been doing. Everyone thinks thats a dumbass thing to do.”
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Lighten up, man. That’s what he’s saying. But he’s a professor of linguistics, for god’s sake, and he is writing it from a professorial perspective.

While I don’t always agree with everything Lakoff says, and at times he can seem to get overly analytical for my taste, he does offer an interesting perspective for those who wish to look at the impact of linguistics and framing of issues. There are plenty of people saying exactly what you are saying in the plain spoken, down to earth way we all appreciate. Just don’t expect it from all the college professors.

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