Comments on: The Hume Defense http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: rnr http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46329 rnr Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:00:22 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46329 I have to agree with dugger. I've been arguing this point since people started whining about number of troops killed during War in Iraq. The service men/women in Iraq volunteered to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY. I have family members serving US in this War. It is a necessary evil. The deaths and violence suffered on our American Streets are sensless actc serving only the interests of criminals usually due to the violence associated with drugs. War casualities do NOT affect my SOUL the way the disgusting culture of our very own neighborhoods here in the US do. If we as a country got as fired-up over these homocides--as we do casualties of war...maybe the violence would decrease. I have to agree with dugger. I’ve been arguing this point since people started whining about number of troops killed during War in Iraq.

The service men/women in Iraq volunteered to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY. I have family members serving US in this War. It is a necessary evil.

The deaths and violence suffered on our American Streets are sensless actc serving only the interests of criminals usually due to the violence associated with drugs. War casualities do NOT affect my SOUL the way the disgusting culture of our very own neighborhoods here in the US do. If we as a country got as fired-up over these homocides–as we do casualties of war…maybe the violence would decrease.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46328 midderpidge Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:01:30 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46328 You keep failing to post those year by year numbers Dugger. Are you intentionally trying to mislead us about them? You keep failing to post those year by year numbers Dugger. Are you intentionally trying to mislead us about them?

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46327 Dugger Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:45:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46327 There's no indication that the cost in casualties will produce the desired result. As you succinctly put it in a different thread, "Who knows?" Truly, I don't know. But do I understand you to say the casualties would be OK if they produced the desired result? I was thinking, maybe wrongly, you were against any war or certainly any preemptive war. There’s no indication that the cost in casualties will produce the desired result. As you succinctly put it in a different thread, “Who knows?”

Truly, I don’t know. But do I understand you to say the casualties would be OK if they produced the desired result? I was thinking, maybe wrongly, you were against any war or certainly any preemptive war.

]]> By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46326 Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:55:39 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46326 "the saving of three times as many lives" Dugger's really scared to actually put up his numbers. What are you hiding, Dugger? “the saving of three times as many lives”

Dugger’s really scared to actually put up his numbers. What are you hiding, Dugger?

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46325 Quaker in a Basement Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:51:23 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46325 <em>And you do not feel that peace in the Mideast (as the Neocons envison), saving the Jewish state and the saving of three times as many lives as are being lost now doesn't even mitigate the circuumstances some? </em> There's no indication that the cost in casualties will produce the desired result. As you succinctly put it in a different thread, "Who knows?" And you do not feel that peace in the Mideast (as the Neocons envison), saving the Jewish state and the saving of three times as many lives as are being lost now doesn’t even mitigate the circuumstances some?

There’s no indication that the cost in casualties will produce the desired result. As you succinctly put it in a different thread, “Who knows?”

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46324 Dugger Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:29:33 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46324 But Quaker, you make an argument, do you not, from a position that any casualty is one too many. And you do not feel that peace in the Mideast (as the Neocons envison), saving the Jewish state and the saving of three times as many lives as are being lost now doesn't even mitigate the circuumstances some? I mean you might still disagree - these don't even mitigate? But Quaker, you make an argument, do you not, from a position that any casualty is one too many.
And you do not feel that peace in the Mideast (as the Neocons envison), saving the Jewish state and the saving of three times as many lives as are being lost now doesn’t even mitigate the circuumstances some? I mean you might still disagree – these don’t even mitigate?

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46323 Quaker in a Basement Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:14:34 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46323 <em>that the US casualty rate is much, much lower than any other 'war' in US history.</em> The quality of good news has fallen off in recent days. There isn't a context that mitigates the cost of 2,700 dead and tens of thousands of wounded Americans, and uncounted Iraqi casualties. How does adding "context" diminish the consequences of this misadventure? that the US casualty rate is much, much lower than any other ‘war’ in US history.

The quality of good news has fallen off in recent days.

There isn’t a context that mitigates the cost of 2,700 dead and tens of thousands of wounded Americans, and uncounted Iraqi casualties.

How does adding “context” diminish the consequences of this misadventure?

]]> By: Jody http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46322 Jody Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:31 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46322 I enjoy how he ducked the whole 'Iraqis are getting killed too' point. I enjoy how he ducked the whole ‘Iraqis are getting killed too’ point.

]]> By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46321 Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:50:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46321 "the death totals in Iraq also: show that the total and the rate for deaths was higher under Saddam" If these numbers are so clear, precisely what are they, and what's their source, Dugger? Otherwise, I assume you're just copying and pasting a chain email from your black helicopter mailing list. “the death totals in Iraq also: show that the total and the rate for deaths was higher under Saddam”

If these numbers are so clear, precisely what are they, and what’s their source, Dugger? Otherwise, I assume you’re just copying and pasting a chain email from your black helicopter mailing list.

]]> By: S http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46320 S Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:39:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46320 Dugger | Oct 13, 2006 8:06:52 AM "My point always has been that this site excitedly trumpets the gross death total in Iraq regularly as a political weapon against Bush. I consider that intellectual fraud ..." Is the ongoing, strong insurgency that is supposed to be "in its last throes, if you will" considered strategic fraud by the Decider administration? Dugger | Oct 13, 2006 8:06:52 AM
“My point always has been that this site excitedly trumpets the gross death total in Iraq regularly as a political weapon against Bush. I consider that intellectual fraud …”

Is the ongoing, strong insurgency that is supposed to be “in its last throes, if you will” considered strategic fraud by the Decider administration?

