Comments on: Reality Vs. Bush, 9/27/06

By: factcheck

factcheck — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:23:06 +0000

I figured, duros. Thanks.

By: Duros62

Duros62 — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0000

We run around saying “WE WON!!!” a lot.

By: factcheck

factcheck — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:42:26 +0000

ok, let’s just for a minute assume you have a valid premise nudnik.

How do we achieve “perceived US victory”?

By: Nudnik

Nudnik — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:08:49 +0000

And here’s some more reality for you (or vs. you). You seem to have left out the next sentence of the NIE quote. here it is for you: “Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.”

If we leave Iraq, as the Dums propose, this will undoubtedly be perceived as our failure and their victory, inspiring more jihadis. On the other hand, a perceived US vistory in Iraq will do tremendous damage to the jihad. So which are you choosing?

By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy

Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:19:32 +0000

At 1:12 today, Josh Marshall said almost the exact same thing based on the same article. That plagiarist!

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010004.php

By: Duros62

Duros62 — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:35:02 +0000

But (al-quida’s) hopes for fundamentally harming the United States now rest less on what it can do itself than on what it can trick, tempt, or goad us into doing.

Terrorist #1: Hey, Ahmed, I bet I can get all the Americans to take their shoes off at the airport.

Terrorist #2: I’ll take that bet!

By: S

Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:32 +0000

Cue Dugger

– Too early to tell if war is successful blah blah blah
– I believe The Decider is weely, weely trying to do the right thing blah blah blah
– Must demonstrate unwavering loyalty to the The Decider because, really, what do WE know blah blah blah
– The Decider, Rumsfeld and in-field military personnel doing their best to make smart strategic war decisions blah blah bl …

Sorry, dozed off.

By: Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy

Dr. Anatole Gavage-Huskanoy — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:23:09 +0000

James Fallows had a good article in last month’s Atlantic about this. The good side is that al-Qaeda has been fairly well disrupted. The bad news is that our leaders apparently have no understanding of the fact that our biggest setbacks have come from mistakes we’ve chosen to make: in particular, going to war in Iraq, and the constraints on liberty and compromises in our values we’ve instituted at home. Contrary to our President’s desperate claims, being “on the offense” often seriously fucks up our interests, especially when our interest is in winning people over.

“Because of al-Qaeda’s own mistakes, and because of the things the United States and its allies have done right, al-Qaeda’s ability to inflict direct damage in America or on Americans has been sharply reduced. Its successor groups in Europe, the Middle East, and elsewhere will continue to pose dangers. But its hopes for fundamentally harming the United States now rest less on what it can do itself than on what it can trick, tempt, or goad us into doing. Its destiny is no longer in its own hands… the real strategic threat from al-Qaeda is its ability to provoke us toward actions that hurt us in the long run.”

Conservatives — and most importantly, Bush — can’t seem to grasp this basic concept, and they’re putting us all at risk as a result.