]]> By: Dugger http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46319 Dugger Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:06:52 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46319 I wouldn't take your bet Quaker. My point always has been that this site excitedly trumpets the gross death total in Iraq regularly as a political weapon against Bush. I consider that intellectual fraud and pointed out an example that suggests context is called for. Re my LA County example the gaggle here screams for context (rate, all deaths, etc). Fine then. Context the death totals in Iraq also: show that the total and the rate for deaths was higher under Saddam; that the US casualty rate is much, much lower than any other 'war' in US history. Context should go both ways. I wouldn’t take your bet Quaker. My point always has been that this site excitedly trumpets the gross death total in Iraq regularly as a political weapon against Bush. I consider that intellectual fraud and pointed out an example that suggests context is called for. Re my LA County example the gaggle here screams for context (rate, all deaths, etc). Fine then. Context the death totals in Iraq also: show that the total and the rate for deaths was higher under Saddam; that the US casualty rate is much, much lower than any other ‘war’ in US history.

Context should go both ways.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46318 Quaker in a Basement Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:45:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46318 But seriously, Dugs, how many of those deaths in L.A. county were <em>members of the military?</em> I bet more <em>soldiers</em> died in Iraq than in L.A. county. But seriously, Dugs, how many of those deaths in L.A. county were members of the military?

I bet more soldiers died in Iraq than in L.A. county.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46317 Quaker in a Basement Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:43:51 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46317 More people died from wild pig attacks in Canada than in East Jerkwater, Mississippi. Therefore, East Jerkwater is the place you want to be. More people died from wild pig attacks in Canada than in East Jerkwater, Mississippi.

Therefore, East Jerkwater is the place you want to be.

]]> By: Jody http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46316 Jody Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:45:08 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46316 Well put Rex. I forgot those Iraqis were probably brown, and therefore not worth Dugger's attention. I stand corrected. Well put Rex. I forgot those Iraqis were probably brown, and therefore not worth Dugger’s attention. I stand corrected.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46315 Duros62 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:32:52 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46315 I'm sorry, dugger is away from his desk right now. Presumably sucking the blood from some puppies. I’m sorry, dugger is away from his desk right now. Presumably sucking the blood from some puppies.

]]> By: Rex Mundane http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46314 Rex Mundane Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:50:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46314 Ah, but LordAlmighty Dugger's claim had nothing to do with Iraqi's, he was merely stating that more Americans die in LA County than in Iraq, not people in General. Therefore Iraqi civilian deaths dont matter, since Americans are obviously more important then them. Probably has to do with them being brown I suppose, what say you, LordAlmighty Dugger? Why can Iraqi civilian deaths be ingored for the more important truth of the American death total? Why are we more important than thay? Its not that I doubt your reasoning, understand, just that I wish for sufficient reason to silence this gay comminust satan worshipping heretic dog-rapist. Ah, but LordAlmighty Dugger’s claim had nothing to do with Iraqi’s, he was merely stating that more Americans die in LA County than in Iraq, not people in General. Therefore Iraqi civilian deaths dont matter, since Americans are obviously more important then them. Probably has to do with them being brown I suppose, what say you, LordAlmighty Dugger? Why can Iraqi civilian deaths be ingored for the more important truth of the American death total? Why are we more important than thay? Its not that I doubt your reasoning, understand, just that I wish for sufficient reason to silence this gay comminust satan worshipping heretic dog-rapist.

]]> By: Jody http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46313 Jody Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:40:33 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46313 Not reading this whole thread thru, but it's a safe bet that Dugger's "math" doesn't include the 650,000 IRAQIS that have died over there since the war began. So no, more people did not die in LA county. What a partisan tool. Not reading this whole thread thru, but it’s a safe bet that Dugger’s “math” doesn’t include the 650,000 IRAQIS that have died over there since the war began.

So no, more people did not die in LA county.

What a partisan tool.

]]> By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46312 Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:38:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46312 Did you know that men who have sex with a prostitute on the streets of Baltimore face a 25% of contracting syphilis? And yet, men who have sex with Dugger's wife have a 100% of getting it. Funny, isn't it? Did you know that men who have sex with a prostitute on the streets of Baltimore face a 25% of contracting syphilis? And yet, men who have sex with Dugger’s wife have a 100% of getting it. Funny, isn’t it?

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46311 frameone Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:19:49 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46311 And Dugger, do you remember way back when you told us that Dinesh D'Souza's publisher couldn't be trusted to accurately reflect the thesis of his new book in its press release? You're an <a href="http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2006/10/ratfink_to_rele.php" rel="nofollow"> idiot</a>. From the book itself: <blockquote>"In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11 ... I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world ... There is no way to restore the culture without winning the war on terror. Conversely, the only way to win the war on terror is to win the culture war. Thus we arrive at a sobering truth. In order to crush the Islamic radicals abroad, we must defeat the enemy at home." </blockquote> God you're an idiot. And Dugger, do you remember way back when you told us that Dinesh D’Souza’s publisher couldn’t be trusted to accurately reflect the thesis of his new book in its press release?

You’re an
idiot.

From the book itself:

“In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11 … I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world … There is no way to restore the culture without winning the war on terror. Conversely, the only way to win the war on terror is to win the culture war. Thus we arrive at a sobering truth. In order to crush the Islamic radicals abroad, we must defeat the enemy at home.”

God you’re an idiot.

]]> By: frameone http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/10/10/the-hume-defense/#comment-46310 frameone Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:12:20 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=2852#comment-46310 "More Americans die in America than have dies in Iraq. Therefore, Iraq is a safer place for Americans to be than America itself is." Oh, NOW I get it. “More Americans die in America than have dies in Iraq. Therefore, Iraq is a safer place for Americans to be than America itself is.”

Oh, NOW I get it.

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